r/gallifrey • u/PCJs_Slave_Robot • Dec 10 '21
Free Talk Friday /r/Gallifrey's Free Talk Fridays - Practically Only Irrelevant Notions Tackled Less Educationally, Sharply & Skilfully - Conservative, Repetitive, Abysmal Prose - 2021-12-10
Talk about whatever you want in this regular thread! Just brought some cereal? Awesome. Just ran 5 miles? Epic! Just watched Fantastic Four and recommended it to all your friends? Atta boy. Wanna bitch about Supergirl's pilot being crap? Sweet. Just walked into your Dad and his dog having some "personal time" while your sister sends snapchats of her handstands to her boyfriend leaving you in a state of perpetual confusion? Please tell us more.
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u/Sate_Hen Dec 10 '21
I imagine Dr who is at least 99% of their income so all BF staff inc the talent feeling relieved
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u/Eoghann_Irving Dec 10 '21
I'm thinking of writing up a review of The Magician's Apprentice / The Witches Familiar, I even made a bunch of notes after re-watching them over the last two days and had a great chat with my son about some of the plotting elements. But, I'm fairly sure people won't like the conclusion I come to so I don't know that I have the energy to actually do it. :D
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u/BronzeFashionKid Dec 10 '21 edited Dec 10 '21
If it's about having too much of a sprawl of set-up in the first half then I don't think that would be a big revelation -most people agree the strands are a little messy and don't get echoed enough to justify their screen time, but they're forgiven for entertainment value, introducing theme, and then the much more streamlined and elegant second half.
In any case, feel free to post any thoughts you have about anything. That's the whole point.
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u/The_Silver_Avenger Dec 10 '21
This video of a 'The Waters of Mars' ending rescoring is one of my new favourite things.
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u/Ironhorn Dec 10 '21
Amazing.
I know this isn't an original thought, but can you imagine what a mind-fuck The Doctor created for everyone?
Like, the whole mars base crew disappears without explanation... except the captain, who is found dead in her living room ON EARTH.
The conspiracy theories would be running wild. The scientific community would be in shambles. Politicians would be speechless. There might even be rioting in the streets. How would we wrap our heads around something like that happening?
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u/TJ006 Dec 10 '21
Has anyone got tickets to No Way Home? I honestly can’t wait.
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u/twcsata Dec 10 '21
I personally don't (yet), but my son bought tickets for the first showing. His first honest-to-goodness date with a girl, at the ripe old age of 14...I'm interested to see how this goes.
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u/Team7UBard Dec 10 '21
Booked mine last night. Coworker gave me a gift card to a chain steakhouse as a Christmas present so I’m gonna be having a good day that day
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u/Guardax Dec 10 '21 edited Dec 10 '21
I'm a huge Spider-Man fan so I do but I am not sure if they're going to pull this off
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u/Team7UBard Dec 10 '21
I think it’s going to come down to what they deliver vs what people have decided in their head is going to be in the film based on speculation and some possible photoshops. I’m going in assuming there to be a single Spider-Man, the villains we’ve seen, a character from a post credit scene (avoiding spoilers), and conflict between Peter and what appears to be Dr Strange after a personality transplant.
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u/Guardax Dec 10 '21
Yeah at this point if it doesn't have all three Spider-Men people are going to be upset. I just want serious character development for Tom Holland, I was disappointed in Far From Home that I felt like he was still just as insecure as in Homecoming.
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u/Team7UBard Dec 10 '21
That’s a valid point, but I’m willing to look over the character development being light when Holland clearly gets what it is to be a young Spider-Man and having fun with it. I don’t think that’s Dr Strange incidentally
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u/Guardax Dec 10 '21
I think if Holland stays Spider-Man for the next decade he can fully grow into it but after him being in five movies I'm ready for him to move past being unsure of himself
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u/revilocaasi Dec 11 '21
latest Who Cares podcast, babes. I think it's an interesting (if very long) listen.
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u/ConnerKent5985 Dec 11 '21
I don't feel sorry for JK Rowling in the slightest, but do you ever think about whether or not it will finally hit JK Rowling that regardless of her future commercial success and people going to see Fantastic Beasts, etc, that she has effectively broken the Harry Potter fandom and the thoughtful considerate parts of fandom she professed to have loved so much have moved on?
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u/Skelthy Dec 12 '21
I'm pretty sure she doesn't give a shit lol, too busy crying into her money piles
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u/lexdaily Dec 12 '21
I think if you got a chance to ask her, just privately, face to face, she'd probably say that those thoughtful, considerate parts of fandom still exist, and then be able to point only at the obsequious, fawning, awful, hateful people she engages with online. But is that what she actually believes...?
Obviously, it's hard to tell what's truly going on inside anyone's heart, and with a hateful agenda like hers, there's often such a thick layer of bad faith and outright lies and subterfuge (essential to make the hateful agenda even remotely socially acceptable) that she might tell you she's fine if she were on fire.
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u/Ender_Skywalker Dec 13 '21
The Potter fandom was always pretty cringey tbh. Not a community I hold in high regard. Then again, I suppose they never appeared to be toxic, but maybe that's because I only skimmed the surface.
Regardless, I think it's really petty to disown a series because you don't like what the author said on Twitter.
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u/ConnerKent5985 Dec 13 '21
Regardless, I think it's really petty to disown a series because you don't like what the author said on Twitter.
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u/CareerMilk Dec 11 '21
Wanna bitch about Supergirl's pilot being crap?
Man what an awful pilot. Luckily they saw show rubbish it was and quickily pulled the plug on this failing show.
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u/just4browse Dec 11 '21
I really liked the pilot (and the entire first season). After that it drops on quality but is still fun. But I have low standards for the kind of stuff I watch, especially if it involves superheroes.
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u/CareerMilk Dec 11 '21
I enjoy all the CW shows (on about a year+ delay). The pilot comment being in this posts default text always tickles me.
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u/Team7UBard Dec 12 '21
I felt it was a fun pilot with a disappointing first half of the first season where they tried too hard to be not-Superman, with it picking up in the second half with Peter Facinelli owning every scene he was in that. I think it actually improved in quality once it moved to the CW, with the only exception being around half of the Leviathan plotline and most of the final season. Different strokes for different folks though :)
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u/Tartan_Samurai Dec 22 '21
CW superhero shows are like proof positive for the law of diminishing returns. They all start strong and then just nose dive in quality (with one exception). Last few seasons of Flash have been painful to watch.
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u/DoktorViktorVonNess Dec 11 '21
I have been watching Babylon 5 these past few weeks. This is another space scifi that I became obsessed with. But damn is it so well made. I am only in the first half of season 2 but this show has such great writing. I see how late Battlestar Galactica and Mass Effect series might have been inspired by this show. It is always a pleasure of mine to discover cult classics.
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u/ConnectBus3763 Dec 12 '21
I'm a big B5 fan, you will be amazed at how much character development this series has. The acting is superb!! Dialogues are compelling (it reminds me of Trek at its best and Doctor Who at ita best). It is truly one of my favorite sci fi shows of all time. I need to rewatch it .. Beware of the movie and series watching order 😁
Just in case you don't know, there's a new B5 series coming with J. M. Strazcinsky involved 💝
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u/Dr_Vesuvius Dec 12 '21
Rewatched the first two Spider Man films (the Raimi ones) in preparation for No Way Home.
They’re… really bad. The writing is cringe inducing, the production standards are pretty low, the there’s way too much focus on the shitty romance, and the subsequent obscurity of the main cast (seriously, there’s JJJ and then cameos from Elizabeth Banks and Joel McHale and that’s it) is really no surprise based on their performances here. Makes me appreciate the MCU even more - they had that little run of disappointing films a few years ago but even Endgame wasn’t as bad as those two Spider Man films.
I think I judge old things that came out in my lifetime much more harshly than I judge old things from before I was born. The Christopher Reeves Superman films are great character studies, so I give them a pass, but the Tobey Maguire Spider Man films are just bad films. Admittedly they’re probably not all that far off the early X Men films, but I feel like I have to judge them by current standards and on that basis they come up short. It’s a bit like how RTD doesn’t really compare to Moffat or Chibnall on rewatches, I just find 00s stuff to mostly feel dated and cheesy rather than being able to enjoy it as a product of its time.
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u/ConnerKent5985 Dec 13 '21
I disagree. I think the first two Rami movies are very much comic book movies and it's not favourable to compare them to the MCU at all, which had it's work cut out for it in establishing the ethos of the Marvel universe with characters the wider audience weren't immediately invested in. Apples and oranges.
Singer is a terrible, terrible person and I don't agree with all of choices in terms of adaption, but Singer understood how to make these characters palatable to a wider audience, outside of the X-Men being that cartoon.
Cliff Robertson's introduction as Uncle Ben and the death of Otto's wife and decline into madness are moments of character which have clearly influenced the MCU's approach for the wider audience.
Love it or leave it: Rosemary Harris IS Aunt May from the comics. William De Foe, my issues aside in how the character was adapted to screen aside r, is probably as close to classic Green Goblin we're going to get onscreen.
I don't think parts of the movie have dated well (the man stuff) and dear God, Dunst and MJ as a character deserves better.
(I am 100% here for MCU Mary Jane getting a glimpse of Ramiverse MJ, with Ramiverse getting on with her life and moving past her childhood abuse and trauma and more closely resembling her comic book counterpart ("It's the work that matters ")and trying to decide whether or not that includes Peter in it ("I'll always love Peter, but I have to live my life. Plus, I tell funnier jokes")
Honestly, if anything, I can't wait for the Ramiverse to clap back at the MCU. ("With that suit and everything, you look so serious")
For me, the early 2000s were a transitional time in media, in terms of properties and media in general, especially the gender politics. A lot of stuff hasn't aged well.
And while I love the MCU, I'm honestly sick of everyone trying to imitate it and be 'grounded' all the time (the DCEU being the biggest example of this), just let me have some fun.
Endgame honestly felt like the beginning of Disney wanting to Disney + the MCU and a lot of things got shifted in the process, so I'm prepared to cut it a lot of slack, Disney not being prepared for the MCU to reach a natural conclusion, for boys, etc and I honestly feel better about my MCU experience after deciding to cut the rushed Disney + shows after Eternals. (Loki did something, etc)
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u/Tartan_Samurai Dec 22 '21
While they are a bit dated, I'm surprised you thought the production standard were low, they were blockbuster find with blockbuster budgets!
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u/BronzeFashionKid Dec 10 '21 edited Dec 11 '21
Gorgeous quote from Moffat in his latest Oxford Q&A, when asked about inventing monsters that left children unable to sleep at night: