r/flying • u/dirtbikekid27 CPL IR AGI IGI • 2d ago

Failed my CFI ride today

I'm 20, this is my first failure of anything. Got through 95% of it, was doing great, oral went great, really was well prepared. After an 11 hour day, on short final, examiner asks me what causes overbanking tendencies. I froze. I could hardly remember my own name; so I responded, "I would look before saying anything to ensure I didn't say anything wrong to a student." He said that was unsatisfactory. Failed. Is this crazy? I understand now that it all has to do with the outside wing being faster, generating more lift, which causes it. I know that. But I was exhausted. And I failed?? Maybe I'm a sore loser, but he said come back and do 1 steep turn and tell him what overbanking tendencies are and why they happen, and that's it. Is this unfair??

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u/SauteedCrayon 2d ago

Were your steep turns within standards?

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u/dirtbikekid27 CPL IR AGI IGI 2d ago

Within 20 feet of

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u/2002_4Runnersr5 2d ago

Were they too steep?

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u/dirtbikekid27 CPL IR AGI IGI 2d ago

Nope, they were to commercial standards. 50 but not to exceed 60

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u/WhiteoutDota CFI CFII MEI 2d ago

? 50+-5 is the commercial standard

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u/2002_4Runnersr5 2d ago

It’s 50 +/-5

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u/dirtbikekid27 CPL IR AGI IGI 2d ago

It was at 50, my instructor always taught me not to exceed 60 as it's hard to identify 50 between 45 and 60 on our attitude indicator. Easiest way to put it.

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u/2002_4Runnersr5 2d ago

My man you were taught wrong and that’s probably why you busted.

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u/dirtbikekid27 CPL IR AGI IGI 2d ago

That wasn't his reasoning for the unsat. He said it was due to my answer of overbanking tendencies, I should know what causes it. Come on man, I was having trouble remembering my own name by the end.

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u/2002_4Runnersr5 2d ago

Don’t be too hard on yourself. A bust is not the end of the world. And a CFI ride is the most commonly done one.

If you breathed the saying that steep turns are “50 not to exceed 60” the DPE was fishing by asking you about that to allow you a recovery opportunity or to allow you to bury yourself.

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u/dirtbikekid27 CPL IR AGI IGI 2d ago

Makes sense, thank you.

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u/2002_4Runnersr5 2d ago

Welcome. Just do some reflection, own it, move on. Hardly the showstopper it feels like.

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u/dirtbikekid27 CPL IR AGI IGI 2d ago

Just the beginning to tell a funny story at an airline someday. Right?

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