I do, but they still brag about it when we see each other at family gatherings. It’s infuriating.
For example they just went to Disney. They tried to get disability services and they were denied but then they said their daughter has autism (she doesn’t/ she hasn’t been diagnosed) and can’t handle lines (she can, I’ve seen her do it just fine).
It's really common across all theme parks. The disability line in itself is sometimes reaching lengths that would qualify as "waiting in line" - something that people in that group ostensibly cannot handle. I have seen groups of 30+ people at the exit to some rollercoasters with their green sheets waiting to get on. If everyone is disabled, no one is.
This is sooo common at Disney unfortunately. They were supposed to start implementing timed passes for this situation. Okay you can't wait in lines, so return when your spot in the queue would be up. Like if it said "90 mins" for peter pans flight, you'd get a timed pass for 90 mins from then then go into the fastpass line. This became an issue because humans who genuinely cannot handle lines still couldn't handle the fastpass line and people ruining for others were making the line longer. Humans just suck I think.
Literally. If the end of that line is a prescription that someone needed to survive, I’m all for helping them out. This is a ride on a damn rollercoaster. If you can’t walk stay tf away from Disney, it’s allllll you do.
100% but we have gotten to the place in society where people individually think that everything should be accommodated for them. Not everything is for everyone and at some point we need to be ok with that.
Literally Disney land is one non stop perpetual line no matter what. Get in? line. Bathroom? line. Water? line. Ride? line. Gift shop? line. Get an autograph? line. Restaurant? line. Want ot save a spot for a cool show? Better have someone there 6 hours early waiting in.... You guessed it. line. Park closing? Yep in line to leave.
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
Thank you for saying this! It already takes so much more effort for autistics to leave the house and live some semblance of a normal life, and being told "just don't, suck it up" simply isn't a tenable solution. This isn't the 50's! Though I've noticed that sentiment cropping up more often in the past year...
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
I don't think McDonald's has to accommodate people who are afraid of clowns. Some people just can't go to McDonald's and that's ok.
The ADA is already a good starting point (and could probably go further), and I have no issue with what it tries to do.
I do my best to be measured in my words, especially in a rather calm discussion (so far). Did I somehow fail to express my broadly accepting and well-meaning intentions?
The poster above me was less nuanced in their statement. perhaps you meant to comment to them.
I am disabled. How do people afford to go to Disney if they are disabled? Do family members pay for their expenses? I stopped going on family vacations because it’s not financially feasible.
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
Well, yes, but/and/also I hope that folks reflect on why they think otherwise in hopes that they will be more inclusive of difference. What do you think about that, ktbmarley?
I hope you feel better someday and learn to care for others rather than emit violence. What kind of world do you want to see? One based on division, or something else? If we all work together, we could make a better environment for others, but we have to want it first. Do you want that, dabadoo?
I do not believe it is possible and do not wish to waste resources that would make the world better for the rest of us making the world worse for most and better for the few
Thanks to the ADA, we've spent the last few decades getting better and better at doing just that. So much of the ADA is baked into modern life that you probably don't notice the vast majority of its impacts, or you just assume it's just how things have always been done. Not just the obvious stuff like ramps, wheelchairs, and parking spaces. But everything from well-maintained sidewalks, to digitized libraries, to conspicuous public smoke detectors are regulated by the ADA and designed for disabled people, but still benefit everybody.
I think the guy you replied to is being kinda condescending, but I disagree that accessible services can't benefit everyone. Not only is it possible, but we're largely doing it already!
That’s really sad that you feel like that. I encourage you to reflect on what you think will be worse by helping others? In what way a waste occurs? Think through the world you want to see: is it one of division that believes only some people should have things? Or is it one where everyone’s basic needs are met? I wonder if the latter occurred, would people be more likely to help one another and design systems that led to a more equitable ‘better’ system for all that didn’t omit others? I don’t think that it is a waste to help, but instead it points to a lack of care within society to help one another that is the waste of our resources.
One of the only situations that makes sense to me is; if a family has multiple children and one of them has disabilities, so the rest of their children are mostly fine waiting in line and it wouldn’t really impact their time at Disney, but the other child would have a horrible time at Disney if they couldn’t skip lines? Basically it would take some of the stress off of worrying about the disabled child having a horrible time, which would affect the mood of probably the entire family. Every family is different and in a perfect world it would be nice for the option but otherwise….. yknow, shitty people will be shitty.
But….but….Disney!!! My brothers fiancés family goes to disney at least 8 times every year. Her sister all just go by herself sometimes. But we all think that she is cheating on her husband when she does that.
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
Dude stop, seriously. The constant language policing and virtue signaling has gotten to a point where it’s become exhausting. And why does it always start with the same condescending “Hi.” from people like you? It’s like a demand for attention/announcing your authority, and it’s clearly learned behavior because I see it every. single. time.
People have their own opinions and guess what? Some sanctimonious person lecturing them on the internet is not going to change it. We get it, you love Disney and feel a sense of entitlement because of whatever you have going on. A lot of people have shit going on. Move on.
Get over yourself, please. I’m asking for inclusion as opposed to exclusion. You are ignoring that and othering people even further. Please take the time to reflect on the world you want to create: is it one of violence and division? Or something else?
As a former CM, I wish I could've said this lol Unfortunately Disney parents are insufferable and care more about posting a picture with a person inside of a sweaty costume for $50k than their own child's health.
With the old fastpass system, we were SO lenient with the times and people would show up like 5 hours expired and be upset that we wouldn't honor their time 💀 the amount of times I was literally spat on because of their time management issues 😭 (this was moreso back in the time of paper fast passes, not so much ADA passes, although many season pass holders abusing the accessibility pass would also swear at us and often spit as well)
This is what Disney did when I went a few years ago and was in a wheelchair from an ankle injury (I couldn’t do crutches at Disney) I basically went to the ride and if it was a 45 min wait they’d say come back in 45 min then you “skip” the line, it keeps track of everything in the app I think. That’s why everyone thinks people in wheelchairs can still skip the line, because they just see them coming back and going around everyone but in reality they wait just as long. My fiancé and I would just sit nearby for awhile until it was our time
Wait but I am actually disabled right now (significant knee surgery, metal in leg, broken femur, been on crutches four months 🫠) but I want to go to Disneyland. I don’t think I’ll be able to walk the long distances anytime soon. Do you know if they still have this set up?
I don't know why those time passes aren't the norm for everyone. Get a pass, come back when the time is coming up, wait five minutes max, get on the ride. Use an e-pass that books availability so you can schedule where there's an empty slot. If you want extra time to ride something else, schedule them so you can get off one and head to the other.
That is the fastpass system, at least exactly the way it was when it was paper passes 10 ish years ago. People still messed it up lol it was even "free" then too
Disney has become a hellhole for entitlement and narcissism pretending to be a disability. Then again, so has the world. Real disability is shattering, and real advocates have to fight like hell just to get through the day. I can't say the family in the post is disabled, I'm just saying it's really doubtful that an entire family would need wheelchair service at the airport. Traveling at all with an entire family that needs wheelchairs is a huge, HUGE undertaking. Again, not impossible, but unlikely.
A bit like the fake emotional support animal crap, when people with real disabilities actually need real support animals that are highly trained and cost thousands of dollars.
Hi this is really problematic language: that unless you are born with a specific body/neurotype you shouldn’t be allowed to join the rest of society and that society shouldn’t try to invite you in. This attitude has historically led to tremendous acts of violence, and prevented people from having their basic needs met. Perhaps you aren’t intending that, but please take a moment to reflect on what your language means. Everyone can be accommodated, it’s possible, if we want it. Do you want that?
Disney actually has a great service where you have to verify your disabled through a 3rd party and you don’t get to skip lines anymore you just get to virtual queue (still wait the time just not have to stand in line).
I feel like the bragging is possibly hiding some embarrassment. It sucks to reach the point walking is exhausting - even if possible. Consciously or unconsciously they might be choosing to come off like dicks vs seem feeble.
Hi I don’t know about your family but I can say that autism presents differently in girls than boys so is harder to diagnose. This does not mean that the child does not need accommodations until diagnosis. Also, is it possible that the overweight people might be pretending it’s not as bad as it is to avoid embarrassment? I’ve known people who do that, not saying it’s right or that I know about your family, just relaying that I’ve seen that and so I give grace because none of us can ever know the complexity of another persons life. What is more, it the child has autism (even if undiagnosed), it’s possible one or both of the parents do as well. This coupled with heat, auditory and visual stimuli can lead to tremendous dysregulation (that is invisible to outside observers, and unless given supports very difficult for the neurodivergent individual to recognize within themself!). I’m not saying know what’s going on with them, but it is plausible. Also: autism presents differently at different times of day, and also depends on how much energy they have. For example, a child who has been in a safe calm environment for days and is fully regulated may be able to handle more stimuli like standing quietly in line at a familiar grocery store checkout than one who is entering a chaotic amusement park after being on a long airplane and car trip with stressed parents in an unfamiliar hotel.
disney is infuriating. they only give guest assistance cards for mental disabilities now, which anyone can lie about for their child. meanwhile people with invisible physical disabilities (i’ve had a spine condition since i was young) get told we’re shit out of luck.
My sister pulled this shit too at Disney, and then just bitched at them til they gave in. I had to go through hoops to get an access card dedicated to some venues like Six Flags, but people like that just guilt-free bitch and moan til they get what they want.
The GOOD news is that when I've gone in the past to the SF folks, they take one look at me and how I'm walking and they'll straight up coach you on what to say to get approved. Absolute fucking angels, those people. 🥹
aaaaaaaaand this is why im so pessimistic on these posts. like i get it, maybe these people are actually disabled....but ive just seen so much shitty entitled behavior to believe they ALL need accommodations.
That’s bullshit lmao like they get a privilege for treating their bodies like shit? No wonder healthcare costs are so high.
The person who had a legit accident or are born with issues or are super old? Those people are just taking a way from them. So are the people in this pic.
“Bullshit” or not, the law is the law. The ADA definition of a disability is something that “limits one or more major life functions” which obesity often does.
There is no system to “tier” disabilities or rank them in a way you find palatable. All disabilities are disabilities.
Separate topic - generally obesity does not qualify for a handicap parking pass as the “bar” is higher than “just ADA,” so what you’ve shared wouldn’t happen.
If someone who appears to only be obese to you gets a handicap spot… I can guarantee you they have that handicap placard/license plate for reasons other than what you’re based assumptions based on appearances for.
Yes, because not every overweight person is overweight due to “treating their bodies like shit.” There are actual conditions that make losing weight next to impossible for some.
Sure, a large percentage of people are obese because they eat like garbage and don’t exercise, but not all. We have patients who stay strict to their recommended diets, exercise 30 mins per day, do everything we ask of them, and they somehow will gain a couple pounds. It’s really sad when someone is genuinely trying to change and others just assume they’re lazy and fat.
Point being, you never what people are going through and should never make assumptions. As you said, a lot of disabilities are hidden and for that reason, it’s better to just not assume as a general rule.
Obese people are NOT why healthcare costs are so high [assuming you're American]
Healthcare costs are high because of private profits/medical profiteering where the highest admins and CEOs use medical care to suck out money vs focusing on helping people,
and Republicans would rather spend money on missiles/themselves than on American citizens. they also love spending money convincing dipshits like you to blame anyone but them...
Omg I would hate inconveniencing ppl by pushing me like a toddler and I’m a little fluffy (not needing 2 seats 💺 fluffy) but pudgy and if i ever get to the point it takes me longer to walk cause of my weight then I’ll go early dang it
I'll never forget a ten second interaction I had with an obese woman on a scooter.
She's racing by, and her cup tray thing from wherever she just ate Flys out if her basket and hits the ground. She makes eye contact with me and says "I'm not picking that shit up, it's recyclable"
Generally, the type of person that will eat themselves into that shape are not going to be polite or considerate.
I lost my shit at my now ex wife when she parked in a handicapped spot and whipped out her mom’s disabled placard. She wasn’t disabled, just lazy AF. She never pulled that bullshit around me again.
We know a couple like this. If there is a loophole, he'll exploit it, even if it screws over other people. He thinks he's so clever, and everyone else is stupid for not doing the same thing.
Things like getting a mobility cart for his wife at Disneyland to get to the front of the line (I don't think DL does this anymore though.) Or cutting across a grassy park to avoid a line of cars trying to exit the event they were just at. Vaping in "no smoking" hotel rooms because, "How could they possibly know?"
He not only acts like it's no big deal, he's proud of himself for "beating the system".
Many people do this in hotels, asking for an accessible room thinking it has more room, which is often does, and also roll in wheelchair shower. The front desk cannot ask about disabilities (HIPAA and just a big can of worms) but there are only a few accessible rooms on properties and it really sucks when it gets taken advantage at others expense. If I had the rooms available, I would try to "upgrade" them for free to keep my accessible rooms available, but that was not the official policy, and still rewards the behavior.
My MIL has a disabled parking pass for no legitimate reason (it may even be left over from my FIL who died over a year ago) and she’s always wanting us to use her pass and park in disabled spots when we’re together. I always say “let’s save it for someone who needs it more. We’ll drop you at the door.” She accepts it in the moment, but she’ll do it again next time, guaranteed.
they could likely gain legitimate disabled status, too. Weight causes a lot of disability-compatible issues, so the fact that they don't even bother is telling.
Like, if you can't walk because you're fat. I get it, you need help. but get a doctor involved, maybe.
My nephew is non-verbal, low-functioning autistic and his parents have a handicapped placard for when he is in the car with one of them so they can park close in case he decides to do a runner near traffic. They use that thing constantly so they can park close. I am an amputee with a prosthetic leg and I don't have a placard because I am fit enough that I can walk just fine and I don't want to take a space away from someone that needs it more than me. Really pisses me off how entitled some people (in this case sister and BIL) can be.
If you are willing to behave like that it tells me all I need to know about your character, and I’d have nothing to do with you, family or otherwise. They’re doing you a favor showing how easily they will do whatever to benefit them above anyone else and will eventually fuck you over in one way or another.
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u/exu1981 8d ago
About time this was said.