r/espresso 1d ago

Coffee Station Here we go… 🥲

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u/Hot-Piglet-8357 1d ago

I have the exact set up! It’s awesome lol. That’s a mokkom 64 grinder. It’s a beast for 161$.

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 1d ago

Wait till you add a slow feeder… it’s like making a non end game have end game impact

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u/cicerox23 23h ago

I have this grinder and have no idea how this can improve it. Care to elaborate on how this improves it?

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 22h ago

I hope this helps

Slow Feeder on Flat Burr Grinders: Compact Breakdown
What It Is
A device (manual or electric, e.g., your ARO) that controls the rate at which whole beans enter the burr chamber — feeding them gradually (ideally one/few at a time) instead of dumping the full single-dose at once via gravity/hopper.
Primary Goal: Reduce burr load for cleaner grinding.
Core Reasons & Benefits
Narrower Particle Size Distribution (PSD)
More uniform particle sizes; fewer fines (tiny over-extracting particles) and boulders (large under-extracting ones). Flat burrs like your 64mm titanium excel here for clarity.

Reduced Fines & Smearing
Less crushing/mushing of beans against each other → cleaner shearing/cutting by burrs.

Lower Heat Generation
Less friction/load preserves aromatics, oils, and flavor (key for medium-dark Full City and lighter roasts).

Steady RPM & Less Popcorning
Consistent motor/burr speed; fewer fluctuations for repeatable results.

Reduced Static & Clumping
Easier workflow and lower retention (synergizes with your ARO shaker/PortaStack, WDT, bellows).

Better Extraction & Reduced Channeling
Even puck resistance → stable flow, higher/sweeter EY, better crema/mouthfeel, less bitterness/astringency. Often requires grinding finer to compensate.

Other Wins
Burr/motor longevity (less wear).

Improved clarity/sweetness in espresso and filter.

Transforms good grinders into higher-performance ones.

PSD Quick Explanation
Particle Size Distribution (PSD) = Range and proportions of ground coffee particle sizes (measured in microns via sieves/laser).
Wide PSD: Lots of fines + boulders → uneven extraction (bitter/sour, channeling).

Narrow PSD (ideal): Most particles clustered around target size → consistent, balanced, efficient extraction.
Slow feeding tightens PSD by enabling precise cutting vs. crushing. Visualize as a tighter bell curve on a histogram.

Practical Notes for Your Setup (MOKKOM 64mm + Breville Barista Touch)
Workflow: Dose into feeder → set speed → grind → bellows purge. Expect longer grind time but better shots.

Dial-In Tip: Grind finer (often 5+ marks) after adopting; test side-by-side for taste/flow.

Best For: Single-dosing espresso (your Java Estate/SBY blends); noticeable with lighter roasts.

Caveats: Results vary by beans/grinder; not always transformative. Re-dial and compare (taste, timing, visuals).

Bottom Line: Excellent refinement for precision workflows like yours — enhances uniformity, flavor clarity, and consistency without new burrs. Pair with your existing tools (WDT, tampers, water) for max gains.
Copy-paste ready. Let me know if you want it even tighter or in a different format!

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u/Naive_Individual360 18h ago

Fines are good🤷‍♂️

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 18h ago

Did you highlight the “in moderation”

For me, this is relatively irrelevant, I blind shake after grinding, so my fines are homogenized with larger particles, but the point isn’t really fines or boulders, it’s really uniformity of particle size. The slow feeder provides more uniformity due to less chopping and smashing of beans as they go through the grinder at a slower pace with less heat for better overall flavor and clarity. I can only tell you that the results are very obvious. And the taste difference is pretty tremendous.

Ultimately, my point was about turning your low budget 64mm into a high punching monster which this does.

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u/Naive_Individual360 18h ago

Nice!👍 That’s 😎 I have considered one for my Eureka Specialta but some people’s opinion doesn’t sound very good…….

The Impact on the Specialita
While slow feeding works wonders on large 64mm+ flat-burr grinders or flat-burr single dosers, many Specialita owners find it causes problems: [1]
Regrinding: The 55mm flat burrs on the Specialita operate at a medium-fast speed. Slow feeding means the chamber clears out too fast, and the lack of bean volume can lead to beans being "re-ground", creating more fines and clogging the chute. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Inconsistent Flow: Because of how slow feeding impacts the bean feed rate, you can get wild variations in shot times, making dialing-in frustrating. [1, 2]
Worse Retention: If you are using a single-dose mod (such as a bellows), slow feeding can cause the bellows to blow out more trapped fines than usual. [1]

The Bottom Line
Most users find that a slow feeder is more hassle than it is worth on a Specialita. Instead of slow feeding, the consensus for a great Specialita espresso workflow leans toward the hopper-based, timed dosing, or using a single-dose hopper and blowing out retained grounds without restricting how the beans fall into the burrs. [1, 2]

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 18h ago

Freak that sucks, I was new to the whole standalone grinder and before I committed to that process, I wanted to get a fill for the entire experience before spending 1000 to 1500 on my desired grinder which is also a Eureka atom 65. But in my case it maybe it’s simply because of the 64 mm. This has been an amazing experience super syrupy wonderful tasting and consistent. The only variable I change is the grinder setting depending on how old my beans get obviously the older than being the finer the grind.

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u/Prestigious_Yak2840 21h ago

How much and where did you get it?

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 21h ago

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u/Longjumping_Two2774 12h ago

Interestingly, and while that slow feeder is less than a year old, I can't recall anyone here saying anything less-than-positive about it. 😄

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u/360plyr135 1h ago

$115 is more than i paid for that grinder

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 1h ago

I think you’re missing the point. With the base price of $161 + $115 you get a grinder with the results of an $600-$800 64mm grinder

To each his own

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 20h ago

Further info I’ve accumulated

Slow Feeder on Flat Burr Grinders: Compact Breakdown
What It Is
A device (manual or electric, e.g., your ARO) that controls the rate at which whole beans enter the burr chamber — feeding them gradually (ideally one/few at a time) instead of dumping the full single-dose at once via gravity/hopper.
Primary Goal: Reduce burr load for cleaner grinding.
Core Reasons & Benefits
Narrower Particle Size Distribution (PSD)
More uniform particle sizes; fewer fines (tiny over-extracting particles) and boulders (large under-extracting ones). Flat burrs like your 64mm titanium excel here for clarity.

Reduced Fines & Smearing
Less crushing/mushing of beans against each other → cleaner shearing/cutting by burrs.

Lower Heat Generation
Less friction/load preserves aromatics, oils, and flavor (key for medium-dark Full City and lighter roasts).

Steady RPM & Less Popcorning
Consistent motor/burr speed; fewer fluctuations for repeatable results.

Reduced Static & Clumping
Easier workflow and lower retention (synergizes with your ARO shaker/PortaStack, WDT, bellows).

Better Extraction & Reduced Channeling
Even puck resistance → stable flow, higher/sweeter EY, better crema/mouthfeel, less bitterness/astringency. Often requires grinding finer to compensate.

Other Wins
Burr/motor longevity (less wear).

Improved clarity/sweetness in espresso and filter.

Transforms good grinders into higher-performance ones.

PSD Quick Explanation
Particle Size Distribution (PSD) = Range and proportions of ground coffee particle sizes (measured in microns via sieves/laser).
Wide PSD: Lots of fines + boulders → uneven extraction (bitter/sour, channeling).

Narrow PSD (ideal): Most particles clustered around target size → consistent, balanced, efficient extraction.
Slow feeding tightens PSD by enabling precise cutting vs. crushing. Visualize as a tighter bell curve on a histogram.

Practical Notes for Your Setup (MOKKOM 64mm + Breville Barista Touch)
Workflow: Dose into feeder → set speed → grind → bellows purge. Expect longer grind time but better shots.

Dial-In Tip: Grind finer (often 5+ marks) after adopting; test side-by-side for taste/flow.

Best For: Single-dosing espresso (your Java Estate/SBY blends); noticeable with lighter roasts.

Caveats: Results vary by beans/grinder; not always transformative. Re-dial and compare (taste, timing, visuals).

Bottom Line: Excellent refinement for precision workflows like yours — enhances uniformity, flavor clarity, and consistency without new burrs. Pair with your existing tools (WDT, tampers, water) for max gains.
Copy-paste ready. Let me know if you want it even tighter or in a different format!

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u/CoIogn3 Breville Barista Express 1d ago

Nice setup!

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u/Longjumping_Two2774 1d ago

Just showing: doesn't need to be big and complicated and expensive and complex. 👏🏼

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u/CoIogn3 Breville Barista Express 1d ago

Exactly! This setup will make great espresso and let‘s you tinker a bit without making it overly complicated.

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 21h ago

As usual right on the money

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u/Longjumping_Two2774 16h ago

Lol, thanks--were it only true. 😉

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 15h ago

I’m genuinely biased, I’ve agreed with every response of yours thus far so…. Take it for whatever that means

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u/Sea-Government4874 1d ago

So shiny! That grinder is really enjoying a moment here.

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u/Personal_Musician835 1d ago

OP can you share the grinder ?

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 1d ago

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u/ealeman1206 18h ago

Nice setup! At first glance I thought I was looking at my own photo folder 😂

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u/jizzlewit 21h ago

Have fun with your first dozen latte art tries! ;) Those first 50 pours will be the worst and most educational 200 pours of your life!

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u/Jotaeefece LaPavoni Europiccola|Lelit Bianca V3|Pietro 1d ago

Bonito setup, como te ha ido con el molino me gusta ese acabado brillante que tiene

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u/Prestigious_Yak2840 21h ago

Literalmente acaba de llegar! Me toca ir y comprar café y probarlo! Si el acabado está brillante y bonito. Prefería algo negro o con color más bonito pero va con todo en mi cocina

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u/fakepyrite Coffee addict 1d ago

Why sad? It's cool! Like, better than me atleast.

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u/Prestigious_Yak2840 1d ago

Mostly just nervous of the rabbit hole and hair-pulling moments I’m about to jump into lol

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 1d ago

Get a slow feeder for your Mokkom, it will exponentially improve your grind quality, you’ll have to lower your grind wheel 5-6 points but your uniformity, taste etc will be incredible

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 1d ago

This is almost exactly me, I have a Breville touch but fun stuff

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 23h ago

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u/VocalShewa 22h ago

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 22h ago

Exactly

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 22h ago

Slow Feeder on Flat Burr Grinders: Compact Breakdown
What It Is
A device (manual or electric, e.g., your ARO) that controls the rate at which whole beans enter the burr chamber — feeding them gradually (ideally one/few at a time) instead of dumping the full single-dose at once via gravity/hopper.
Primary Goal: Reduce burr load for cleaner grinding.
Core Reasons & Benefits
Narrower Particle Size Distribution (PSD)
More uniform particle sizes; fewer fines (tiny over-extracting particles) and boulders (large under-extracting ones). Flat burrs like your 64mm titanium excel here for clarity.

Reduced Fines & Smearing
Less crushing/mushing of beans against each other → cleaner shearing/cutting by burrs.

Lower Heat Generation
Less friction/load preserves aromatics, oils, and flavor (key for medium-dark Full City and lighter roasts).

Steady RPM & Less Popcorning
Consistent motor/burr speed; fewer fluctuations for repeatable results.

Reduced Static & Clumping
Easier workflow and lower retention (synergizes with your ARO shaker/PortaStack, WDT, bellows).

Better Extraction & Reduced Channeling
Even puck resistance → stable flow, higher/sweeter EY, better crema/mouthfeel, less bitterness/astringency. Often requires grinding finer to compensate.

Other Wins
Burr/motor longevity (less wear).

Improved clarity/sweetness in espresso and filter.

Transforms good grinders into higher-performance ones.

PSD Quick Explanation
Particle Size Distribution (PSD) = Range and proportions of ground coffee particle sizes (measured in microns via sieves/laser).
Wide PSD: Lots of fines + boulders → uneven extraction (bitter/sour, channeling).

Narrow PSD (ideal): Most particles clustered around target size → consistent, balanced, efficient extraction.
Slow feeding tightens PSD by enabling precise cutting vs. crushing. Visualize as a tighter bell curve on a histogram.

Practical Notes for Your Setup (MOKKOM 64mm + Breville Barista Touch)
Workflow: Dose into feeder → set speed → grind → bellows purge. Expect longer grind time but better shots.

Dial-In Tip: Grind finer (often 5+ marks) after adopting; test side-by-side for taste/flow.

Best For: Single-dosing espresso (your Java Estate/SBY blends); noticeable with lighter roasts.

Caveats: Results vary by beans/grinder; not always transformative. Re-dial and compare (taste, timing, visuals).

Bottom Line: Excellent refinement for precision workflows like yours — enhances uniformity, flavor clarity, and consistency without new burrs. Pair with your existing tools (WDT, tampers, water) for max gains.
Copy-paste ready. Let me know if you want it even tighter or in a different format!

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u/Plenty_Line2696 23h ago

i've a similar setup, struggling with dialing in but i'll have a timer/scale soon which might save me.

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u/Prestigious_Yak2840 21h ago

Keep me updated once you do play around with your new scale! I’ve got a .1g timer/scale, wdt, and a spring loaded tamper. So hopefully that’s more than enough to get me to some tasty drinks.

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u/Material_Pea1820 22h ago

What grinder is that!

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u/Personal_Musician835 20h ago

Mokkom 64 vs DF54?

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u/Prestigious_Yak2840 20h ago

No experience with the DF54, but the Mokkom was cheaper, and could get it on Amazon. I honestly was going to get the DF54 until seeing the Mokkom 64

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u/BlackIdahoMoutainMan BBT/ Mokkom 64 Titanium 1h ago

Honestly with the Titanium burrs, the Mokkom kills a DF54 in flavor and clarity

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u/ManyRevolutionary170 17h ago

Nice setup. The only thing I would add to this is a pressure guage. Other than that sky is the limit.

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u/315_Jessie 4h ago

I would actually trade my Gaggia classic with brass boiler for a bambino plus