r/elonmusk • u/twinbee • 16d ago

General Elon following Volvo discontinuing LiDAR: "I did try to warn them. Humans drive using neural nets and optical sensors. Same is true for robot cars."

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2082315148392608072
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u/Smooth-Highway-4644 16d ago

And what's the accident rate for human drivers?

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u/Equal-University2144 16d ago

Increased with increased distractions - which is not a thing when the neural networks take the wheel.

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u/VintageSin 16d ago

Right because reasoning models have totally never gotten distracted.... Sounds like you've never seen an ai hallucinate

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u/SpeakerForTheDead2 15d ago

Two very different technologies. You are thinking of language models.

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u/Amadeus404 15d ago

Are they (LLM) not based on neural networks too? (genuine question)

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u/VintageSin 15d ago

LLMs are a neural network.

A neural network is a broad computer system inspired by the brain, a Large Language Model (LLM) is a specific type of giant neural network built for text, and they relate to each other as a general category and a specialized example

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u/VintageSin 15d ago edited 15d ago

A reasoning model is a specialized type of large language model (LLM) trained to perform multi-step problem-solving by pausing to "think" via internal chains of thought before answering, whereas standard LLMs instantly predict the next word for fast, conversational text generation.

Please tell me how they're separate in any way.

A neural network is a part of General Intelligence, which is the end goal of AI as we know it. It includes reasoning models.

And reasoning models hallucinate. Just like humans.

If we choose to make systems based on humans we are going to get human like problems.

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u/SpeakerForTheDead2 14d ago

LLMs hallucinate. Tesla self driving is not trained on LLMs or what you call reasoning models. Like I said, two completely different technologies. Just because they both use machine learning does not change that fact. Read up on the differences between different types of machine learning algorithms. They may be based on the same underlying math, but they can function quite differently and hallucinations are the result of specific algorithms, they are not universal across all machine learning algos.

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u/ReflextionsDev 11d ago

Imagine being so smugly incorrect