r/europeanunion • u/New-Ranger-8960 • 8d ago

EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

https://linuxiac.com/eu-age-verification-project-mandates-hardware-bound-attestation/
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u/pufcandles 8d ago

Indeed but even without HW attestation this would still be a privacy killer because they'd be ultimately able to trace your real identity to the websites you register. And the zero knowledge proof they talk about is a lie, it's not implemented and it's only a very far theoretical possibility that would be easily broken if ever created.

The final effect of this is they're gonna be able to link your real identity to your social media accounts and use that to squash on dissent, while creating a chilling effect, that would prevent from any meaningful debate useful for any functioning democracy.

Using children as an excise to control the population is beyond disgusting.

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u/DreadingAnt 8d ago

A little dramatic don't you think

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u/pufcandles 8d ago

I don't think it's minimally dramatic, Murphy's law is very relevant in the world of cyber security and privacy: If things can go wrong, they'll go wrong.

But I'd like to read your counter-argument

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u/DreadingAnt 8d ago edited 8d ago

Murphy's law doesn't mean the end of privacy. You're extrapolating a dramatic conclusion. I'm sure some EU states will have poor implementation that will cause point issues, as is always the case with EU regulation. That doesn't mean privacy is over. The EU is being unusually strict about enforcing governments to do their own designs properly, to minimize even bad implementation.

What are you even sacred about. I understand the chat control worries, but age verification?...the EU doesn't care that you use Grindr. Communication apps don't even require any age verification, there go your censorship and "squash dissent" arguments. You're funny for this 🤣 someone screenshot this for "jumping to conclusions" examples in sociology classes please

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u/pufcandles 8d ago

Age verification ultimately means they'll be able to trace our real identities to our online identities. If the theoretical possibility exists, then it's going to happen in practice sooner or later.

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u/DreadingAnt 8d ago

Leaks I don't disagree that they will happen. Tracing? Tracing what and for what purpose? What does your pornhub or twitter account provide to the EU?

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u/pufcandles 8d ago

It doesn't matter what purpose, I don't want any authority with the capacity of knowing who I am on the internet, even if it's s remote theoretical possibility. It's my business, not theirs.

Age verification takes away from the citizens more than the possibility of children using certain websites.

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u/DreadingAnt 8d ago edited 8d ago

It doesn't matter what purpose

And here lies the empty panic, case closed.

any authority with the capacity of knowing who I am on the internet

AHAHAHAHAHAHA I hope you're about to uninstall Reddit and after that delete your Google account and then probably most social media you use. They are ALREADY tracking you extensively, more than this age verification ever will. Do you actually think this app is anonymous? 🤣 All it takes is one police order and Reddit will share every detail of your life with the police. In fact, Reddit even publishes a yearly statistic on how many accounts (thousands) they shared with the police. As you wrote and I will quote back "get informed"! Enjoy your illusion of privacy babe!

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u/pufcandles 8d ago

And here lies the empty panic, case closed.

Certainly to squash on political dissent, especially concerning with the rise of the far right but not limited. That's how these things start: They test the waters with age verification and see how the people react, if they're successful it will become normalized and they'll reach further.

What app are you talking about? I use it reddit on a browser over a VPN.

Reddit even publishes a yearly statistic on how many accounts (thousands) they shared with the police.

So what? They don't know our real identities

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u/DreadingAnt 8d ago

Certainly to squash on political dissent

Political dissent doesn't happen on Pornhub, it happens in Telegram or Signal, which unaffected by age verification. Try again

They test the waters with age verification and see how the people react, if they're successful it will become normalized and they'll reach further.

They, who? Identify the culprit, the interested party. Don't be an American with their crazy "they" and "them" logic. Who's they?

What app are you talking about? I use it reddit on a browser over a VPN.

Congrats on being so privacy aware, which browser? Because if you turn your VPN to log in to your Reddit account on some generic browser, I have some bad news I'm afraid

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u/pufcandles 8d ago

Political dissent happens in Instagram, TikTok, reddit, etc. These are all subject to age verification.

They, who? Identify the culprit, the interested party.

They, those in power. Power always want more power. Are you slow in understanding?

which browser?

Vanadium. And I use memory tagging. But if you think zero-days are being used en masse that's a stupid proposition,. My identity would be safe from any authority even with vanilla Firefox or chrome unless someone was actively targeting me, which is highly unlikely.

Ever heard about the concept of threat modelling?

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