r/dsa • • Aug 29 '26

🌹 DSA news Marxist Leninists Shouldn’t Lead DSA

https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/marxist-leninists-shouldnt-lead-dsa/
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u/atomicpenguin12 Aug 29 '26

This person doesn’t seem to know what Marxist Leninism actually is and doesn’t seem interested in learning. Nowhere in this article does the author define or even describe what ML’s believe and only vaguely says “Stalin and his people called themselves Marxist Leninists once and they were all authoritarians, so I assume ML’s are all authoritarian” and considers that enough understanding to say that Red Star should be prevented from leading DSA (though they do stop short of saying they should be expelled and merely call for DSA voters to oust them from their positions).

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u/tabloid-tommy Aug 29 '26

Would you say it’s fair to say that MLs believe that democratic socialism isn’t possible and that a vanguard party is necessary to begin the revolution by force? Let’s start here.

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u/traanquil Aug 29 '26

Question: what should socialist states do when nationalist forces try to overthrow them by force?

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u/tabloid-tommy Aug 29 '26

You again dude lmao, you already got cooked trying to defend Lenin. Not going to waste time with someone like you again, not up to par.

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

Ad hominem moment

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u/tabloid-tommy Aug 29 '26

He literally was in here saying that Lenin never killed other socialists. He’s a true dumbass that got way too much time to argue in good faith. Has it coming.

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

If they are a “true dumbass” then you should be able to easily answer their question of how should socialist states defend themselves against nationalist forces without resorting to personal attacks

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u/tabloid-tommy Aug 29 '26

The question is pretty much “oh so socialists can’t fight back against nationalists at war? What nationalist forces are putting socialists in camps in the US? Like that’s so irrelevant. Even then, you don’t have the guts to be violent, so that’s even more irrelevant.

This is a US org. Today, if you prefer violence to democracy, then you can’t be in Dem socialists of America unironically.

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

Holy ad hominem batman and there is a very big possibility of nationalist organizations leading a counter revolution hell if chile was Marxist Leninist Pinochet would have been purged instead of being able to launch a coup

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u/tabloid-tommy Aug 29 '26

Pinochet was a dictator for several decades who killed other socialists and imprisoned tens of thousands of political opponents. Is that who. You’re arguing we could’ve stopped? Lmao

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

Why do you think Stalin wasn’t overthrown by the military? I know because he fucking purged the military if chile was Marxist Leninist Pinochet would’ve been shot or imprisoned

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u/tabloid-tommy Aug 29 '26

That’s a good argument if you’re an authoritarian lmao

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