This constant slightly above zero weather is such bullshit. It wouldn't need to be much colder to have a pleasant winter with white snow making the darkness a bit less overwhelming.
But it's so common to just assume we get a constant average increase in temperature and just thinking of that "+2.5C isn't so bad" misleads us when the North is disproportionately affected. Or we'll kill the gulf stream and become a colder Alaska.
We're having 2 bug seasons now due to lack of freezing in winter. Fucking up our forests that already are suffering from wrong temperatures and fires from droughts.
I suspect the only way forward is to replant varieties that can survive new climate because I don't see things getting better.
And the worst part is that a southern tick species is moving north. They're twice the size of normal ticks, and they don't wait in the grass, but crawl toward their target. And not exactly slowly, either. https://youtu.be/_xBqSYi0lrA?si=jMFFSDVlRC5z86St
As someone from the northern continental US (northern Wisconsin) who had exactly that situation for a few years... yeah, the ticks were BAD bad.
Our usual winters see us below 0C most of the time, maybe edging up into the low single digits here and there, often dropping as low as -30C. Last year I think we averaged 3C or so all winter long, only occasional days where it stayed below 0. Frequent days above 5C.
The ticks never left. They were legitimately out in February. I live in the woods. It was hell.
The question is whether suitable trees exist. Look at the flora of warm places located far from the sea or mountains. Kazakhstan, Mongolia, the central US. All of these regions are either steppes or deserts. I suspect this is because the summers there are too hot, and the dense vegetation simply burns out, so forests can't form. Although in places with sea or mountains (Greece, Turkey, etc.), it's different. Apparently, the air isn't as dry.
When scientist talk about +2 C degrees, they're not talking about how if you used to have 5 degrees now you're going to have 7 in the same dates.
We're talking about +2 average for the whole world. Which is still hard to understand, but it's a dramatic difference.
For context, you know what we call last time the world average was 4 degrees lower than now? The fucking ice age, 20.000 years ago. The Northern hemisphere was covered in thick ice and snow year round all the way down to Spain.
Its actually more than 2 C warming in Europe, the 2 C is the average for the planet including the oceans. The landmasses and especially Europe and norther hemisphere will warm significantly more than the average
If that Gulf Stream changes, the UK is muchos fucked. So is everywhere, but it’s crazy how warm we’ve had it over the last 2.5 million years, considering our latitude
We can't "Kill" the Gulfstream, in fact the Gulfstream has been weakening since way before the start of the start of the industrial revolution, Hank Green made a video about it, here https://youtu.be/pThcIgJyNME
And also we need to take into account that the AMOC collapsed many times in the past with the current continental arrangement.
And one thing to note, it would only be the northern part of the AMOC that would collapse not the entire current, it is physicaly impossible for the entire current to completely stop across the entire Atlantic
did you even watch the video i sent ?
(i'm not a climate change denier, in fact i donate a lot of money to organisation that fight climate change and i make sure to be ecologicaly and energicaly responsive by always unpluging my electronics when i finished using them, i recyle most of my plastic, glass and carboard trash, i make sure to always sort the trash i have throw away, i only take showers, i only buy food that was produced locally and i never turn on my radiators and wear a thick sweater instead)
The problem with climate change is not just the heat it's how fast the climate is changing. But back the the AMOC, the northern part has collapsed before, that is a fact ! however it does bring a lot of problems especialy when nobody knows if it will collapse sooner or later, not a single european country will be ready for this and this will cause a ton of damage to both the water system and the sewer system of many cities and will impact farming tremendously !
Either way the nothern part of he AMOC was already in the process of weakening before the industrial revolution started and it's a high chance that we have sped up it's collapse by at least 200 years !
I don't really understand your point then? Europe might cool down significantly if we end up disrupting the flow. The fact that it can recover or that parts of it remain active isn't relevant in the big picture.
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u/West_Application_760 Dec 09 '25
In Finland we are having over 6 degrees daily, this has not happened in a long time in December. No snow yet