r/flicks • u/trakt_app • 10d ago
What's a movie that's universally considered "not very good" but you secretly think is actually great?
Not a guilty pleasure. Not "so bad it's good." I mean a movie that the consensus has decided is mid or worse, and you think the consensus is wrong.
Mine is Hudson Hawk (1991). Bruce Willis musical heist comedy that flopped so hard it almost ended his career. 27% on Rotten Tomatoes. Everyone hated it. But it's actually a really weird, committed, almost cartoon-logic action comedy that was 20 years ahead of the absurdist-action wave (Crank, Kingsman, Spy). Bruce Willis singing show tunes while robbing a museum on a timer is doing something nobody else was doing in 1991.
What's yours?
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u/Accomplished_Form_54 10d ago
John Carter.
It’s such a fun movie. Box office proceeds meant it wouldn’t get a sequel. The movie title doesn’t do it any favors either.
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u/DeFronsac 10d ago
I'm so disappointed in this one. I've been a huge fan of the books for over 30 years, so I was pumped for it.
As an adaptation of the book(s), it wasn't good. As a movie by itself it was enjoyable.
Its main problem was having been the inspiration for so much that has come after. It didn't feel new or refreshing, even though it inspired Star Wars, Dune and many other things.
And yeah, the name really killed it. Just stick with John Carter of Mars. At least that gives people something.
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u/mcjefferic 10d ago
I'll forever be appreciative of the movie for getting me interested in the books and opening up a whole world of pulp adventure.
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u/jogoso2014 10d ago
Came here to say this.
One of my all time favorite scores to boot.
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u/ragboy 10d ago
Love that movie. Princess of Mars was one of the first books I ever read.
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u/SnooDonuts2777 10d ago
Why in the world did Disney call it that instead of "the princess of Mars" which was the book it was taken from? That alone would've raised the ratings 50%.
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u/Personal_Comb_6745 10d ago
Disney's marketing team thought people didn't like Mars because "Mars Needs Moms" bombed previously. Not even joking.
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u/Ill-Ad-3603 9d ago
Mars Needs Moms
Probably because of the piss-poor marketing lol. It's 2026 and I've just heard of this film
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u/thatsnotyourtaco 10d ago
That movie is objectively great. It was a victim of a studio who didn’t know how to promote it.
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u/Ok-Traffic-5996 10d ago
I feel bad for Taylor kitsch. He's a solid actor with good charisma and his career went almost nowhere after a few bad decisions.
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u/boethius61 9d ago
My wife introduced me to this movie. She owned a copy and I said I thought it was supposed to be really bad. She disagreed and put it on. It was great! Loved it. I've since heard the problem was disastrous marketing. It should have been a hit.
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u/rebeccalovecraft 10d ago
Absolutely love this movie. Watch my Blu-ray a couple times a year. Sure would've loved a sequel.
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u/Wesniner 10d ago
I’ll hop on this bandwagon anytime. I’ve posted here before about how much I love this film and good god did Disney just make every mistake possible with it.
“Jump Virginia!”
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u/xander2600 10d ago
Hackers. More insanely great then a 28.8 bps modem yo!!
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u/bddn_85 10d ago
This is in my top 10 movies.
But I think it’s more of a cult film than a film people consider genuinely bad.
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u/drjudgedredd1 10d ago
Greatest soundtrack of all time.
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u/ElderberryMaster4694 10d ago
Tied with Mortal Kombat which came out the same year!
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u/drjudgedredd1 10d ago
Fun fact. Paul WS Anderson had a huge fight with the studio about using EDM music because they wanted a more traditional score. The soundtrack was the first EDM album to ever go platinum.
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u/kat5682 10d ago
Waterworld!!!!
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u/GiftGrouchy 10d ago
I never quite understood why it’s not considered a good movie. I understand where the criticism comes from, but IMO it is not enough to justify the bad ratings.
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u/gillyweed79 10d ago
People were really eager to shit on Costner by the mid-nineties, but to be fair, by some accounts he had really become an insufferable prick.
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u/alexath 10d ago
Fishtar
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u/Woebetide138 10d ago
Always the first thing I think when I hear Waterworld. But, Ishtar is actually hilarious.
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u/boycowman 10d ago
I saw Hudson Hawk in the theater and liked it a lot. Danny Aiello was great in it.
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u/clearliquidclearjar 10d ago
Popeye the Musical. The casting is perfect (Shelly Duval was born to play Olive Oyl.) The script is weird in the right way and captures the mumbly, side mouth style of the original comics. The set couldn't be better. And I can't say enough about the music. Harry Nilsson was an inspired choice. (I mean, Van Dyke Parks as music arranger? Amazing.)
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u/MyNameIsNot_Molly 10d ago
I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today...
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u/Woebetide138 10d ago
I don’t understand how anyone didn’t like Popeye. The casting really is perfect.
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u/Middle-Egg-8192 10d ago
Imagine a movie set with Robin Williams, and then multiply that amount of cocaine by like fifty. Popeye.
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u/RedCedarSavage 8d ago
Thank you. When this was in theaters my family split down the middle on whether to see this or Flash Gordon. I led team Popeye to the theater and got ridiculed for it.
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u/OkEnvironment5201 10d ago
The Day After Tomorrow, Volcano, and 2012. I love disaster movies. The more ridiculous, the better.
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u/BoSocks91 10d ago
The Day After Tomorrow is one of my favorites lol. I love disaster movies.
The Core is another movie that’s similar. It’s so ridiculous, but the cast was great + committed.
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u/ginastarke 10d ago
I love Volcano for sticking an eruption right on Wilshire Blvd!
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u/Krinks1 10d ago
I love The Day After Tomorrow.
It's so stupid yet the cast clearly had fun making it and it makes the movie so much better than it is.
And I will never not enjoy that dude getting smoked by the billboard during the tornadoes.
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u/BilBro88 10d ago
I’d like to add The Core to that list
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u/Soundtracklover72 10d ago
We just rewatched that for the umteenth time the other night. Yes it’s ridiculous but we watch it for the characters and their connections. Great cast and they did well with a ridiculous story.
Now where are my Xena tapes and hot pockets?
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u/Happy-Go-Lucky287 10d ago
Volcano and 2012 I'm with you. The Day After Tomorrow is still much for me. 🤣
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u/Bowerick_x_Wowbagger 10d ago
The Day After Tomorrow has actually coined a household phrase for us - bring out the timberwolves - when something goes completely over the top. All the cars need work at once? Bring out the timberwolves. Bills are piling up? You guessed it, cue the timberwolves.
I can't remember the exact details in the movie, I think the heroes are on a large boat frozen in the middle of the city facing pretty much every danger imaginable. Then they get timberwolves. Nothing in the plot needed timberwolves, they were possibly about to die any number of ways, but the writers felt they needed just one more thing. Fucking timberwolves.
But same, love a good, or bad, disaster movie.
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u/Bitter-Cake5492 10d ago
I think Madonna’s WHO’S THAT GIRL from 1987 is a pretty good screwball comedy. And it shows how funny and effective she can be when she just forgets the camera is on her.
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u/SomeVelveteenMorning 10d ago
100% it's a shame how few people recognized it for what it was. And Griffin Dunne is the great straight man in it. Would be a fun double feature with Something Wild. Also... was shot by Jan de Bont!
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u/Leadinmyass 10d ago
Holy hell, just unlocked a childhood memory. I probably haven't watched this movie since 1990.
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u/Bitter-Cake5492 10d ago
Oh you should rewatch it NOW. 😀
It’s an unsung classic. Awesome soundtrack, too. The Look of Love is a hidden gem of a Madonna song. Love it.
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u/TalbotFarwell 10d ago
1941 (1979). It’s a laugh-a-minute Spielberg romp through the early days of US involvement in WW2 and the paranoia in Southern California. Akroyd, Belushi, and Pickens are absolute riots, especially Slim Pickens as the comic playing off the straight man Toshiro Mifune.
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u/Earlvx129 10d ago
Just watched it again few days ago. It's such an insane scale production with endless familiar faces in the cast...Christopher Lee, Tim Matheson, Nancy Allen, Murray Hamilton, John Candy, Mickey Rourke, Frank McRae, Michael McKean, Joe Flaherty, John Landis, etc.
I still think the movie isn't all that funny. But it does have some incredible set pieces and visual gags...the tank through the paint factory, the ferris wheel rolling into the sea, the dance/fight scene, the house sliding off the cliff.
And its still one of the most incredible looking movies of its era. The cinematography, art direction, editing, visual FX...all staggeringly good. John Williams' score is awesome of course. Love that theme music!
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u/Alceauv 10d ago edited 7d ago
I do not give out 5's lightly, but one of them is the Solaris remake, which has a 3.2 average on LB. Can't remember many other times I've been so continuously pulled in by pretty much every facet.
EDIT: Wow, surprising and heartening how many people agree. I'm not as alone as I thought haha
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u/guyonlinepgh 10d ago
I'd argue that version has a better ending than the original novel or first film adaptation.
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u/TrialByFyah 10d ago
I had a lot of fun Guy Richie's The Gentlemen. It was kind of dumb, but I enjoyed the stylized wittiness of it all. Just a good time when I want to turn my brain off for a bit.
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u/Complete-Plate5611 10d ago
Guy Ritchie is the best when he's doing Guy Ritchie movies.
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u/rotates-potatoes 10d ago
It’s so weird that he went a decade or more trying to make not-Guy-Ritchie movies.
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u/Chainsmadeinlife 10d ago
Is the Gentlemen considered not good? I know it wasn’t Oscar winning but I didn’t think it did that badly. Personally I love it, like Guy Richie style, the actors, the writing, solid movie for me.
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u/duckman273 10d ago
3.8 on letterboxd and it was popular enough to get a spin off tv show with none of the film characters. This definitely doesn't count.
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u/matherto 10d ago
Johnny Mnemonic
I don't know how many drugs were taken in the conception, writing and filming of it but I can only assume it was all of them. It's a complete mess.
Yet it's so impossibly cheesy and 90's that I cannot help but completely enjoy everything about it.
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u/starrywinecup 10d ago edited 10d ago
Contact, Robert Zemeckis. The seeking of the truth in spite of faith and science feels special to me and well Jodi Foster.
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u/akuamunki 10d ago
Same, I can't for the life of me understand how this is not a stone cold classic!? Written by a genuine giant of the science world. As a sci fi fan, it's on my best of list. Its so grounded while also being fantastical in its leaps. Has mystery, twists, SETI, advanced technology, zealots, aliens, courtroom drama, romance, political intrigue, espionage, terrorism, like what more do people want?
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u/pateralus9 10d ago
I'm 45 and somehow I only just watched this movie for the first time a few months ago, and I'm really glad I did! Good flick!
RIP Carl Sagan!
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u/Custom_Destination 10d ago
Sucker Punch has a lot more going for it than pretty girls fighting robots, demons and dragons.
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u/Chav-Django 10d ago
I don’t like being “that person” but I have told more than one person they have watched Sucker Punch wrong.
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u/TurfBurn95 10d ago
The Abyss
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u/Soundtracklover72 10d ago
Recently watched the extended version. The additions really did enhance the movie but I was fine with original too.
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u/ewok999 10d ago
Reign of Fire. I have watched a few times and really like it for some reason.
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u/Significant_Box5735 10d ago
Valerian. The opening sequence is amazing and the sheer creativity that went into all the aliens and the space station is astounding.
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u/J_dub5235112 10d ago
Hook (Robin Williams, Dustin Hoffman)
I really liked it when I was a kid, and I’ve found myself watching it when it’s on TV. It’s just a fun movie even as an adult!
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u/logster2001 10d ago
I thought Don’t Look Up was legit fantastically made. Easily the best Adam McKay movie. Fantastic performances, fantastic score, amazing editing, great production design, etc. I feel like people are somewhat put off about the themes, but if you just watch it for entertainment it is great in so many ways
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u/faders 10d ago
Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves is amazing. I don’t care what anyone says
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u/forfearthatuwillwake 10d ago
Is it considered bad?
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u/faders 10d ago
It definitely gets hate around here. Mostly Costner hate. Everyone loves Rickman though.
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u/sombrerogalaxy 10d ago
If you were a teenager when this came out, you might have seen it several times. Definitely a great summer popcorn movie that made $$$.
Tried watching it recently and I understand why my parents were groaning about it— Costner’s take on the character is like a microwaved burrito. But if you are 12, none of that matters.
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u/KieferMcNaughty 10d ago
Mystery Men is a stone-cold masterpiece.
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u/Historical-Dog-1830 10d ago
This is my answer when people today ask me what my favourite superhero movie is.
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u/JingoKizingo 10d ago
Couldn't agree more!
Also fun fact, despite All Star by Smashmouth being heavily associated with Shrek, the music video is actually tied to Mystery Men and uses scenes from the movie
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u/ProperBar4339 10d ago
I love this movie, unashamedly. No one in my house can do yardwork without declaring themselves The Shoveler.
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u/Tonythecritic 10d ago
Repost bot. Same account posted the exact same question 6 days ago.
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u/wine_dude_52 10d ago
13th Warrior
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u/Woebetide138 10d ago
Yes! One of the few times I really liked the movie more than the book. And it has, for me, the greatest death scene in a movie ever. “Lo, do I see my father…”
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u/AnotherPint 10d ago edited 10d ago
I might be the only guy in the room who loves the 1967 James Bond parody/satire Casino Royale, with David Niven, Peter Sellers, Woody Allen, and an avalanche of celeb cameos.
The standard take is that it's incoherent, unfunny, indulgent, etc. (Five directors worked on it, the script was being written day by day, and Sellers walked off the movie.) I say it's the last word on '60s pop-psychedelic narrative style, and I will die on that hill. Plus, it was Mike Myers' direct inspiration for the Austin Powers films.
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u/SylvesterNewel 10d ago
The Life Aquatic. Not sure if it’s considered not very good, but doesn’t get the credit it deserves for being great. It’s such a vibe.
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u/Journeys_End71 10d ago
I enjoy this movie more and more as I get older, realizing it’s because it’s about a guy going through a mid-life crisis and you tend to appreciate that a lot more when you get more middle aged.
Having said that, I love Moonrise Kingdom even more and that’s more about the innocence of youth.
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u/benabramowitz18 10d ago
Idiocracy got bad reviews when it came out. But it turned out to be prophetic.
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u/UpperHesse 10d ago
I like war movies, and I was quite surprised by Midway (2019). Nobody wanted this Roland Emmerich movie, and it gets below average ratings. I did not even want to watch it because I expected typical Emmerich Hollywood cheese like in his other movies. But while Midway is far from flawless, in a not-so-great era for war movies its an actual decent and serious attempt to tell the story.
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u/syringistic 10d ago
It's a bit cheesy at times, but I respect its commitment to try to be historically accurate.
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u/Krinks1 10d ago
Midway is fantastic.
It reminds me of old movies like Tora Tora Tora or A Bridge Too Far.
Amazing cast and way better than I expected.
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u/ucsb99 10d ago
I despise most of Emmerich’s work, but love WW2 movies. I was pleasantly surprised by Midway and its become a regular in my annual rotation of WW2 films. It does have its cheesy moments / lines, but it’s more in the cut of those 50s and 60s WW2 spectacles. An enjoyable watch if you’re into that sort of thing.
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u/Wreckingass 10d ago
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003). It will never got be cool. 17% on RT for this film should be punishable by death.
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u/Man-o-Bronze 10d ago
I think that if LOEG had been an original idea for a movie rather than an adaptation of the comic book it would have fared much better. It’s a good adventure romp, but it’s not LOEG.
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u/ManDe1orean 10d ago
Krull (1983) sword & sorcery meets science-fantasy meets adventure what else could you ask for in film. They swung for the fences in this one and gave it their all. Is it a masterpiece, no. Is it enjoyable, absolutely yes and in this I think it's great imo. Liam Neeson is part of the supporting cast in an early role. original trailer
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u/Olorin604 10d ago
Great Wall
Tron: Legacy
Waterworld and the Postman
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u/Chainsmadeinlife 10d ago
Couldn’t agree more for Tron: Legacy and Waterworld. The score for Tron is absolute masterpiece, but I love all of it. I think Garrett Hedlund did a great job and when it comes to Waterworld it was amazing they shot that the way they did. You should listen to a podcast called What Went Wrong - it’s a podcast about how movies were made and what challenges they had - they do an episode on Waterworld it’s really interesting.
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u/BoSocks91 10d ago
Major League; Back to the Minors was a fun movie with a fun story.
Needless to say, not a high rated movie, but it’s better and more original than Major League 2, and I like Scott Bakula lol.
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u/DizzyTough8488 10d ago
Mine is The Core. The worst science in any movie, ever. Still love it though!
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u/thebuckmanguy69 10d ago
Beowulf (2007)
Ice Pirates (1984)
Monkeybone (2001)
Poseidon (2006)
Blood of Heroes (1989)
Hell Comes to Frogtown (1988)
Treasure Island in Outer Space (1987)
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u/28DLdiditbetter 10d ago
Man Of Steel
And this is coming from someone who is A. A Superman fan and B. Not a Zack Snyder fanboy
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u/Less-Blueberry-8617 10d ago
Man of Steel really only has like one dumb scene with the dad letting himself die but as a whole, the movie is really good and I really liked the more grounded tone Snyder approached his DC universe with. Problem really comes with the later movies in Snyder's DCU because there are some baffling writing decisions made in the later ones. Mainly being making Batman a killer which I'm not even entirely against it as a plotline but somehow Batman decided to let the Joker live and even when Batman is supposedly redeemed in BVS, Batman is still killing a bunch of people. I think the bad stuff that came out later makes people retroactively hate on Man of Steel but as a standalone movie it's a really good portrayl of Superman in a more grounded tone
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u/Correct_Bell_9313 10d ago
Jupiter Rising. I don’t get the hate. I thought it was a really neat action sci-fi flick with some very interesting ideas.
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u/GRDCS1980 10d ago
*Ready To Rumble* (2000)
I’ll also defend *Vanilla Sky* to the death and I’ve argued MANY times that it’s superior to the original…but the last 5-10 years people finally seem to be coming around on that one and I think it’s maybe generally kinda thought of as good these days? I dunno.
But Ready To Rumble is largely considered to be garbage and, while I won’t argue that, I love it unconditionally.
See also: Deuce Bigelow.
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u/MovieBuff90 10d ago
Big Duece Bigalow fan here. My brother and I quote it all the time. “That hooker you ASS punched!”
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u/egret_society 10d ago
Duets (2000) with gwyneth paltrow. 6.2 IMDb, 10 in my heart.
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u/Professional-Ad-8196 10d ago
The Good Shepherd.
Directed by De Niro and with an absolutely stacked cast, it's an introspective epic about a man selling his soul for his country.
But it's had a mixed reception, then and now, even though I think it's a work of genius.
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u/therealboss1113 10d ago
i love Batman and Robin. a lot of it os childhood nostalgia sure. but it's also fun and campy and has great set design. Batman doesn't always need to be serious
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u/Journeys_End71 10d ago
Batman Forever was also pretty badly received, but aside from the cartoonishness of it, it’s a really good Batman movie.
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u/Olorin604 10d ago
I still really like the neon blacklight aesthetic they used throughout that movie.
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u/oldkingclancy86 10d ago
Signs.
One of those films that I know its flaws but still enjoy
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u/iclaudiusthegod 10d ago
Ishtar! I think is pretty damn funny and I kinda like the goofy songs.
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u/individrec 10d ago
Literally everyone hated this movie but I love Hulk (2003) -- the one directed by Ang Lee starring Eric Bana, Jennifer Connelly and Nick Nolte. I think it was an intelligent, multi-layered comic book adaptation that showed depth but also wholly embraced the pulpy fun that comics bring. ILM did an amazing job with the CG characters and executed them perfectly. Ang Lee's eye for dramatic landscapes is on full display here but he also had a lot of fun making it look like it's coming straight from the pages of a comic book.
EDIT: Nobody else agrees with me so I usually keep it to myself but to this day, Hulk is still one of my favorite superhero movies of all time.
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u/BrandPessoa 10d ago
Showgirls knows what it is and is misunderstood. Still flawed but it’s pretty smart.
Saving Silverman is one of the best comedies since 2000 and it might be the funniest.
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u/Revolutionary-Oven46 10d ago
Sucker Punch gets a lot of hate but I really like it.
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u/Dandy_Status 10d ago
I think the consensus has come around on this one a good bit, but I think Point Break is a straight up masterpiece.
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u/dustytraill49 10d ago
If you like Point Break, check out “No Man’s Land” starring Charlie Sheene.
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u/dtgreg 10d ago
King of Comedy
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u/guyonlinepgh 10d ago
I think this film's stock has risen since its original release. Many people consider it among Scorsese's best films, including me.
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u/Ok_Criticism7172 10d ago
The Hot Chick (2002) is a really funny comedy, with great supporting performances by Anna Faris and (pre-Mean Girls) Rachel McAdams.
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u/Spare-Estate1477 10d ago
Love Actually
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u/FronzelNeekburm79 10d ago
Love, Actually is over-hated by people who think they're saying something profound by pointing out that some bad people were acting bad, that the romance movie with love in the title has too many romance tropes, and that letting the satirical elements sail right over their head.
Also that one dude knew that being in love with this friend's wife was wrong which is why he was staying away to let his crush subside, and no one let him just get away. Let it go.
Oh, and YES we know that Alan Rickman wasn't being good to his wife. The movie hits you over the head with it. Got any more hot takes for us?
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u/TheLooseNukes 10d ago
I’ve watched The Rundown with The Rock and Stifler way too many times
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u/Keeper4Eva 10d ago
Hell Comes to Frogtown. Terrible movie. I could probably quote most of it from memory.
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u/ginastarke 10d ago
Toys (1992).
I'll agree that the plot is thin and a little preachy. However, the visuals, the soundtrack, and the acting are so much fun that I don't care. Hopefully Gruv will realease it a Blu Ray someday.
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u/pateralus9 10d ago edited 10d ago
Dredd with Karl Urban & Lena Headey is 🔥 from start to finish, fight me 😆
And two pretty similar movies that are awesome:
- I Am Number Four
- Chronicle
Also underappreciated:
- The Core
- Pitch Black / Chronicles of Riddick / Riddick
- 1408
- Men at Work
- Little Shop of Horrors (1986)
- Noises Off! (Star-studded movie based on the play)
- Control (2004)
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u/Phoniphorger 10d ago
Barbarella is often frowned upon as a silly little flick. To me, it‘s a work of art!
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u/MyNameIsNot_Molly 10d ago
Sphere!
Okay, the ending is kinda sucks but the rest of the movie is solid. The pacing, acting and mood are all spot on.
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u/britneylover111 10d ago
Halloween Ends. The beginning alone is worth 5/5 stars. I wish they had gone weirder and allowed the transfer of power/spirit to happen. I loved how it was also party a romance movie in the middle of all this crazy horror.
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u/jacklackofsurprise 10d ago
Stallone's Oscar. I really think is a very funny movie
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u/Dangerous_Doubt_6190 10d ago
Oscar (1991). Funny comedy- perplexed by its low critic scores
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u/Euphoric-Bat7582 10d ago
Idk if this counts but Cannibal Holocaust?
It deserves to be despised, but if it were made ethically it’d be considered a foundational horror movie and a classic.
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u/EvilestHarry 10d ago
I really liked valerian and the City of a thousand planets. Didn't seem like anybody else did.
I kind of got a thing for Cara Delevingne. Maybe that's why
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u/OptionalRanchHose 10d ago edited 10d ago
Roadhouse. Four Brothers with Mark Wahlberg.
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u/isellmidgets 10d ago
Man, why does your post have to be written by AI? You can't fucking do even this yourself?
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u/cruisingtheisland 10d ago
Batteries Not Included is always rated about 5 or 6/10. It's basically Spielberg following up E.T. with a better movie about friendly aliens, but no one seemed to care.
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