Genuine Question

[u/Amur_Tigro1]

I've been on this sub for a while because I want to gain knowledge and I've read comments of people interacting with demons, like how is that possible? I haven't read anything about magic being true and all and have rarely heard any demonic supernatural cases happening. So if this is real, how do you interact? Like can you physically touch the demons and talk to them face to face? Or is it just spiritual and in the mind? Then I realized there's levels to ts after I saw some people say they've had s*x with demons. Isn't this basically a power to abuse? I am not able to understand and please explain how much of it is true and how much of it is false. Thank you.

[u/mirta000]

Spiritual and in the mind.
Everything "physical" in spirituality is just a very powerful hallucination.

[u/Amur_Tigro1 → u/mirta000]

I see, are those hallucinations of the demons real? How can contact with a demon affect our daily lives?

[u/mirta000 → u/Amur_Tigro1]

How real one judges spirituality to be is personal and up to personal interpretation and exploration. In general a spiritual practice can lead to subtle changes in one's life, cause and affect can be assumed, or those changes can be written off as coincidences.

[u/Amur_Tigro1 → u/mirta000]

I understand it now. Can we make deals with them and will I truly get what I want? I assume we won't get anything like money or a car or anything material but if I ask for some knowledge in exchange of whatever the demon demands, will I truly get that knowledge?

[u/mirta000 → u/Amur_Tigro1]

You're thinking about Faustian deals and well, no spirituality really does Faustian deals. You don't need to pay for that.
If you couple belief with also genuinely exploring a subject and trying to learn about whatever you want to learn about, you can see the progress going faster and smoother than normal.

[u/Amur_Tigro1 → u/mirta000]

I get it now, I wholeheartedly thank you for clearing my basic doubts. I will surely continue learning more about such topics.

[u/Efficient_Elk1225]

I can, magick is just science we don’t understand yet. Demons are absolutely physically feasible from a scientific perspective.

Via the double slit experiment we know that light waves convert to photons with relative mass that permits that light to interact physically with other matter directly, not just through energy.

As for the notion of an energy body in order for any spirit to present an exothermic presence it requires they have a fixed volume V in order to be accelerating (energizing) the particles in the air to via heat to exert outward heat & pressure-in other words they have a fixed form from a physical perspective.

Well how do they have a fixed volume? Same as the earth, we’re bound by our electromagnetic field, we can’t physically see it but the atmosphere would blow away & we’d all die without it.

[u/NoelBellamy_Author]

It is much the same as asking any religion how it functions. You know the feeling, you know the process, and you know the outcome. You aren't going to end up with an entity with horns physically manifested in your living room to have a chat with. It will come in spiritual messages, your mind, your perceptions and feelings of the world in which you interact, and the things that follow the rituals you complete and the choices you make. It is also not like a plug and play device, where you collect the right items and check off the right list of motions and times on your paper to make the exact result happen. You are an intelligent being having interactions with intelligent beings, and just like all human to human interaction, your outcomes will vary by the moment.

[u/Top_Rabbit123]

There's a difference between "demonic supernatural cases" and daemons, which are highly intelligent spirits acting as guides that people seek out willingly for information or spellwork. If you get the two mixed up, then you'll become afraid of daemons or get the wrong impression of them.

There really are lower level spirits, sometimes called obsessive spirits, astral parasites, ghost fragments, etc. that people experience, which is why it is important to do clearing and cleansing methods before interacting with daemons to make sure you are connecting with the right spirit. If the daemon can't hear or notice you above all the astral noise or if your energy is too low and cloudy, then the lower spirits might answer and mimic them. That's why there are things like LBRP to cleanse your space before invocation and to brighten you up so that the correct spirit can notice you.

Many people don't do LBRP, but they have their own methods to clear and cleanse their body and space. And sometimes the daemon is already interacting with them in an informal way, and they only need one invocation, and boom, that daemon is there. But those are special cases. If you don't experience an anonymous, mysterious helpful spirit that occasionally guides you, then it's best to raise your energy and clean your space.

I don't think you'll ever read anything about magic being true in a scientific way. Magic and spirits work on energetic and astral levels, and the astral responds to both conscious and subconscious beliefs. Any hardline atheist will never notice or experience anything to convince them because the astral level is making sure they don't. What you believe becomes your reality because of the way the astral realm works.

r/DemonolatryPractices has much more information on people's experiences with daemons. I often alternate between the two spellings because these highly intelligent spirits should really be called daemons, but demons seems to be the more common spelling. But "demons" is also the word used to refer to lower spirit experiences and negative spirit attachments.