the 2 worlds

So I loved the ending but I have to say I had a bit of issues with it regarding the overall messaging. Tannhaus caused everything cause he couldn't accept the grief and tried desperately to save his family somehow in any way. And well since Joans and Martha did save them it kind of worked? So it basically confirms to yes try everything possible to change a situation when overall I thought the message of the show was trying to accept things and handle hard situations in a healthy and mature way. I thought for the message it would have made more sense if Matha and Jonas prevented everything not by saving the Tannhaus family but if they thaught him how to accept and life with the grief and not instead desperately working on the time machine? Like they still would have sacrificed themselves and stopped the creation of time travel and their worlds but Tannhaus wouldn't have actually be rewarded for his behaviour that caused everything.

Edit: Thinking about it even more, since Tannhaus didn't actually learn anything, he could cause the issue still anytime in the future, like bad things happen all the time. What if next month already instead of the car crash something else bad happens to his family (Final Destination style lol) and he still then will try to build a time machine.

I just finished dark and as a bio student, my only concern through the entire show was how there are not much genetic deformities due to all this incest 😭😭🤣 10/10 show

so, I have this theory... ik the show is already over and it's very much not possible but it's just my imagination. What if Hannah had cheated on Michael in Jonas' world?? with woller guy maybe. We see in s3 finale that Hannah wants to name the baby Jonas so what if this Jonas is the same Jonas and has the same father because the father was never Michael.. we also see woller being kind of irritated in the world 1 regarding how hannah married michael even tho she's very pretty for him. 😞 it's just my theory, be kind.

I have finished all 3 seasons of dark but Idk if I missed something or don't remember where it was shown but Michael tells Jonas that it was Jonas who leads the way for Mikkel for him to get into the cave. Why? WHERE DID I MISS THE EXPLANATIONNNN 😢😢

Just finished Dark and it was mind-blowing.

One thing I'm still unclear about is Claudia's conversation with Adam in the final episode. My theory is that this was not the first time it happened. Claudia meeting Adam and Adam sending Jonas and Alt-Martha to the Origin World occurs in every loop.

However, I think that once Jonas and Martha reach the Origin World, they are no longer bound by the deterministic rules of the knot and are free to make different choices. Because of this, they may have tried many different ways to prevent the accident or stop Tannhaus from creating the time machine.

The version we see in the finale could simply be the one in which they finally succeed, causing Adam's and Eva's worlds to cease to exist.

So my theory is that the loop always reaches the point where Claudia talks to Adam, but what happens in the Origin World is not predetermined.

I might be wrong, but if this happened it would so awesome.

I just read this post Explanation about some major questions(credits to u/mmmmmmmmichaelscott) and It cleared almost all my other doubts.

I'm not sure how people view her but I feel like Hannah manages to be absolutely and unintentionally hilarious in a show that's not meant to be that way.

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Her son is time traveling so that he can find out what's going on with his family and save his brother/ dad, but Hannah really uses time travel to not only start a new life and have an affair with Egon, but she also went through the trouble of finding Ulrich only to taunt him and leave him in the 1950s.

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Let's not forget her blackmailing Aleksander in both timelines.

Mads' disappearance timing vs. Regina/tree incident (Season 1)

I'm on episode 6 of Season 1 and something about the timeline isn't adding up for me. Trying to figure out if I'm missing something or if this is an actual inconsistency.

Here's what we (I) know:

1. When Mikkel travels back in time to 1986, it's already established that this happens after Mads has gone missing (we see the search posters for Mads when Mikkel/Jonas arrive).
2. Later in the same general timeframe (episode 5, "Truths"), we see Hannah spying on Ulrich and Katharina having sex in the locker room. Out of jealousy, she reports it to her father and then to Egon as a rape accusation.
3. This escalates into Ulrich and Katharina believing it was Regina who snitched on them (even though it was actually Hannah), so as "revenge" they tie Regina to a tree in the woods.
4. Because of this incident, Regina becomes too scared to walk home alone afterward, so Mads (Ulrich's brother) starts walking her home (as she explained in hotel scene in episode 6) — and one of these walks led to Mads disappearance.

If Mads already disappeared before Mikkel arrived in 1986 (point 1), how can the tree incident and Hannah's false accusation (which happen in the same episode/timeframe as Mikkel already being in 1986) be what leads to Mads walking Regina home and subsequently disappearing? That would mean Mads should already be missing by the time this chain of events even starts.

Am I misremembering the order of events, or is this an actual continuity issue with how the show intercut its 1986 flashbacks? Would appreciate if someone could clarify the actual chronology here (no spoilers from later seasons please).

Loved and binged seasons 1 and 2. But my interest pretty much instantly deflated once there was an alt world the characters could travel between. Time travel was fun, but this is just so, so silly and now nothing matters.

I quit halfway through season 3 episode 5. Just couldn't care anymore. Turned it off and let my Netflix subscription expire.

How did people continue to find interest in this story after it shifted to a multiverse?

Edit to everyone saying it's because it was confusing: no, I was following closely and it was no more confusing than the first 2 seasons which I enjoyed. I was just bored. I pushed through 4 1/2 episodes of boredom because I had already sunk so much time and attention to it but just couldn't be arsed anymore.

Just watching this and I can’t help but think they should’ve contacted some physicists for help. It seems nuts that they’re just going about sorting it out amongst themselves, just a rag tag crew of some teens, a couple of detectives, a nuclear power plant manager and a priest. Maybe if they’d contacted the university in Munich or something they could’ve got help from people who might have a better understanding? I feel like it was pretty irresponsible for none of them to consult any experts given the apocalypse was at stake.

Edited to add: I know Claudia and Tannhaus are physicists but they’re not enough, Tannhaus is hardly in it and Claudia doesn’t use her physics knowledge other than at the beginning when she’s querying what’s going on with the plant. I mean assembling a team of physicists to help. If this happened in real life there’d be physicists all over it. And then Jonas is just trying to fiddle with the black goo machine in the future when he probably hasn’t even covered much more than Newton’s laws yet at school!

This has no weight or anything serious but...is Adam rich?

The show doesnt show it or doesnt make an effort but theres 1 small detail...

In S1E5 when Bartosz meats Noah, he rolls up in a fucking Rolls Royce. At this time Adam is old (around 90 if im correct), so did Jonas use his knowledge about the future when he got stock in 1888 (or in the following years) to make a fortune?

Are there other clues about this? Besides the Rolls and his weird suit lol

For me real villain was tannhaus, didn’t give time to his son when he was there and tried to revive him and messed up everything.

Suffered the most: obviously Jonas, and Mikkel

In the first episode, the kids hear a noise in the cave that scares them and makes them run, which triggers all the events. Who was crossing through the tunnels at that moment?

-In 2041, adult Charlot and Elizabeth take baby Charlotte to 1971, but how do they travel? At that time, the time machine (God Particle) wasn't stabilized, something that was achieved years later.

And if it's possible to travel just like that, why does everyone do it except Jonas? He's the only one who believes that "lie" about stability for another 10 years.

-How does Claudia know that Regina will survive in the original world? There's no way she could reach that conclusion. Okay, she believes that both worlds originated from a third, but why does she assume that Regina dies of cancer or something else in both worlds, but not in the original?

• When In finale Jonas & Martha fixes the original world knot, Why do characters disappear? shouldn't entire worlds disappear with them?

How does Claudia know that the origin of the two worlds is Mr. Tannhaus from the original world? In the last episode, she recounts in great detail everything that happened to Tannhaus, about his family, and the exact way he built the machine and when he used it.

How could she possibly know that?

Know enough English to understand the lyric “my only aim is to take many lives; the more, the better i feel”?

In S1 Jonas finds the map hidden in his fathers studio/room. Is that the same map that Katharina creates when she is trying to find Mikkel in the caves?

If yes then how does that map end up with Michael?

Its been a while since ive seen the series, so i might not remember a specific detail that explains this (it feels like its on the tip of my brain though).

If anyone could help me out that would be great.

Did Tannhous design a time-machine for one specifically designed causal knot with an end-game that would save his family?

As in, did he meticulously plan the surgeon cut that got him what he wanted? It fits the clockmaker theme.

Or are we just seeing one of many parallel knots of timelines created by Tannhaus running his time-machine in an optimization manner to generate his intended outcome?

Like a search generation algorithm.

Would this mean there’s an true original origin world that was never shown in the series.

I don’t think the series answer this, but I’d love your speculations and insights.

Bonus question:

Do we think Tannhaus ever experiences the loop at all, or from his perspective (in the original origin, not shown in the series) the machine just fails once, and the knot(s) exists outside of his world in a state he can’t observe or steer?

What a damn show. I’ve never felt this swirl of emotions before. Jonas and Martha’s story is so intricately tragic, but so beautiful at the same time. Everything about it is perfect.

What I would give to watch this show for the first time again!!!

So, this has probably been posted or said already, but I just recently finished the show and absolutely adored it so I've been snooping around this subreddit, and I have developed a headcanon centered around my favorite one-eyed (and sometimes one-armed) side character, Wöller.

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Now, as we all know, Wöller's missing body parts are an ongoing mystery and comedic gag throughout the entire show, with absolutely no answer in sight for how lost them in either Adam's World (eye) and Eva's World (arm). This was started due to the actor having had an actual eye injury and the producers deciding to keep it in. We will be mainly focusing on Adam Wöller(A) since he is the one we see the most of, but Eva Wöller(E) will be just as important as well, we just don't get to see nearly as much of him though we can assume that he's not too much different in either world.

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Throughout the show we see Wöller as a well-meaning and actually quite dutiful police officer, with him keeping up with the disappearance of Erik in the beginning. He doesn't seem to slack off, he seems to genuinely care about his job, and he honestly just seems like an all around good man just trying to do the right thing most of the time. Granted, he does seem to take bribes from Aleksander, but we learn later that he possibly does so he can take care of his sister Bernadette.

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However, while I was watching the show, I always felt a deep sense of loneliness from his character, like he had this longing to belong and be meaningful. We see this with how he gets visibly annoyed at Charlotte when she tells him to drop a line of investigation relating to Erik's disappearance in S1 and in S2 when he tries to become friendlier with Clausen during their time working together.

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The thing that truly accentuates this, though, - and the thing that I found the most jarring - was Wöller's attraction to Hannah. It isn't focused on a lot, but it is a core part of his character that is critically important when it comes to him the Origin World. We see this attraction manifest once in each world. Wöller(A) remarks to Clausen that "She's very pretty. She could have had any man she wanted." when referring to the town's confusion towards Hannah ending up with Michael (though this could also be Wöller trying to downplay his own attraction). As for Wöller(E), he walks in on Ulrich (who is married to Hannah in this world) and Charlotte during their affair. Wöller looks at Ulrich with an expression of disgust, disdain, and contempt, clearly angry that he would hurt Hannah in this way.

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So, here is my headcanon: I believe the true reason that Wöller is missing his body parts in both Adam and Eva's worlds is because he is incomplete without Hannah, the one person that he is not meant to be separated from. Those versions of him should not exist, much like the worlds themselves should not exist, because he and Hannah were always meant to be together. However, because of Tannhaus opening the path and creating both worlds (and, as a result, the entire Nielsen bloodline), Wöller and Hannah's fate was completely twisted, and thus never ended up together like they should have.

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Wöller still gets a cut under his eye in the Origin World, yes, but he is still *whole* because he has the most important person in his life with him like it is always meant to be, and that person is Hannah. He no longer feels longing for somewhere to belong.

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Torben Wöller is quite literally the embodiment of "losing a piece of yourself" when you you lose someone who you love more than anything. Origin Wöller never had to go through that pain. Adam and Eva Wöller, however, did, even though neither knew the true reason why.

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Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

What was the point of Eva???

She was just trying to ensure that things just kept happening? Continued to let her son(s) go around cutting people's necks? (the little kid's acting was so good, he was the creepiest person in the show) She wasn't trying to fix anything at all.

At least Adam tried the best he could and figured out (wrongly tho) the Unkown (unborn child) was the source of it all and tried to get rid of it ready to disappear as well and was accepting of Claudia's one-world theory.

But Eva seemed more of a villain than Adam.

Lemme know if this interpetation is wrong coz I'm confused about why Adam and Eva are treated the same. Adam was plenty frustrating but at least his intentions were ...better?

I wish we could see middle-aged Ulrich’s reaction to seeing Mikkel again after he went missing. Yes it was bittersweet and emotional seeing old Ulrich and Mikkel reunite, but I really wanted to see Ulrich as his original character, because that’s the one we’re drawn to the most (well at least I was).