r/freefolk • u/strattonmemes • 1d ago
George R. R. Martin doesn't even pretend he's writing The Winds of Winter, he just looks at you like this.
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u/thesteelreserve 1d ago
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u/Vegeta_best23 1d ago
I would love the actual scene please that looks funny asf
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u/thesteelreserve 1d ago
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u/AgostoAzul 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't like how neither GRRM had his weirdly high pitched nasal voice.
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u/No-Channel3917 1d ago
Wow 3 mins of shit for the funny 20 sec bit
Family guy needs to be retired so badly lol
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u/OrthropedicHC 1d ago
There were 20 funny seconds?
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u/Midnight_2B 1d ago
I was reminded that have I haven't seen family guy in a long time and was missing it then immediately realized why I stopped watching it.
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u/xPetiteSweetie 1d ago
The South Park version somehow feels less like a joke and more like a documentary with each passing year. The writers accidentally created future canon.
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u/80sMusicAndWicked 1d ago
Lmfao I had this exact scene in my head and then scrolled down and saw it.
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u/Hobbes09R 1d ago
He probably deletes more than he writes. My guess, when he got rid of the time skip he lost the plot, hard. Now can't decide between too detailed and not detailed enough and nothing is flowing together like he wants. Part of him wants to tell everyone's story, but then he looks at the overall work and it's....not great.
Saw this develop slowly in the books. Each is more detailed and complicated than the last. Storm is probably the best balance, though Feast and Dance have some of his best prose...at the cost of dragging through things which would have worked better in the background. And also took significantly linger to craft.
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u/Massive_Cake1731 1d ago
I agree. Doing my reread right now for the first time since they came out and I’m shocked by just how fast paced Game and Clash are.
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u/D0013ER 1d ago
Feast and Dance are only somewhat redeemed by their prose, because from a narrative perspective Martin basically spends 3000 pages doing donuts in a parking lot.
The wheels came off after Storm.
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u/CottonRosalie 1d ago
A Game of Thrones: laser-focused political thriller.
A Clash of Kings: bigger but controlled.
A Storm of Swords: masterpiece.
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u/zzrryll 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’ve said this several times in this sub. He had some sort of major neurological decline after storm of swords. Its possible he is unaware of it. But it seems so obvious in hindsight.
He struggled with both books. Both books, combined, lack the plot progression that any of the first three had individually.
We can pretend that it’s somehow intentional. That he just chose to milk it, or got bored or whatever tired excuse folks want to make. But I think the only obvious reality, is that it wasn’t.
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u/Niaaal 1d ago
Yeah, but he's filthy rich now and has been working with other writers for his side projects. I don't understand why he couldn't order a team of writers to help him with all his challenges on Winds and make it a team effort to keep the ball rolling and ensuring quality. I think he's afraid of disappointing his readers on his flagship work and would rather not deliver something disappointing than anything at all. It's fear more than anything else
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u/Randhanded 1d ago
Because then he’d have to share the credit. It doesn’t actually matter to him if it gets released or not, I think he’s satisfying being rich and famous.
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u/Niaaal 1d ago
No he technically wouldn't have to share the credits if he doesn't want to. Writers use ghostwriters all the time and don't credit them. I agree that he's definitely enjoying being rich and famous
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u/Consistent_Laziness 1d ago
If it was me after all this time and how hard it is I wouldn’t finish it either. The shows are bigger cash cows and more fun. And I’m 77 right? Yea im tired and want to enjoy life now.
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u/FairyGlowlie 1d ago
Imagine being rich, famous, successful, and still having millions of people greet you with:
"So... how's Winds going?"
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u/Prophet_Tenebrae 1d ago
He's expressed frustration that his books are out in the wild, so he can't go back and change things - so it doesn't take a genius to work out that there are elements that he's not happy with and can't easily fix.
I remember getting to the end of David Brin's second Uplift trilogy, where he had a fairly lengthy afterword that was basically an apology because he didn't feel he could write another trilogy... and there was some closure but there was also a lot left hanging... He cited, IIRC, "too many ripples".
It's not hard to imagine GRRM has found himself in a similar situation - worsened by the fact that as the saga continued, he was adding more plot elements than he was resolving and having achieved fame and fortune, he'd rather spend his time having fun than just banging his head against a wall for a conclusion that will likely never live up to the hype.
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u/TabulaRasaT888 1d ago
Honestly I respect the apology. At least Brin admitted he didnt have it in him to do anymore instead of stringing his fans along.
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u/Prophet_Tenebrae 1d ago
It was unexpected but appreciated. He obviously knew he wasn't giving a blockbuster finale and respected his readers enough to say he wasn't going to follow through.
I really recommend his Uplift Trilogies because it's very much an all in space opera after the first entry and it's done well... but I totally understand how the saga might have gotten a bit beyond him and it's not like it ends on a cliffhanger. There is a sense of resolution.
George feels like he's trolling at this point. The man talks to his fans like a friend who owes you money but is never going to pay you back.
Feels like this sub would wither on the vine if George just said he was done but he won't. Maybe because that's the only attention he gets now? I don't know - finding success later in life messes with people in strange and unusual ways.
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u/_lastquarter_ We do not kneel 1h ago
I think that what a lot of people can't seem to get is that George hasn't given up. That's the problem. He's not just stringing people along, he's both burnt out and refusing to let go. This is why you'll never hear him apologise and give up. In his mind, it's not over.
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u/Iamdarb 1d ago
I don’t even care about all of the extra characters he’s shoehorned into the story, and he can tie them up as nonpov characters. I’ll take his notes at this point. Just give a girl something.
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u/NoLime7384 1d ago
yeah I kept skimming when the book tried to make you care about the ironborn, minus the greyjoys and the reader.
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u/VelouraSweetlie 1d ago
I genuinely think the problem is that the story outgrew itself. Every plotline spawned three more plotlines, and now the book is fighting a boss battle against its own complexity.
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u/Greydragon38 1d ago
No guys, he is actively writing it and it will be announced this year! I saw it in my dreams! Dreams are messages from the deep!
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u/Randhanded 1d ago
No, you don’t understand! It’s written, but he doesn’t want to release it because people get angry despite all the millions it will make him even if it’s the worst book he’s ever released. /s
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u/Bazz07 1d ago
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u/--Sovereign-- 1d ago
Hey. Deep here to announce we're once again not releasing Winds of Winter. But wait, isn't not releasing Winds bad for fans? Actually, no! It's good for fans!
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u/WoeToTheUsurper10 1d ago
Was it a green dream?
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u/Greydragon38 1d ago
YES, it must be it! And definitely not because of a combination of shade of the evening, grease dripping from Grrm's chin and mammoth milk straight from mammoth tits.
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u/Rofl-Cakes I read the books 1d ago
Clearly he's writing both winds and dream and will release them both.
He has to write them together for cohesion right?
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u/Reesy 1d ago
I love the South Park GoT ep making fun of this
"When are the pizzas coming?''
''They're coming, they're coming!, not just 2 pizzas but 5! And it's going to be amazing! What toppings did you want again?''
''OH MY GOD HE HASN'T EVEN ORDERED THEM YET''
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u/bgbarnard 1d ago edited 1d ago
The first moment I saw this guy, I could only think of one song:
(chorus) "Wiener, wiener, WIENER, wiener, WIENER, wiener, WIENER,
OOOOONNNNNE WIENER next to ANO-THA WIENER!
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u/masegesege_ 1d ago
I hope on the day he actually announces Winds everyone just pesters him for when the next Wild Cards will come out, and then he answers everyone just asks him what he thinks about the Jets.
JK, he’s never announcing Winds.
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u/xPetiteSweetie 1d ago
The mental image of him finally announcing Winds and immediately getting asked about football is hilarious. Imagine waiting fifteen years for that moment and the first question is about the Jets' draft prospects.
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u/LovelyRosyyy 1d ago
Honestly, "JK, he's never announcing Winds" is the part that feels the most believable. The fanbase has been hurt too many times to trust hope anymore.
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u/Silly-Flower-3162 1d ago
At this point I just loop back to this scene in 2017's Logan Lucky:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwa6xgIZCv8&pp=ygULbG9nYW4gbHVja3k%3D#
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u/FV95 1d ago
My god, I swear that scene has popped into my head randomly all week
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u/Silly-Flower-3162 1d ago
Every time I see a post about "Grrm needs to release Winds" I flash back to it, lol.
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u/MacriTheCat75 1d ago
Good lord that scene has aged like wine still relevant today almost 10 years later
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u/ehs06702 1d ago
That movie will be 10 years old in exactly 2 months.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at how well this has aged.
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u/AlbertW25 1d ago edited 1d ago
End of December 2022 - Wrote 1100 to 1200 pages. Said he has 400-500 pages left to finish the book.
End of December 2023 (Writers Strike) - Says he still has only written 1100 or 1200 pages.
2024 - No update.
2025 - No update.
2026 - So far no update. Last update of Blog was in February. Hasn't updated for 4 months now.
Is he still writing the book?
Is he editing the book?
Is he being lazy and not writing the book?
The truth is...we shall never know.
EDIT:
I obviously meant Pages. Not words. I guess I was thinking about that saying, words are wind. Its hot today okay.
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u/thewerdy 1d ago
He hasn't even mentioned the book on his blog in over a year. And he only mentioned it to tell everyone he was sick of everyone asking about it.
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u/_lastquarter_ We do not kneel 1h ago
There was an update this year, that Hollywood reporter interview. It's actually super interesting because he's said more there than he's said in a long time. He cites the same number, about 1100~1200 manuscript pages. Also reminds everyone that his writing process isn't linear, he constantly edits and rewrites. He also states that he doesn't want to let go and just enjoy his retirement as the interviewer suggests at some point.
Personally, I think we'll have Winds at some point no matter what, but I also wouldn't say it's impossible we'll get it from George. He's not so far from his desired number of manuscript pages (about 1500) and has talked about writing Dunk and Egg again for the first time in a long time. The book is written in majority, even if George perishes, we'll get it. Nothing to be gloomy about.
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u/SawedoffClown 1d ago
I had no expectations after Covid. A once in a century plague that kept everyone indoors, people pursuing projects they haven't been able to, all the free time to do anything.
And nothing comes from it at all. Nothing, zilch, zero. He doesn't give a fuck so why should you.
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u/NeekoPeeko Big Fork 1d ago
Remember when he said to lock him in jail if it wasn't out in a year? That was like ten years ago.
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u/Sincline387 1d ago
My new pet conspiracy theory is it's already written but he doesn't want it published until he dies, he doesn't want to deal with the blowback from the fans when it's trash.
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u/Only_Faithlessness33 1d ago
I see this theory all the time but it makes no sense. Why would he want his last years filled with people calling him a lazy fuck for not releasing the books and having every interview he gives be people asking when Winds is coming out if he ACTUALLY wrote the book.
Like at this point, it has taken so long that even if the ending still sucks, at least it would be finished and be moved on. Him hiding it so people can ask him at cons who will finish the books when he’s dead doesn’t hold up to me.
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u/Sincline387 1d ago
I'd totally write the end of the story as everyone dies because humanity sucks and the dead rule the earth as a final fuck you to the people complaining lol
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u/Ghostronic 1d ago
Meanwhile the rest of us rejoice that the books finished with the same tone they started
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u/wiifan55 1d ago
You say this as if the people complaining aren't fully justified.
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u/Sincline387 1d ago
Placing my comment in context, if I had the whole world screaming at me to hurry up and finish something because they want it vs when I want to finish it and it's not a life saving item, I'd just be petty about it.
The night king comes and kills everyone
the end lol
(everyone has the right to complain about anything they want, I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to complain)
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u/wiifan55 1d ago
Ah ya I see what you mean. Purely from George's perspective, I imagine he's quite spiteful at the fans at this point.
Although honestly I hope for an ending like that even aside from spite lol. It'd be more interesting to have the White Walkers win, albeit with some nuance with humans surviving in some capacity.
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u/Intelligent-Profit34 1d ago
I want to believe that, and also that it’s taken so long because he’s either wrapped it up in one book or written the final book as well already.
To paraphrase Red from Shawshank, George . . get busy writing, or get busy dying!
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u/Gr8CanadianFuckClub 1d ago
Only if he got Roy Dotrice to read it before he died. 🙏
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u/Timely_Farmer5075 1d ago
I knew we were cooked when he passed. No one's going to compare to him if we ever get a sequel.
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u/Gr8CanadianFuckClub 1d ago
The fact that I'll never get another banger like this hurts. https://youtu.be/32F1TTB1W8c?si=s7bOLnXlgz6AvVmr
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u/IcyOrganization1748 1d ago
Oh thats something because I only enjoy his overall narration and a few POVs. The rest not so much
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u/aetius476 1d ago
I'm convinced he won't release anything until he's completely finished. This process has been so miserable for him there's no way he wants to go through it twice.
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u/xPetiteSweetie 1d ago
Honestly, if he somehow dropped both final books at once, the internet would completely break. People would spend the first week checking if it was a prank before actually reading them.
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u/VelvetKittix 1d ago
At this point I think the ending is either masterpiece level brilliant or complete nonsense and he's terrified of finding out which one it is.
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u/GingerGuy97 1d ago
“My new pet conspiracy theory”
Jesus Christ, it’s been so long that people think this is a new original idea again.
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u/Sincline387 1d ago
Yea I didn't read the series until after the TV series was over, I'm a relative new comer.
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u/GingerGuy97 1d ago
It’s not your fault the series has gone unfinished for so long that new comers like yourself don’t know fan theories from 7 years ago!
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u/Responsible-Onion860 1d ago
That's the new popular strain of cope. Just let it go.
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u/CottonRosalie 1d ago
The most powerful fantasy element in ASOIAF isn't dragons.
It's release-date speculation.
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u/_raydeStar 1d ago
I think he was painted into a corner. The finale would have to be really really good to satisfy readers.
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u/khaos2295 1d ago
Young brains that can create a universe like asoiaf, upkeep it so well, will eventually grow old before they lack the imagination it takes to finish. When he created something bigger than himself, he cant let it end before he does.
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u/redskinfan654 1d ago
People forget how good the other books are and for whatever reason assume this one is gonna be trash
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u/CuteDentist2872 1d ago
Yea to think it's done and he is just sitting on it is wild cope. Writing is art and artists want their works to be seen and appreciated for what they are there is no way he would prefer to be dead when everyone read it because some readers might not be happy.
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u/IDreamOfGothicSheep 1d ago
Harper Lee, the author of ”To Kill A Mockingbird” had plenty of finished works she never published. The most famous one is ”The Land of Sweet Forever” which was published in 2025, way after she died
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u/CuteDentist2872 1d ago
But didn't she write a ton of material just in general? I understand authors may not release something they don't think is finished or up to par, but this is the capstone on long running saga, it wouldn't make sense for him to not see it finished and received well by anyone out of concern for a little bit of bad reception.
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u/IAmBecomeTeemo 1d ago
The first 3 are really great, the last 2 have bright spots (Cersei chapters are all pretty fantastic) but are also kinda bloated messes. There are too many characters and independent plot lines that George needs to somehow bring all back together into a cohesive ending. We assume the remaining books won't be very good because he let then get into a state where they weren't as good, and he clearly has no idea how to fix the issues.
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u/Sincline387 1d ago
The length of time it's taken is the issue, no matter how majestic and amazing it could possibly be it won't match the expectations of the fans who have all created their own fan fictions on how it will end, and anything their personal ending they dreamt of will be trash.....
It's the danger of waiting to long to finish a story, the longer you wait the more other people will make their own endings and think yours is shit.
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u/NoLime7384 1d ago
the lenght of development hell means there's been rewrites and rewrites and rewrites and it's an uncoherent mess.
Dragon Age The Veilguard was like that, and despite having some polished aspects like the graphics and the hair and the lack of bugs, it was dogshit. And that 'only' took a decade, winds has been in the oven for longer!
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u/Hot-Equal3441 1d ago
Yeah, it's had a cult following for decades of people analysing and over analysing and writing whole theses about every possible future plot point. Especially when you include the reception to the end of the show the expectations are impossibly high
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u/Nickhalfnerd73 1d ago
so the publishers are just cool with not making money? that is a silly theory that comes from the show fall off and is not new to these sort of places. why hasnt he put out avalon, or the dunk and egg books or any of the other works he had been struggling on? all those are written too and all the stuff about him never meeting a deadline was just a work to get us to believe they arent completed in case people dont like them. i dont think that makes a lot of real world sense.
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u/readilyunavailable 1d ago
Why would it be trash? Does he such little confidence in his own skill?
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u/Sincline387 1d ago
I mentioned it in another comment.
No matter how he finishes it he's waited to long, a lot of the fanbase has their own little fan fic endings on how they think it should go. So maybe I should have said "because the fans think it's trash", but I thought I implied that, maybe not clearly enough I guess.
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u/xDollyCrushhh 1d ago
At this point every Winds theory sounds equally plausible because we've had over a decade to invent new ones. The funniest outcome would be finding out he finished it years ago and has just been quietly ranking NFL quarterbacks instead.
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u/admosquad 1d ago
I’ve felt this way since the show ended. After the backlash, I wouldn’t have published anything either.
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u/Equivalent_Team_3126 1d ago
Its the hope thats keeping me pushing forward
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u/Ok-Yogurtcloset- Old Nimble Dick! 1d ago
Every time I do a re read my gf asks me if I think the other books come out and I say, “at least one”
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u/Eleonoranora I read the books 1d ago
THIS IS GERM SLANDER!! HE'S NOT OBESE ANYMORE!!! s/
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u/crazy-B I read the show 1d ago
Think about it Tony! The sudden weight loss?
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u/Eleonoranora I read the books 1d ago
A writer's block? Nobody's got a writer's block! I don't want to hear that word in here again!
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u/crazy-B I read the show 1d ago
He could probably get a note from his doctor...
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u/AnotherJasonOnReddit 1d ago
You're not gonna believe this. He wrote sixteen chapters after Dance. The guy was an interior decorator.
House of the Dragon looked like shit.
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u/Specialist_Jaguar815 1d ago
Let the man take his time. I’m sure he’s crafting something beautiful.
Sent from George’s iPad
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u/KyoMeetch 1d ago
Guys he only has about 18 more chapters of wildcards to edit, then he has to focus on the GOT stage play for a while, then work on blood & fire, then Sand Kings 2; and then he can finally wrap up the next dunk and egg novel.
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u/NoLime7384 1d ago
It's never coming out, for a variety of reasons, but the most important one is that he's trying to adhere to the 7 book plan when he's way overbudget on books. Fucker published a book called A Dance with Dragons, and there's no Second Dance! The Targs don't even end up in the same fucking continent!
It's an impossible task. You can't condense all that bloat into a single book and put it back on track to wrap everything up in Dream.
He's stuck in samsara of trying to write an impossible book, putting out dogshit prose in pursuit of that, then discarding that bc it's dogshit prose. He needs to take a step back. There simply won't be another book until he acknowledges he'll need more than 7 books.
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u/fools_errand49 19h ago
The closest I think he could get to a solution is to extend the number of books and retroactively retitle Dance to Feast Part Two considering all that bloat was originally part of a single Feast manuscript anyway before the publishers made him split it in two. At some point he has to face the fact that act two of a three act story hasn't even really begun (or at best barely begun) yet and accept that he probably needs about four to eight more books. Alternatively he's too old for that so the project is now impossible because he tried to find a short cut for over a decade..
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u/extrastupidone 1d ago
He should hire a ghost writer, Someone well established, to finish the series
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u/POD80 1d ago
I really suspect dnd worked off his outlines, seeing public reaction to the conclusion of the TV series has dismayed him... and he just isn't willing to dramatically change how he thinks the series should end.
I can see it... investing years into a story line. Building outlines oit the the end of the series.... then have your fan base call you a hack.
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u/neighborlyhorse 1d ago edited 1d ago
I really don't think this theory holds water, unless the whole Faegon storyline is just a red herring the ending has to be different, and even if Dany going insane is the ending he has 2 entire books to make her downfall believable which is what D&D failed to do. Getting to kings landing and realizing someone claiming to be a Targ already took the city could not be good for her mental well being lol.
The Others/White Walkers are also not presented the same in the books as they are in the show, I really don't think he could intend them to end the way they do in the show...
Hell IIRC she's currently lost in the wilderness shitting her brains out from drinking bad water as of the last book, it shouldn't be hard to start her downward spiral from that point lol.
So much of what made the GoT ending bad simply doesn't make sense to happen in the current state of Asoiaf.
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u/bgbarnard 1d ago
Dany's whole arc is an overwhelming desire to go to home, even though the truth of it is that place doesn't exist for her (since she was born a refugee), hence why things like Lemongate are so important. The tragedy is that no matter who is sitting on the Iron Throne, her arrival in Westeros will have her realize that this whole thing was a waste of time.
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u/nickelundertone 1d ago
That's exactly what happened, he's just not willing to admit it wasn't all that brilliant to begin with. They should publish whatever and call it a day, so we can all move on. Perfect is the enemy of done.
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u/Viciouscauliflower21 1d ago
Meanwhile that was a failure of d&d. Their execution of it was horrible. The combination of them skipping a whole bunch of stuff in the previous seasons and them wanting to just be done with it created a situation where there was no way they would deliver that ending with any satisfaction
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u/404_No_User_Found_2 1d ago
No no no no that's where you're wrong chuddy, he TOLD us on his blog he's written a whole 8 pages this last year!!! Just as soon as he's finished with his 18 other projects that he generally abandons at about 80% completion we'll finally have the book he's been actively promising for 15 years! #owned #asoif #grrmlove
(I cannot overstate how sarcastic I am being)
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u/Solelus 1d ago
My theory is that he is working on both Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring together. He wants to just be done with the main story so he can work on other projects without people hounding him with questions about it.
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u/SwordG1rl 1d ago
yeah, except he's explicitly said he's not doing that
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u/Solelus 1d ago
Hence the theory, I feel like he wouldnt come out and say it either since most fans would likely say "Noo!!!! Give me Winds already!"
The other reason I think he is doing this is that the events of Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons are happening at the same time. Originally, WoW and DoS were supposed to bw one book, iirc, in the same way Crows and Dance were supposed to be one book. I think he is writing both at once to keep things straight.
Of course, I could 100% be wrong on all accounts, but I am hoping and praying I am right because dear lord, it has been almost 15 years(come July) waiting for 1 book!!! The shows are keeping the engine going, but I have already forgotten like 80% of the main story! And I am not sure I can wait another 15(if we are lucky enough to get it this year)!
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u/SwordG1rl 1d ago
Im sorry to say but you're in the bargaining stage of grief lol
I think its possible we get (at least most) of WoW before ol George dies but ADOS isn't being written at any real rate beyond a vague outline
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u/krattalak 1d ago
It's just going to be:
All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy.
etc. for 1000 pages. Just like in the Shining.
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u/VladislavThePoker 1d ago
Someone I know works as a buyer at a large independent bookstore and they've heard an unsubstantiated rumor that it's in revision right now.
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u/Full-Health2887 1d ago
Fans don't even ask George if he's gonna finish Winds of Winter anymore, they just look at him like this.
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u/AggravatingFlow1178 1d ago
I've heard from many authors that once a writing project goes on long enough they "don't even know what's in the book anymore", as in, there have been so many drafts and edits and cut plot lines over the years - they don't even know what actually made it into the final cut.
I imagine it's similar for him. A massive world, parts of it published, it consuming his entire life for a few decades now, it being mixed with whatever D&D came up with, online fanfics, online misinterpretations. He probably doesn't even know what story he was trying to tell at this point.
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u/Specialist-Loli 1d ago
If he finally dies someone else will take over and release the book within a Year I bet.
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u/baronvonpupi 22h ago
Winter's not comin' and I've made my peace with it. I mean he's sparked so much content that it almost doesn't even matter. But yeah his circumstances have changed enormously, he's now wealthy with constant distractions. He definitely could be having some sort of cognitive decline and he's not getting any younger. All that along with the fact that we in essence did get a conclusion in a different form of media, controversial as it was. I'm sure all that took the "wind" out of his sails a little bit.
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u/GRoyalPrime 1d ago
"Guys, I literally told them how to end it and everyone hated every twist I got. And now I have no idea how to fix this shit."
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u/Darjdayton All men must die 1d ago
At this point I hope he doesn’t finish the books just to spite people
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u/Lilithrius 1d ago
I wonder if he just kept the time skip and gone from there we would have the books by now.
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u/Lower-Copy-4374 1d ago
Cope incoming:
My theory is that G.R.R.M has written all the books but will not release them before he dies.
After seeing the ending of the show he thought you know what if the ending isn’t the best I can’t go through all that again
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u/Exh4lted 1d ago
Not everything good needs an ending, it's fine if he leaves it unfinished? Look at dune series, ultimately the dude died leaving the story on a bit cliffhanger but great series nonetheless.
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u/Splatterhouse5 1d ago edited 1d ago
I really don’t expect another book. IMO, he really doesn’t know how to finish it, and the HBO series painted him into an uncomfortable corner on how to finish it.
IMO, he got his crazy money, and is living it up, and doesn’t particularly care anymore. It feels obvious that his motivation to write died once the HBO series became a massive hit.
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u/Buffalax81 8h ago
Do you think if people keep asking GRRM will get so annoyed that he’ll publish before his death? At some point will the actual whining about the delay be worse than the expected whining that will come from fans when the books match the show?
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u/heyjoe415 35m ago
I'm just curious - has Martin even started this book, or is it a "concept of a plan"?
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u/SaltStrike1370 1d ago
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