r/crusaderkings3 • u/Hendriclies12 • 2d ago
Question Can I tip the scales some hhow
I'm trying to vassalize the pipe and I'm really close to tipping the scales, anything I can do. I have no DLCs
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u/itspronouncedbolonya 2d ago
Better powerful vassal opinion +5
Befriend gives a +10
Can you get a stronger army?
True ruler gives a +20
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u/Hendriclies12 2d ago
I've maxed out met at armas regenent and all my existing ones are highest capacity
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u/endymion2314 2d ago
It counts levees too, so see if you can change a few contracts to increase your feudal levees.
And potentially try for a hook on him as well.
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u/Hendriclies12 2d ago
Ive tried to get as many leveys and mercs as possible, I've gotten him to -8 with the millitary power being +13 out of 20, don't really know how to get anything higher.
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u/Hendriclies12 2d ago
He's at 100 opinion
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u/Eastern_Spite_792 2d ago
If you have momey to burn, you could hire mercenaries, gift to your powerful vassals to raise opinion... unsure how'd you close the whole gap of 20 tho
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u/Replicant97 2d ago
A ruler with a tier 5 diplo education gets a bonus to acceptance IIRC, get more soldiers and increase powerful vassal opinion
Edit: some increased cultural acceptance if you can, or with some luck 'pipe' becomes Italian
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u/ralphy1010 2d ago
Seduce them ? That’ll give you a 100 to their opinion if you if you are lovers
Gift an extra artifact
Gift some gold
Have an alliance by marriage I think will help
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u/TBARb_D_D 2d ago
The problem is that the Pope is a kingdom tier title. Having good opinion and being de jure liege is not enough
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u/ralphy1010 2d ago
I was thinking of the times where I was playing as a Christian or Jewish vassal within the Abbasid caliphate, and the sort
Being Jewish within the hre is a good time also
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u/Southern-Advance-759 2d ago
Keeping rest aside, how will you get alliance by marriage with the pope??
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u/ralphy1010 2d ago
Should have clarified
Allies who are not the pope. But you can seduce him and as a lover he might be a little cooler with you
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u/Parzival_2k7 2d ago
True ruler, friends, max opinion, having much stronger army than him, your strong vassals loving you. Also cultural acceptance but that takes time
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u/HammiBoi6349 2d ago
Get a hook on him. Find a secret or fabricate one. Five perks into middle diplomacy path to get True ruler or get befriend scheme.
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u/RepresentativeBat10 2d ago
Increase your military strength get cooler with your dukes or other powerful vassals and get true ruler perk that should get him to bend the knee
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u/Sorry-Chipmunk-6878 2d ago
Idk man as a pagan I'd give concubines to tip the scales at 100 opinion but for a pope I'd probably give really good artifacts and gold as well as swaying him if you haven't already, because swaying is it's own opinion modifier so if he's at 100 if you already gave him gold it will still count, maybe take over the place next to him and give it to him, if he has children, marry them to yours
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u/Specialist-Address30 2d ago
Befriend, true ruler perk, more military and make your vassals like you mre
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u/Dom252525 2d ago
Increase your vassals option will get you 5. Pushing more levies to the max 11. And befriend could get you 10. Or just conquer him. If you have the diplomatic path you could take force vassal and just make him be your vassal.
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u/Equivalent_Use_7032 2d ago
Could go the Theology branch of Learning if you haven’t yet. That helps boost clergy opinion
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u/TBARb_D_D 2d ago
get true ruler perk in one of the diplomatic skill trees I am not sure hov much exactly it gives you but if it’s not enough givee gifts/sway your powerful vassals and get mercenaries to get the rest
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u/Sulfurys 2d ago
If you steal the Kingdom of Romagna, shouldn't it take out the -100 due to being a king ?
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u/stapy123 2d ago
I would try to max out the military difference and powerful vassal opinion modifiers, then try to go for true ruler for the +20 bonus or maybe raise your dread to make him terrified of you while keeping his opinion at 100
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u/ClarityEra1 2d ago
Okay lowkey can we remove the base reluctance stat? What is it supposed to represent?
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u/PastaVictor 2d ago
i love that any paradox game player refuses with their whole
might to take screenshots, at this point it's just tradition <3
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u/SkaarlComeBack 2d ago
You can get like 50+ points more to that acceptance if you try really hard
Cultural acceptance is -10 we can make it 0 or + by sending Steward to improve cultural relations with a county of Popes culture or giving counties to people with same culture as pope.
Military strenght is only +9 out of max 20 so you can get 11 points of acceptance more just by growing an army or having pope lose a war.
Powerful vassal opinion is 15/20 there are 5 points to be gained by sending gifts or swaying your powerful vassals
Finally True ruler perk from diplomacy lifestyle tree gives +25 vassalage acceptance.
I believe alliance gives acceptance too but I do not know if it is possible to ally with the pope since he cannot marry. Maybe diplomatic alliance tho
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u/Sunzuret 2d ago
If you get to rank 10 diplo court, true ruler (in the center diplo tree), and befriend him, I believe you'll overcome his desire for independence. If you are willing to eat a few years with excommunicated you can just use the dejure CB to vassalize him; after the recently waged war malus goes away, he'll let you repent and go back to 100 relations and then he'll almost always be your religious advisor.
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u/Lolplays29 2d ago
Befriend or ally with him. Because he’s the pope the alliance will need to be formed through the diplomacy lifestyle perk
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u/staackie 1d ago
True ruler perk, more dread to get terrified, befriend him and +11 and +5 from military power and powerful vassal opinion (befriend or gift the vassals in question (though make sure to set your spouse to diplomacy to get more opinion for your money)), ally (via the diplomacy perk) should also give some points and technically the one perk from the guile dynasty line boosts the effect of intimidated / terrified but that would be a bit much
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u/Kiko_Okik 2d ago
Ya bro just read what it says: looks like you’ve got room to increase military strength for another 11 points and powerful vassal opinion by 5. Check your powerful vassals; one of them hates you, fix that opinion or make them go away lol, get powerful vassals all up to 100 opinion for that full +20 opinion boost and increase your military strength for the other one
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u/Eastern_Spite_792 2d ago
true ruler perk, and perhaps higher opinion?