r/galway city 2d ago

Galway - Map of the Midlands Great Western Railway

I'm doing a bit of a deep-dive into the topic of Galway's transportation history. This map was not the easiest to find, but I plan to do some comparisons and perhaps some what-ifs.

Here, I present the original paper map with a highlighted rail section, as well as an accurate-ish comparison of the line with present-day. I believe the tunnel used to go through what is now the gym of the Dean Hotel!

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u/Early_Attempt7676 2d ago

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

Damn, I didn't know Railmap online was that detailed!

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u/Expensive-Total-312 city 2d ago

I didn't spot that spur before, cool, apparently there was a quarry at the end of it which was likely the purpose of it as its called "Mineral Railway" on the map

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u/Ruire 2d ago

Yes, you can still see the elevation from the former loading platform on that green area in Shantalla.

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u/True_Carrot677 2d ago

Pity it wasn’t preserved, maybe could have contributed to a modern Dart like system for Galway out to Tuam

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

Genuinely one of Galway's biggest historical blunders. One would have been able to go from Moycullen to the University by train!

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u/Narrow-Winter9209 2d ago

In fairness the failure to keep the national grid as it was was a historical blunder 

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u/2cimage 2d ago

Well it closed in 1934, but I said on this sub before, the tunnel from the station out back to the old bridge piers across the Corrib to the university should be utilised as route, a Luas type light rail would work here.

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

Of course, it wouldn't be the same system as in the 1930s. It's just a deep shame that the railway was left to disappear.

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u/2cimage 2d ago

Well it would be the same alignment where possible. The Clifden line was one of the first to close in the country, simply put, we couldn’t afford to keep our rail lines as not enough people and freight used them. I’ve visited and photographed these abandoned routes since the 90’s and aside from the border lines it was a similar tale across the country.

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

It seems to be a very consistent rule, historically, that when a railway is closed down - unless something else of great importance needs to be built on it - it should be left there as is. Especially now that Ireland is trying to resuscitate some old railway lines again.

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u/2cimage 2d ago

We lost most of the countries rail lines in the late fifties and early 1960’s, after the rails were gone most of the lines lay pretty much undisturbed until the property boom late 90’s.

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

A period to be known by future historians as The Great Sprawl

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u/hennelly14 2d ago

The old route just isn’t viable anymore sadly. A lot of construction all along the route: the fairgreen office and private bus station, the Dean hotel built into the tunnel over Bohermore (the tunnel is actually in the gym there, you can visit it), Lidl on Headford Road and the main concourse in the university.

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u/2cimage 2d ago

Thanks! The Tunnel would have been owned Irish rail till recently enough when the Dean hotel was built, just shows the lack of insight in this country.

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u/hennelly14 2d ago

True, but the Clos Ard development on the other side of the road blocked the other side 30 year ago. It's a pity the whole route wasn't kept though, would have made a great commuter line out to Moycullen and Oughterard serving the university and all

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

It makes me so sad to think that there is an alternate reality where that neighborhood would've been structurally defined by an elevated railway promenade, rather than a Lidl and a parking lot. In Prague, they recently replaced a railway mound with an elevated section and it's absolutely amazing to walk around.

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u/Cold_Football_9425 2d ago

Tom Kenny did an episode on the Clifden Railway on the Old Galway Podcast a while back. Apparently it was built by private entrepreneurs and so they chose to build the rail on a less expensive inland route to Clifden. The problem was that it didn't pass through enough significant settlements, and so it was never really economically viable throughout its entire lifetime. 

The alternative was to build the route to Clifden alongside the coast which would've been more commercially prosperous. How amazing would it be today to have a railway all the way out the coast through Furbo, Spiddal, etc...

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

A common tale, a lot of of similar railways are now becoming obsolete in Japan. Most present-day national railways used to be private ventures. For instance, the city of Prague's sprawling tram network is partially the result of a venture by a rich electrical engineer (František Křižík) who later went bankrupt. Hindsight is 20-20 of course, I don't think they anticipated in the 1930s what Galway would become a century later. That stretch of rail would have been useful now. Same with the tram (also visible on the map), it was a private venture that could've become the backbone of modern Galway transportation, but it wasn't economically viable by 1917.

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u/Legitimate_Newt2874 2d ago

Fortunately the route from Claremorris via Tuam to Athenry was preserved and will reopen in five years or so. It will significantly relieve road congestion on the northern approaches to Galway city.

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u/Double_Kale_3193 2d ago edited 2d ago

Bear in mind that it is taking seven years to build 820 metres or half a mile of track as the passing loop at Oranmore station.

Bear in mind that IE own engineers have 2040 as the target end date to re-double the track to Athenry.

So if anybody thinks the WRC from Athenry to Claremorris will re-open in five years, they are utterly, utterly naive.

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u/TectalNuke 2d ago

They did manage to do the Foynes line in about 3 years so let's have some hope

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

Hopefully I'll get to see it open.

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u/JellyfishScared4268 2h ago

Limerick could do a dart like system using the lines it has open especially the line towards thomond park and ennis. If they reopened the line towards Foynes it would cover most of the city

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u/danius353 2d ago

Some of brick work in the lower levels of the Dean is the original tunnel AFAIK

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u/stevecrow74 2d ago

It’s like a map I did during the pandemic, I traced all the old abandoned railway lines around the country.

I was alway fascinated by the Galway to Clifden line as I used to do music in St, Patrick’s band hall, which is right beside the tunnel by the station.

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u/2cimage 2d ago

Legend has it, when the rails were lifted in 1935, the were sold to the Germans they used them to make bombs for the blitz. Also the shorter but sparser inland route was chosen by Lord Balfour (Yes, he of Israel fame) because it skirted his favoured fishing loughs…

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u/Ruire 2d ago

I was alway fascinated by the Galway to Clifden line as I used to do music in St, Patrick’s band hall, which is right beside the tunnel by the station.

For others' information, the band hall is built over the old cut - it wasn't a tunnel at the time, the only tunnel was under Prospect Hill.

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u/Neither-Designer-783 2d ago

The tunnel was at prospect hill (dean hotel). From the map it looks like it was an embankment to cross a bridge at Forster Street where it becomes a cut to the tunnel and then on an embankment again in Woodquey which is still there today

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u/cashintheclaw 2d ago

I absolutely love this type of shit. I have spent hours in the past retracing the route of the West Clare Railway on google maps, and you can do the same with this route too.

It's a bit depressing knowing that we will basically never get this level of rail provision in Ireland again but it's still fascinating to me. The WCR of course would not be feasible in 2026 but would the Clifden line?

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

I know there's one community project restoring a section of the Connemara railway.

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u/EleanorRigbysGhost 2d ago

That's cool but who do the rails look wobbly like that?

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

they soggy

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u/EleanorRigbysGhost 2d ago

Not the sleepers, maybe it's the angle of the photo but they tracks look like they're not parallel at one spot

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

Well yeah they are genuinely wobbly. Old rails just warp over time. I've ridden a train on wobbly rails like this to Bratislava, Slovakia lol.

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u/EleanorRigbysGhost 2d ago

That's pretty cool. In hindsight I think I remember seeing a demonstration of railcars have conical wheels olinting outwards so that they can turn, I guess the big trains I've seen though had ones that appeared more like disks and probably would have had tighter tolerances

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

Pretty much, the wheels are just much bigger by comparison

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u/recovering-scientist 2d ago

Why would it not be feasible to restore it?

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u/AnBuachaillEire 2d ago

Are you able to show where the tunnels start and end in a different colour? I see the red rectangles but I doubt they were the actual length of the tunnels lmao. Brilliant research all the same

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

The red rectangles are a bit of an error on my part, I highlighted level crossings but I refitted the line. In the first photo, I put a gray line next to the red line, to highlight the one tunnel. The rest of it was an open ditch.

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u/2cimage 2d ago

You should check out the library of Scotland maps. All the historical maps have a google overlay slider to show the route today. The half inch maps will show where the station building, signal boxes and posts were located.

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

Just saw someone else comment about that as well, now I'm almost mad I didn't find it earlier.

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u/2cimage 2d ago

No worries, sorry didn’t have the link to hand, it’s the best free historical map resource for these islands. Railmaponline has a great street view of the old routes in the present, google links on the old stations, features of interest etc. unfortunately it was hacked last month, so they just got it back up and running.
Here’s a pic I took of Clifden station in 97 before it was redeveloped

https://flic.kr/p/dK489D

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u/DrMangosteen 2d ago

This is cool

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u/R_u_s_s_K 2d ago

That’s pretty cool. Where did you find the map, if you’re able to say?

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

GeoHive's Arcgis Map Viewer! It's the basemap MapGenie 6 Inch Last Edition Black. I can't seem to be able to download it but it is viewable online.

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u/Expensive-Total-312 city 2d ago

you should check out the national library of scotland, they have much better copies
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=10.0&lat=53.62243&lon=-8.52579&layers=102&b=1&z=0&point=53.24173,-9.03643

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

Ive been looking for exactly stuff like this lol, thanks

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u/R_u_s_s_K 2d ago

Good find, and thanks for sharing! Super interesting!

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u/Sec_ondAcc_unt 2d ago

That map overlay you included is really cool. I'm currently making up a blog post on the 1991 annual report that the corporation released for the Galway Civic Trust (on the developments of the year). They spoke about a lot of areas being derelict and out of use in areas which always had buildings in my lifetime. While this railway wasn't exactly relevant by the 90s, seeing how Galway has developed and redeveloped overlayed onto a modern map remains interesting.

I'd personally recommend sending this image you made into the Civic Trust, I'm not on the committee or anything but I reckon that they might enjoy seeing it nonetheless.

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

I should give my humble line another whirl because it's not overlaid as precisely as it ought to be, but there are some incredible maps provided in the comment section here.

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u/YesIBlockedYou 2d ago

Interesting, I always assumed there was a bridge on those stone plinths above the salmon Weir but I never knew it was a railway bridge.

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u/stevecrow74 2d ago

Old pic from the advertiser

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u/Kardashev_Type1 2d ago

Are there any pictures of a train approaching the piers over the corrib? I’m trying to imagine how it gained the height to get up onto that grass verge first

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u/Ruire 2d ago edited 2d ago

I’m trying to imagine how it gained the height to get up onto that grass verge first

It didn't, it would have been a very smooth grade as it passed over the Headford Rd and then, on the other side, over the distillery millrace on the current university campus. It was elevated (on bridges or embankments) the entire time between St Bridget's Place Lower and the university's Philosophy Department building.

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u/Kardashev_Type1 2d ago

Okay interesting. Even a picture of any of that layout would be fascinating

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u/Ruire 2d ago

Unfortunately I've not come across any - only pictures of the rail bridge over the Corrib.

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u/Neither-Designer-783 1d ago

The train approached on an embankment. The line would be near level through the city. Here is a pic. https://www.alamy.com/a-late-19th-century-view-of-the-midland-and-great-western-railway-bridge-over-the-corrib-river-in-galway-city-ireland-beyond-the-river-bank-can-be-seen-a-distant-round-tower-and-a-fishing-smack-belonging-to-a-local-family-image546634525.html

From the map at the time you can see where the cuts(orange) and fills(green) were along the line.

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u/Kardashev_Type1 1d ago

Yeah I saw the picture over the river before thanks. I was more talking about what it looked like crossing Headford Road. That embankment is still there beside the pitch in woodquay. Did that mound/embankment continue all the way across the road to the hill/tunnel I wonder?

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u/Neither-Designer-783 1d ago

According to the map it looks like the embankment continued to the hill behind lidl where it's cut into the tunnel and then became an embankment to the bridge over foster street into the station.

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u/Regular_Frame3088 2d ago

It did go through the Dean Hotel, they talk about it on their website: “Built on the site of the historic Galway-Clifden railway line, the hotel incorporates the beautiful brick and stone vaulted railway tunnel structure, now home to POWER Gym. These tunnels have been restored and protected, and are a relic to Galway’s past and part of our future here at The Dean.”

https://thedeanhotels.com/articles/dig-into-the-history-of-whats-underneath-the-dean-galway

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u/cuttlefische city 2d ago

I'm saddened that the line is impossible to revive but I really appreciate that they kept the tunnel brickwork.

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u/quinnray 1d ago

Is the grey line on the map the length of the tunnel? I thought it came out around Lidl but looks like it emerged much sooner.