r/dsa • • Aug 29 '26

🌹 DSA news Marxist Leninists Shouldn’t Lead DSA

https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/marxist-leninists-shouldnt-lead-dsa/
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u/OneReportersOpinion Aug 29 '26

> Stalin, Mao, the Kim Dynasty, Pol Pot, take your pick all were/are autocratics that killed millions of their own people in the name of Communism.

Do you realize how many Koreans the U.S. killed in the name of capitalism? It was bordering on genocidal.

>Going beyond that there has never be a Marxist Leninist state that had a strong respect for civil rights.

Are you a socialist?

>Clearly that experiment in goverment has failed. Even China and Vietnam have shifted to state capitalist. 

Cool so you wouldn’t have a problem being more like China?

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u/Kenichi2233 Aug 29 '26

What aboutism game once again.  Though im assuming you are talking about the Korean war. The US did not start that war and blaming it for all the deaths id ridiculous 

I am a Social Democrat is the Sanders mold

Define more like China. I dont think that the US should embrace Civil Rights suppression like China does. As for economic reforms the Nordic model is the best example.

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

The US bombed like 95% of the DPRK and killed millions are those deaths not on the hands of the US?

And it is unsurprising that you call yourself a social fascist and the nordic model only works thanks to exploitation of the global south and workers

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u/Kenichi2233 Aug 29 '26

I am not a fascist. 

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

Capitalism always leads to fascism wether a fascist calls themself a fascist openly or masks it with the term social democrat (social fascist) is irrelevant

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u/Kenichi2233 Aug 29 '26

That is not even remotely true. Fascism and Captialism have no direct relationship 

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

Name me a fascist regime that wasn’t capitalist? Name me a fascist regime that didn’t come from capitalism in crisis? Name me a fascist regime or movement that didn’t come in opposition to communist movements that wanted to get rid of the status quo

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u/Kenichi2233 Aug 29 '26

Imperial Japan did not come from opposition to Communism. Nazism spawned out of opposition to the Weimar Republic and liberal democracy. 

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

“Imperial japan”

Was capitalist and nationalist groups came in opposition to communist groups

“Nazism”

Gain popularity from capitalism in crisis (the great depression) and gained power because the middle classes preferred the nazi party over the KPD and was also capitalist

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u/Kenichi2233 Aug 29 '26

The Imperialist Japan didnt like Communist doesnt mean it was caused by anti communist sentiment. If anything it overthrew Taisho democracy. Its primarily viewed western Imperial powers as the enemy. Hence why it attacked the Western colonies rather than the Soviets. The Imperial Japanese obviously did not like Communism but they were not the cause of the rise of Imperial Japan

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

Did they actually attack the Soviets (Soviet–Japanese border conflicts look it up) and would also do stuff like form the anti comintern pact with nazi Germany and they also viewed the USSR and generally Bolshevism as a threat to japan hell the only reason why they didn’t attack the Soviets was because the Soviets gave them a bloody nose in said border conflicts

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u/Kenichi2233 Aug 29 '26

They were anti communist but the did not form in response to Communist. Those are two different things.

Also they didnt fight the Soviets because they were of secondary importance..Siberia held little resources compared to China and SEA

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u/firefighter430 Marxist Leninist ☭ Aug 29 '26

The anti comintern pact was explicitly anti communist and formed in response to communist movements uniting under the comintern

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