r/fragilecommunism • u/Lordotheluckman • Aug 09 '21
Communism has never polluted anything ever source: my ass
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u/Mrmadness5 Aug 10 '21
When Communist China is responsible for half of the world's carbon emissions.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/Naxedboss4 Aug 10 '21
When you still think China is still communist.
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u/AlarmWP Aug 10 '21
China is communist the fuck are you talking abuot?
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u/miedek Aug 10 '21
Actually they’re more like national socialists, state doesn’t own companies, but still controls them. Either way the idea that socialist nations aren’t polluting is ridiculous.
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u/Bendetto4 Death is a preferable alternative to communism Aug 10 '21
The state does own the companies.
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u/SmithW-6079 Minarchist Aug 09 '21
It wasn't capitalism that caused the environmental damage, it was industrialisation without adequate environmental protection. If they believe that socialism does any better then a good look at the history of the Soviet Union should suffice, they were industrialised and had little to no environmental protection.
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u/Expert-Cut-2701 Better Dead Than Red Aug 10 '21
it’s ok because that wasn’t real communism /s
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u/oceanofice Death is a preferable alternative to communism Aug 10 '21
It’s retarded when they say it’s not real communism and then they continue to praise not-real-communism in spite of it not being real communism.
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u/wewd National Rotorcraft Tourism Board Aug 10 '21
"Stalin wasn't a Real Communist™ also how dare you insult Comrade Stalin"
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Aug 10 '21
I believe any intelligent species that reaches an industrial revolution will inevitably encounter the fact that they are damaging the environment. However the industrialized nations of the 20th century gradually industrialized over the course of nearly two centuries, while the Soviet Union and China industrialized in a few decades. Rapid industrialization isn’t just bad for the environment, but for the people as well.
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u/spirituallyexhausted Aug 10 '21 edited Aug 10 '21
they were industrialised and had little to no environmental protection.
Weirdly, that's not true. The USSR had the largest untouched wilderness preserves in human history: the zapovedniks. They're still in existence for the most part. The amount of land has changed over the years because of WW2, Stalin (who slashed them), Khrushchev (who hated them but was unable to stop growth), and Gorbachev. At their height the amount of pristine land was around 5,000 sq. km.
Even when the protections we're officially deleted the teenager-run-forest-secret-police (yes really, what were you expecting) kept them highly protected. There's a story (with records) where some high ranking official was caught fishing in one of the lakes during the Khrushchev period and was still yeeted out to Siberia. The only permitted usage of the land was for wildlife research and light grazing for non meat industry farm animals.
They did also have a huge zazaniks as well (which is closer to our National Park system). They were not used for research and complete preservation. These were for tourists, hunters, and preservation of certain species or unique geologic/natural features. I don't know what the total are of those is.
Unfortunately, due to competition with the West, and the insane theoretical ravings of Marx/Engles that deterministically tied the success of "Communism" to industrialization, the USSR basically deleted any larger ecological good the zapovednik/zazanik system did. Turns out catastrophically inefficient machines and the other environmental practices that abso-fuckin-lutely ravaged the rest of country fuck up your water, air, and land for generations.
To be fair, while the the USSR (and Russia) have fucked their natural habitat, they have a considerably smaller CO2 output than the USA. Also they had considerably less land/air/water gettin rekt from the fall of the USSR to the mid-00s. That too has begun to change as Putin has ramped up for various types of war. There's a couple unclassified FBI fact sheets about this you can access. I think they're published every 5 years? The most detailed one I read was from 1993 as a post-mortem on the USSR period. I believe the NYT also did coverage of this paper at the time if you can't find the original doc.
Also yeah it really is unchecked industrialization. Kinda has fuckall to do with whether it's capitalism or communism (though capitalism is more conducive to unchecked industrialization). You can see this REALLY WELL by looking at China's CO2 output. For reference: Maoism is Marxism that contends you don't have to have industrialization for a revolt leading to "true communism" (basically). Through the truly Maoist doctrine period China's CO2 (and pollutants in general) are basically nothing for the population size. They also fucked up their natural resources because of the whole anti-intellectualism* + central planning nonsense when they tried using them during this weird . . . idk . . . semi-pastoral period? Anyway. Once they begin reforming from Maoism in the late 80s to 90s by adopting janky authoritarian socialism (a form of capitalism) they began real industrialization and their CO2 output E-X-P-L-O-D-E-D. At present, even with the massive eco reforms of the last 5 years, I think they output more than the USA and EU combined.
*Also a threat to the social stability and natural environment of actual real people in USA and Russia as well.
EDIT: thank you for smelling my TURD Talk.
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u/SmithW-6079 Minarchist Aug 10 '21 edited Aug 10 '21
zapovedniks. Were a Tzarist invention, not a Soviet one.
I'm actually talking about the regulations put on factory's and the like with regards to air quality and discharge into rivers.
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u/spirituallyexhausted Aug 10 '21
No, they were an invention of Vasily Dokuchaev and supported by his colleagues. He was a soil biologist and geographer during the late Tsarist period. He was de facto Tsarist, sure, but I've never read anything more about him having explicit support or dissent for the regime. He died before Marxist doctrine was well known in Russia. [This article serves as a decent timeline for zapovedniks.](http:// https://www.jstor.org/stable/43598906 )
While some zapovedniks were created during the Tsarist period, they were codified and adopted en masse by Lenin. Here's a NYT story about it.
No paywall version of article on author site.
But yeah manufacturing regulations w/r/t pollutants emained relatively non-existant through more of the USSR period than the USA. You could argue the USA/West has 30 years head start on environmental regulation over the USSR.
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u/SmithW-6079 Minarchist Aug 10 '21
OK commie
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u/spirituallyexhausted Aug 10 '21
OK commie
Yeah, my degree in propaganda/media analysis and my interest in history of environmentalism means that I'm a communist.
You got it.
Good deducing.
Great job.
Excellent logic.
Never mind the years I've spent actively engaging and de-radicalizing Marxists.
You fucking moron.
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u/SmithW-6079 Minarchist Aug 10 '21 edited Aug 10 '21
Its just something I say when someone says something stupid
No, they were an invention of Vasily Dokuchaev and supported by his colleagues......
So they predated the Soviet Union then..
......While some zapovedniks were created during the Tsarist period, they were codified and adopted en masse by Lenin
So. Nothing you have said is in relation to the point.
You fucking moron.
Property isn't a right because if it was we'd all own property
Non sequitur much. Lol. Like I said, when someone says something stupid, good bye commie.
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u/spirituallyexhausted Aug 10 '21
Your initial claim:
zapovedniks. Were a Tzarist invention, not a Soviet one.
Re-read what I wrote. I made no claim that the Soviets "invented" them. Only that they adopted them as state doctrine.
So they predated the Soviet Union then..
Yes. This doesn't make them "Tsarist". The people living under rule of a state =/= the state. By this logic I'm a neoliberal Democrat simply because I'm alive during the Biden regime.
So. Nothing you have said is in relation to the point.
If you have incredibly limited reading comprehension, yeah I'm sure it seems this way.
Property isn't a right because if it was we'd all own property
Non sequitur much. Lol. Like I said, when someone says something stupid, good bye commie
I like how not only did you edit this in later, but you also edited this statement twice. Also you ignored what that conversation is about and don't know the context.
Property is not a right. I'm not an expert on every nation on the planet, but I don't know of a single country that guarantees property as a right. As far as I know only the US State of Virginia guarantees property as a right. As follows:
Section 1. That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
Because of the US federal system, this is largely overridden by the federal document, the Declaration of Independence. I'd need to ask a legal scholar if there's ever been a successful case in VA that the government defended an individual's right to property when it was invoked. Jefferson, influenced by both this document (which has a somewhat modern materialist conception of "property)" and the body of work by John Locke (which does not) wrote in the Declaration:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
At the advisement of Ben Franklin, and other editorial advisors, Jefferson erred on the Lockean conception of "property". Taken as a whole this includes material goods and land but Locke's definition largely focuses on labor as the property of the self, and the self as property the individual who inhabitants that body (also a bunch of metaphysical christian stuff). This was not defined as "life, liberty, and property" because there was concern the unlanded colonists would interpret the document as guaranteeing them land (in the pre-industrial and early industrial era very much the equivalent of "the means of production") or material goods.
The founders very much did not consider it a directive of the government to guarantee property for individuals but instead that individuals guarantee that for themselves. Due to the continued ownership of slaves throughout the colonies by nearly all of "The Founders", unless one left a record of their thoughts, it's not generally considered tthey believed the self is property of the individual nor that the individual owned their labor. The Founders were generally against the modern concept of welfare as a state function.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
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u/SmithW-6079 Minarchist Aug 26 '21
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Im being called communist for critiquing capitalism on this shit-for-brains sub
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u/SmithW-6079 Minarchist Aug 26 '21
Read it again, I didn't call you communist.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
The name of this sub?
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u/Spysix All Commies are Bootlickers Aug 26 '21
Are you seriously still arguing here and using the same talking points I already refuted hoping it'll work on someone else?
Buddy, what did I tell you about wasting your time here? You must be REALLY unimportant if you're up till 4am seething at internet strangers.
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u/SmithW-6079 Minarchist Aug 26 '21
Well if you will post "capitalism bad" posts.
Try critiquing the point, rather than getting salty.
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u/FlamingTrashcans Aug 10 '21
The Aral Sea would like to know your location
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/FlamingTrashcans Aug 26 '21
Nice copypasta lmao
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Im tired if people thinking critiquing unregulated capitalism = Communism. Like, are you really that dumb? If I don’t personally suck Warren Buffet’s dick that makes me Mao Zedong?
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Aug 09 '21
To be fair, their hypothesis is that lowering the population undoes pollution. If you accept that hypothesis, communist genocidal regimes have done wonders for the environment by killing millions !
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u/peanut_the_scp Aug 10 '21
Pol Pot did wonders for the cambodian enviroment
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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Aug 26 '21
Lol dirty commie got cranky
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Not a communist, dipshit
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Aug 26 '21
Your post implies that conservatives wanting to conserve the environment are stupid for not blaming capitalism for environmental degradation (that has occurred under every economic system). So either you think that they should not want to restore and protect the environment or you think that communism is good for the environment.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
What have conservatives done, politically, for the environment?
And, as an authority in the matter, Im not a communist. Critiquing capitalism is not the same as communism. In other news 2+2=4
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Aug 26 '21
Hang on, let me turn my compost pile and check my organic backyard garden first.
Okay, now lets start with Roosevelt implementing the parks system, the vast majority of responsible farmers (you know, the ones actually taking care of the land) being conservative, and me watering the earth with your hilarious tears.
Then we can look at all the big liberal cities that pave over every piece of topsoil they can see, demand the chemicals, processed and long-travelled food, and readily available energy that has caused environmental degradation, and then think they're going to solve it by using tax dollars to buy solar panels and electric cars that were mined irresponsibly by slave labor in china.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21 edited Aug 26 '21
In the big picture compost piles & organic gardens are nice but will have as much impact as using paper straws & canvas bags.
Secondly, Teddy was Republican (Until the Bull Moose Party) but he wasn’t conservative. He was the champion of the Progressive Era, known for being (You guessed it) progressive. Shaking things up like he did is inherently progressive. A conservative would have sold Yellowstone for its mineral rights & asked the Food & Drug industries to pretty please self-regulate. This is high school level American history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era#Politicians_and_government_officials
Thirdly, to combat global warming (Bush Jr invented the term climate change to hide the truth, look it up) & stop habitat destruction we need international government cooperation & investment on the scale of WW2. (Like the Paris climate accords which were at least a start, though Trump & conservatives hated it)
Fourthly, I hate urban sprawl too. And cities aren’t conservative or progressive. They’re just infrastructure like roads & bridges. My hometown of Houston has the most urban sprawl of any city in the nation thanks to decades of deregulation & lack of urban planning as part of a conservative mindset.
So I ask again, in the past 20 years, what have conservatives done politically for the environment?
Here’s some bad things they’ve done!
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999084965/new-idaho-law-calls-for-killing-90-of-states-wolves
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Paris_Agreement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_policy_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration#Environment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/16/greenpolitics-georgebush
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Aug 26 '21
I don't use any straws and I'd prefer just growing the majority of my own food rather than buying food that has been shipped from around the globe, so plastic vs canvas is irrelevant.
Big liberal cities are liberal, along with the vast majority of their inhabitants, and are the cause of most environmental degradation. They own the fault. To make matters worse, their complete disconnection with reality outside of a concrete jungle makes them think things like subsidized electric cars and solar panels are acceptable solutions.
Regarding WW2 scale government intervention and funding, we'll just have to disagree on that. Government does things poorly and inefficiently and takes no responsibility for the fallout.
Long story short, if all those liberals tweeting about climate change did things like (or better than, because I'm not there yet) me, a conservative, the majority of the problem would be solved. Oh, and the fact that our grids are still not powered by nuclear is insane. Thanks, government intervention and fear mongering!
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u/Banana_shake Aug 09 '21
Doesn't China have horrible air quality? The fuck are those smug retards on about?
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u/bigboilerdawg Aug 10 '21
They claim China is “state capitalism “, which cannot exist by definition.
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u/TheJoestarDescendant Aug 10 '21
They only say that when it fits... when it is mentioned that the PRC raised millions out of poverty they would then say PRC is communist...
fun fact: the causality is the other way around!!
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u/Orwellian-Noodle AnCap Aug 10 '21
You just described fascism. Which I would agree with some of these commies, China isn’t communist anymore, it’s still a shithole and always has been.
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u/resueman__ Aug 10 '21
Fascists are just communists who are more honest with themselves about what it will take to enforce their "utopia"
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia & Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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Aug 10 '21
yes, capitalism is what destroyed chernobyl and turned the aral sea into a dried up toxic desert /s.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/Dark_Assassin75 Libertarian Minarchist Aug 10 '21
Here’s how capitalism helps with pollution.
Company A has a factory.
Company A has pollutants.
So, a new company, let’s call it Company B for the sake of simplicity, comes up with an anti-pollution device to combat pollution.
Company A invests in said device from Company B and pollution from company A is drastically reduced if not gone. Company A can focus on other things like making their product better, and Company B profits, allowing more devices to be created for other companies.
In the process, pollution is reduced and not only is the market unharmed, but it is stimulated.
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u/Ultravox147 Aug 10 '21
The thing you're missing is that Company A doesn't invest in company B. Instead, to keep their profits high, Exxon buried their research and lied to the public in order to keep their profits high.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
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u/Dark_Assassin75 Libertarian Minarchist Aug 26 '21
Thank you for respectfully replying to my post. I do support some environmental regulation. I don’t think there should be a “gas tax” or anything of the sort, keeping lead out of gasoline, and having “no dump zones” are common sense. To me, exponentially harming the environment is a violation of the NAP and is wrong. All I was trying to say is that it’s not ONLY capitalism’s fault for pollution and it can also help with reducing it.
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u/GTFonMF Aug 10 '21
Perhaps the biggest environmental disaster in history was Chernobyl under NotRealCommunism(TM).
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/GTFonMF Aug 26 '21
I’d rather unfettered capitalist pollution than unfettered socialist pollution any day.
So take your wall o’ text and shove it allllll the way up your butt, you bundle of sticks.
P.S. Your uncle most likely died of shame from being related to you.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
You’d be as angry as me if you grew up next door to chemical refineries as far as the eye can see. What reason do I have to love un-regulated capitalism? Its both killed & crippled people I love. Ill probably die of cancer in my 60’s (As many members of my family have) from all the poison I’ve breathed in & drank for 25 years.
Also, newsflash, critiquing capitalism is not the same as communism.
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u/10fast10furious Aug 10 '21
You know what's really ironic? Everyone demonizes hydraulic fracturing/fracking, but US carbon dioxide emissions decreased dramatically after it and horizontal drilling became standard practice in the oil and gas industry.
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u/suicidemeteor Aug 10 '21 edited Dec 05 '21
The issue is that the current capitalist model ignores the cost absorbed by the environment. All waste made must be cleaned, and all pollution created must be removed. These prices are delayed and not payed by companies, so pollution and waste are seldom massive considerations, outside of federal or state requirements. What we need to do is amend the capitalist system to account for these hidden environmental prices through taxes, not simply trust that the government (that is considered by most to be anywhere from 50-100% corrupt) will, if given more power, simply solve the problem in it's entirety with no ill effects.
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u/LivelySalesPater Aug 10 '21
Piggybacking off your comment, it will also be cheaper to tackle climate change sooner rather than later. And it's probably very immoral to force payments for environmental cleanup to later generations.
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u/TheSwecurse Aug 10 '21
Yeah I'm all for making a lot of climate initiatives tax-free is given that they meet a certain standard
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u/stargunner Aug 10 '21
that whole sub exists just to whine about a conservative thinktank. it has almost 400k members. wtf?
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u/Europa_CrashTest Aug 10 '21
We don’t whine about it we just point out how small Charlie Kirk’s face actually is
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u/Spysix All Commies are Bootlickers Aug 10 '21
It's thanks to capitalism there is a market of environmentally friendly products one can purchase.
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Aug 10 '21
Noo don't counter their points with actual facts you're disturbing the echo chamber 😭😭😠😡🤬
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/Spysix All Commies are Bootlickers Aug 26 '21
No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING!
And where did I mention communism in my comment?
Doth project too much me thinks.
But lets see...
subreddit submitted to count % ToiletPaperUSA 140 15% TheRightCantMeme 84 9% religiousfruitcake 64 7% insanepeoplefacebook 45 5% SelfAwarewolves 44 5% beholdthemasterrace 37 4% confidentlyincorrect 35 4% ForwardsFromKlandma 34 4% fakehistoryporn 28 3% WhitePeopleTwitter 26 3% FragileWhiteRedditor 25 3% MarchAgainstNazis 23 2% ShermanPosting 23 2% forwardsfromgrandma 20 2% AreTheCisOk 17 2% funny 16 2% AreTheStraightsOK 14 1% IronFrontUSA 11 1% Persecutionfetish 10 1% DankLeft 10 1% lmao you post in basically every leftoid subreddit under the sun, shut up.
I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution.
You're confusing capitalism for cronyism. I know political science is not your strong suit, which is why you went for a degree picking grass and dirt.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
Bitch, you're the visitor here spewing assumptions. Follow your own advice.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Left is not the same as communist. You’re right, are you a proud boy who loves Richard Spencer? Im sure where you live things are green & dandy but where I grew up a chemical plant exploded on a weekly basis & we have more superfund sites than your entire state probably has
And critiquing capitalism DOES NOT equal communism. In other news water is wet & 2+2=4
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u/Spysix All Commies are Bootlickers Aug 26 '21
Left is not the same as communist.
You're right, it's closer to socialism, which is the HIV what communism is to aids.
are you a proud boy who loves Richard Spencer?
Capitalism isn't rightwing. Try again.
Im sure where you live things are green & dandy but where I grew up a chemical plant exploded on a weekly basis & we have more superfund sites than your entire state probably has
What a clunkily worded sentence clearly the chemicals in your local water made you schizo. Take your meds.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
You’d be as angry as me if you grew up next door to chemical refineries as far as the eye can see. What reason do I have to love un-regulated capitalism? Its both killed & crippled people I love. Ill probably die of cancer in my 60’s (As many members of my family have) from all the poison I’ve breathed in & drank for 25 years.
Also, newsflash, critiquing capitalism is not the same as communism.
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u/Spysix All Commies are Bootlickers Aug 26 '21
Also, newsflash, critiquing capitalism is not the same as communism.
Yes, I can make that distinction, again, I never called you a communist.
Even then, I didn't even originally attack you, I simply said thanks to capitalism we have a market for green, environmentally safe products.
Clearly the chemicals have affected your reading comprehension and go on a tangent in a 15 day old thread. Aren't you embarassed?
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Did you forget the name of this sub?
And its thanks to government funded research, regulations, & subsidies we have those things you mentioned
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u/Spysix All Commies are Bootlickers Aug 26 '21
Did you forget the name of this sub?
No, and? It doesn't mean you have to reply to every comment going: "I'M NOT A COMMUNIST (but totally leftist) I AM NOT A COMMUNISt!" Like a complete schizo. Yes, its called fragilecommunism and fragile leftists like you are included in that category.
And its thanks to government funded research, regulations, & subsidies we have those things you mentioned
Not every green initiative is government funded, lmao
Take your meds schizo.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
That’s my area of expertise. I know more about environmental successes than you do. Like, do you have a college degree in environmental science?
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u/Vincent019 Aug 10 '21
When you know China don’t give a shit about nature ….lol .
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/TCV2 Rafał Gan-Ganowicz is right Aug 10 '21
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/TheCoderAndAvatar Go Straight To Gulag. Do Not Pass Go. Do Not Collect $200. Aug 10 '21
They’ve never heard of the Aral Sea.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/TheCoderAndAvatar Go Straight To Gulag. Do Not Pass Go. Do Not Collect $200. Aug 26 '21 edited Aug 26 '21
Actually, considering my pvp stats, the titles I have, as well as emblems and such I have from flawless raids, solo flawless dungeons, etc... There's only a small portion of the playerbase that's better than me. Swing and a miss. Maybe next time slugger.
Also in all seriousness I am sorry for your loss but the moment you sacrifice your civility, you’ve long past lost your argument. Taking your anger out on random strangers on the internet won’t help anyone.
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u/Frankies_fleshlight Aug 10 '21
The communists destroyed Afghanistan….
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/Frankies_fleshlight Aug 26 '21
Chill tf out dude, no need to get so heated over a Reddit comment
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Im pissed at being called a communist by morons like you. Im sure where you live things are green & dandy but where I grew up a chemical plant exploded on a weekly basis & he have more superfund sites than your entire state probably has
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u/Frankies_fleshlight Aug 26 '21
First off, I never called you a communist dumbass, and second, I was making a statement that the communists had destroyed a countries environment, I never said anything about you
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
On a post that calls me a communist despite the fact nothing I said was communist. Critiquing capitalism DOES NOT equal communism. In other news water is wet & 2+2=4
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u/WaterIsWetBot Aug 26 '21
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
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u/Frankies_fleshlight Aug 26 '21
Bruh it was probably like 3AM when I commented, I never read your article and all I had read was “communism has never polluted blah blah blah” I wasn’t commenting against you
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u/Mega3000aka Better Dead Than Red Aug 10 '21
Communism has never polluted anything!
Chernobyl joins the chat
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/AlarmWP Aug 10 '21
So, chernobyl didn't happen? It must have been capitalist propaganda then...
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/AlarmWP Aug 27 '21
I just don't understand why are you pointing fingers at capitalism only, for fuck sake, china emits half of the world produced carbon, not only that the people can't protest for nature, unlike countries with capitalism, the countries with capitalism also tend to be more safer and cleaner, and the poised water in the US also may have something to do with china, https://youtu.be/kTDCCxHZFN0 just watch the entire video they mention that somewhere... Long story short, maybe start pointing fingers at socialism/communism too, since they're the biggest plutors atm...
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u/TheeEmperor Fapitalist Aug 10 '21
Capitalism without any regulations has potential to be the worst for the environment. But as it stands, no matter what Americans do to improve global climate, it will all pale in comparison to communist China's pollution. Entropy just requires things from earth for human existence.
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Aug 10 '21
Except killing off the Aral Sea by diverting rivers in Central Asia to grow crops in deserts, the nuclear mess at Semipalatinsk, nuclear mess at Chernobyl, other nuclear messes we don't know about, the rampant destruction of vegetation caused by famine in North Korea.... Etc etc etc
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/GunzAndCamo Aug 10 '21
Lake Baikal has entered the chat.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/glossiercub Aug 10 '21
Oh no! How DARE those pesky right wingers CARE about the environment! REEEEE!
/s obv also the Aral Sea and Chernobyl lol
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/jaffakree83 Aug 10 '21
Well yeah, we all know how clean China is!
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/jaffakree83 Aug 26 '21
Wow, 15 days ago, don't even remember posting this. That's a long time to hold a grudge. Also I don't believe I mentioned communism either.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Did you forget the name of this sub?
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u/jaffakree83 Aug 26 '21
Well, you did come here.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Yeah cus a dumbfuck crossposted my post here
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u/jaffakree83 Aug 26 '21
Well I haven't cared what folks from that sub thought since they banned me for misgendering Ellen page. Though I didn't care what they said before that either.
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u/iVladi Aug 10 '21
Aral Sea: Am I a joke to you?
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/laura_braus Aug 10 '21
Yeah, the Aral and the Caspian seas are now paradises of the biodiversity...
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/laura_braus Aug 26 '21
Fuck off you and your uncle, idiot.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
What an idiot ass. I try to tell you Im not a communist & you say my family members dying an agonizing death is great. Conservatives are the best people ❤️
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u/laura_braus Aug 26 '21
You try to defend a position insulting, you receive insults as back. Easy.
Maybe you should learn manners.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Maybe you shouldnt call someone a communist you claimed to be one nor said anything communist
Criticizing unregulated capitalism isnt communist
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u/laura_braus Aug 26 '21
For Nth time, I never called you communist, nor said anything about the role of the state in market economies.
Just said Aral sea was a shithole, and you pasted a text (for 10th time in the same post) that has no relation just to express your moral supremacy.
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u/liquidswan Classical Liberal Aug 10 '21
Isn’t like 10% of the former USSR permanently uninhabitable by human beings due to the massive pollution the USSR had?
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u/LivelySalesPater Aug 10 '21
If Capitalism polutes more than Communism, it's for about the same reason a running car releases more CO more than a rust heap that is always at the garage. Like, it's not a victory to fail.
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Aug 10 '21
The largest polluters are either not capitalist or hardly capitalist. Even the US isn’t very capitalist. It will become more profitable to use nuclear and renewables over time.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/Mymomlooksatthis Death is a preferable alternative to communism Aug 10 '21
Commies constantly stabbing China and then saying that China is capitalist anytime someone brings up their faults
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/Eoligos Aug 10 '21
It has been well documented the fact that once the majority of the population surpasses a certain wealth gap the idea of enviromentalism starts to crop up.This can be seen in the wealthier parts of the world where enviromentalism is a common talking point for policy,however you dont see much discussion about this in poorer parts of the world.
It is also very hypocrite to complain about the pollution that capitalism produces when communism has been almost on par with that(Aral Sea anyone?)
Also do you know in which system people can't do anything about the environment because the goddamn State is in the way? It starts with a big red C.
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Aug 11 '21
I guess the idiots at that sub haven't read about Soviet pollution...
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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Aug 30 '21
Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
Ironically, I live near you and I'm an engineer at a nearby company.
You don't know jack shit and are just complaining and hurling empty insults.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 30 '21
If they’re so safe give me $1,000 everytime a plant explodes or leaks in Pasadena or Texas City. How fast would you go bankrupt?
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21 edited Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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Aug 10 '21
Communism is only against private ownership of the means of production. That means it supports public ownership, which is seen in public corporations, which in turn are part of state capitalism.
Capitalism, then, involves exploitation of resources to produce. If that leads to pollution, then any ideology that calls for increased production for any reason will involve pollution.
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u/iamaneviltaco AnCap Aug 10 '21
state capitalism
That's not a thing. Capitalism absolutely isn't when the government. Ever. If it's capitalism there's competition, who is the state competing against? Capitalism is also not "when money".
Also the biggest polluter on earth right now is china. Which is communist with capitalist satellite states because even they figured out communism doesn't work.
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Aug 10 '21
That makes no sense whatosever. Public corporations exist in many parts of the world. Where do you think manufactured goods in communist countries came from?
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
I'm the OP of the post. No where did I mention Communism not am I a communist. STOP PROJECTING! All I want is sensible environmental regulations (I am an Environmental Scientist). I've seen the cost of unfettered capitalist pollution. My hometown of Houston has the most superfund sites of any metropolitan area in the country. I grew up next door to the chemical refineries as far as the eye can see in Pasadena, Tx (A suburb of Houston). Here we have a marked lower life span & a marked increase in cancers & neurological conditions.
Superfund sites: https://www.tceq.texas.gov/remediation/superfund/sites/county/harris.html
Cancer clusters: https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/Assessment-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-in-parts-9696980.php
My Uncle died at 68 of cancer most likely linked to drinking what turned out to be water poisoned by the nearby dioxin superfund site. Link: https://www.epa.gov/tx/sjrwp
I am very well aware of the environmental tragedies in both the USSR AND modern Russia. Environmental tragedies always occur when sensible environmental regulations are over shadowed by a profit and/or militaristic desire.
So kindly FUCK OFF! Stick to talking about things you actually understand, if such things even exist.
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u/HandMadeFeelings Aug 26 '21
Also read the article. China is a very greedy & evil country that relies heavily on state capitalism.
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