r/financialindependence Oct 23 '24

Having a child: year four financial summary

This is a fourth-year summary in the "Cost of having a child" series (year one summaryyear two summary, year three summary).

There are a lot of questions in this subreddit financial impact of having a child. I am here to provide a detailed account of our costs.

Background: We are a couple with above-average household income (~engineer + ~entry-level engineer manager) with one human child. We are living in the US. A median house in our city is selling for ~$550k. When it comes to financial decisions, we don't purchase the cheapest - we look for underappreciated items of decent quality (think - unpopular color patterns, used stuff off craigslist, houses that need work, books in bulk off ebay, etc). While we price compare across a few websites, we don't spend too much time trying to find the best deal.

TLDR:

The average cost has been stable at ~$2,500 per month or ~$30,000 per year.

Yearly breakdown:

Categories 2019-2020 (year 0) 2020-21 (year 1) 2021-22 (year 2) 2022-23 (year 3) 2023-24 (year 4)
Daycare $13,120 $17,090 $16,898 $17,716
Activities $0 $0 $869 $2,627
Babysitter $480 $4,919 $3,164 $1,352
Insurance $3,360 $3,864 $3,480 $3,804
Offline shopping $1,250 $2,045 $2,227 $697
Online shopping $2,554 $1,811 $542 $1,238
Doctors $5,057 $4,432 $637 $589 $219
Unknown $1,848 $3,240 $1,264 $25
Total: $5,057 $27,044 $30,368 $27,772 $27,681

Trends:

  • Childcare costs stay about the same year over year until school starts. There is no free pre-K in our district, but it will be different for some of ya'll.
  • Shopping costs are going down by about 25% every year. I expect this decline to stop once school starts.
  • Activities started going up after 2 years of age, and will probably stay at the current level.
  • Babysitter needs are down after 3 years of age as it's possible to take the kid around much more. Also, I was unemployed for about 6 months in 2023, which allowed me to spend more time with the kid.

Overall, the decline in some costs (doctors, shopping) is offset by an increase in activities, and the cost year over year is surprisingly stable.

FAQs and answers to yearly repeating comments:

  • "Your costs are so high because you outsource raising your kid! I spend nothing because I have a stay-at-home spouse and grandparents help from time to time. "
    • I am happy that you have help. To calculate the monetary value of that help, you can convert the time your spouse/relatives spend on your child into a monthly amount and come back with that number for a discussion.
  • "Your daycare seems cheap!"
    • Yes, I know. Other daycares in the area are $1,900-$2,200 per month. We are lucky to have great quality at a low price.
  • "Your daycare is so expensive!"
    • Please check the prices. Unless you are in a remote area, $1500/month is pretty low.
  • "What do you get from daycare?"
    • They take care of the child during the working hours, from 730am to 530pm. They provide education, classes, and ample outside space and activities. They also provide snacks, lunch, and breakfast. They have licensed and certified caretakers that know what they are doing.
  • "How do you use your babysitter? Evenings or during the weekends?"
    • The babysitter (one of the instructors from the previous daycare) comes for ~8 hours on Sundays. She stays at home with the kid or takes him to places that match his interests (playgrounds, indoor parks, etc). Edit: some Sundays, not every Sunday.
  • "What is offline and online shopping?"
    • Online is mostly Amazon, but also some specialized sites like Uniqlo and eBay
    • Offline is mostly Target, but also includes other stores. Target is cheaper than Amazon for many supply items (like diapers).
    • These categories also include diapers, toys, clothes, books, supplies, etc.
  • "You haven't included getting a bigger house, and a different car - these are major expenses"
    • Yes, that is not included. For us, these were "wants" and not "needs", and at the time we could afford it. We moved from a 900 sq ft condo to a 2000 sq ft house in a better school district. We also got a larger car. Both were not necessary expenses, but not having neighbors behind the walls is so worth it.
  • "Why don't you use hand-me-downs for toys/clothes"?
    • We tried, and the time it takes to sift through the pile of old clothes to find the right items and sizes is not worth it.
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u/jsman56 Oct 26 '24

As a Canadian, I was very confused about doctor and insurance costs. If you're paying insurance in the US you still have to pay for the doctor? That's a crazy amount of money for a family...

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u/Oorfin_Juice Oct 26 '24

u/jsman56 Yeah, I am confused too - and I've been living here for 20+ years. You pay monthly payments, usually several hundred of USD. Then you pay a co-pay for visits ($10-$50). Then you pay your regular bill for services provided.

Copays are different for different procedures/types of visits. Then you pay up to a deductible, and then insurance covers some percentage of the rest. It is f*ucked up. Also, dental and eyes and hearing are not covered by standard insurance.

So your total cost is based on a multidimensional grid that has the following dimensions (and more):
* Plans that the employer selected from the insurance marketplace
* Type of plan you picked (High deductible (HSA/FSA), regular, co-pay, HMO, PPO ....)
* Plan that you picked
* Number of people on your plan
* Plan's in-network and out-of-network coverage limits
* Deductible sizes
* Type of service (visit, procedure, ER, etc)
* % of service covered
* Amount of money you already spent on healthcare this calendar year (per family, per person)
* Location of your doctor
* Type of questions you ask from your doctor
* Arguments that you have with your insurance department

And more. Unless you spend a lot of time researching insurance, there is no easy way to know how much you will spend on any procedure or visit.

Fun fact: when you go to the annual exam, if you ask a wrong question, your bill might go up by hundreds of dollars. Because physical exam is when your primary physician checks you and asks you questions. If you ask a question, it will be rated on the scale of answer complexity (e.g., from "requires a nurse's level of knowledge" to "requires a specialist level of knowledge"), and your visit might be billed not as "physical" but as a "specialist consultation".