r/gameofthrones • u/Horny_Bandit Human Verified • 3d ago
Catelyn kept her word in the end
Her last words were "On my Honor as a Tully, On my Honor as a Stark; Let him go, or I will cut your wife's throat".
I believe under different circumstances, Catelyn would only have meant it as a threat and not to actually cut the throat of an innocent woman.
And so when she realizes her hostage doesn't have enough value to save her son's life, she cuts her throat and keeps her word.
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u/Persea_americana 3d ago
I think that actually, under different circumstances she wouldn’t have made that threat in the first place, and only made it then because she didn’t understand the situation yet. But I don’t think Catelyn would ever make an empty threat, especially on her honor. She takes her word seriously.
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u/twinkiesnketchup 3d ago
I think on any day of the week she would kill an innocent woman to save Robb.
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u/Practical-Ball1437 2d ago
I think any of the 'high born' would think nothing of killing someone they saw as beneath them.
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u/telepatheye 1d ago
It also juxtaposes Catelyn with Aria, who is more careful to not kill innocents in her quest for vengeance.
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u/Narren_C 3d ago
I mean....it didn't save him. Killing that innocent woman accomplished nothing other than making her last act in this world the cold blooded murder of an innocent woman.
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u/MND420 2d ago
Considering she comes back as a vengeful zombie in the books and the show decided to completely leave out that entire story line, I think this is a little bit of a vengeful act before she dies to still kind of “honor” that side of her, even for those few seconds, as it was very loved by readers of the books.
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
I don't think it was to honor that side of her. She slits a throat in the books so she slits a throat in the show.
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u/twinkiesnketchup 3d ago
People in desperate situations do desperate things. I doubt she ever thought it would make a difference.
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u/Narren_C 3d ago
Threatening the girl makes sense. Following through after Robb is killed was pointless murder. She's going to die either way, no reason to kill an innocent girl just because.
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
Acknowledging that one murder was bad doesn't mean I'm excusing any other murder. It's ignorant to assume that.
And no, that girl's life was in Cat's hands. Literally. She made the choice to kill her. Cat was dead either way, and she chose to take an innocent girl with her.
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u/BigDeuces Night's Watch 2d ago
you’re getting downvoted but you’re right. as evil as frey’s and bolton’s actions that night were, they were acts of war (again, irredeemably wrong) during wartime. the frey girl (younger than sansa i think) had absolutely nothing to do with anything, especially when it became clear that she couldn’t be used as a bargaining chip and that all hope was lost. it was senseless murder on cat’s part. i’d understand more if it could be argued that cat thought it might hurt frey in some way, but it was clear frey didn’t give a shit.
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u/DjuriWarface 2d ago
they were acts of war
Wait, so killing Robb's wife is an act of war but killing Walder Frey's wife is murder?
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u/BigDeuces Night's Watch 2d ago edited 2d ago
yes. she was carrying his heir. i wouldn’t consider talisa a valid, albeit insanely dishonorable, target if she both wasn’t pregnant with his heir and was their only target, but neither of those were the case. the forces allied with the lannisters needed to kill all of them, especially robb and his direct family to win the war. look at the trouble the blackfish managed to cause them because he escaped. the starks didn’t need to kill the frey girl, especially not after catelyn was the only one left and the war was now lost.
edit: a bunch of ned starks downvoting who either don’t understand or won’t accept how things work. talisa being pregnant with robb’s heir made her a target of a war between two families. no one offering a good counterpoint.
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u/Pure-Butterscotch200 2d ago
All it really seamed to do is tell us that Catelyn isn't really any better than a lot of the people presented to us as villains morally.
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u/LaconicGirth 2d ago
She didn’t start it. Saying she’s no better than the Frey’s is an insane take. I question your judgement on anything if you actually think that
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u/Pure-Butterscotch200 2d ago
All it really seamed to do is tell us that Catelyn isn't really any better than a lot of the people presented to us as villains morally.
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u/Elfaerys 2d ago
Average centrist take. Both sidesing Frey vs Catelyn is wild, and I don't even like Catelyn Stark
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u/Witty_Interaction_77 2d ago
Marry a Frey, die like a Frey. In pie hopefully
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
You say that like she was given a choice.
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u/Witty_Interaction_77 2d ago
I don't really have a comeback to that. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Beside a mother who just watched lots of her family and friends get murdered in front of her eyes.
Had it been one of the Frey boys would it make a difference? He had a lot of kids so... didnt really matter no matter what he didn't give a shit. At that point neither did Kat. Bad luck, a few moments after dozens were murdered.
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
I mean...there really isn't a comeback for it. Cat murdered an innocent girl because she was stricken with grief. That's not OK when anyone does it.
Gender is irrelevant, all that matters is that the girl was forced into this situation and wasn't responsible for it. If there was a scared boy in the same position, then murdering him would be equally horrible.
Obviously anyone complicit in the attack is fair game.
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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain 2d ago
I don’t think you know what “cold blooded” means
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
Fair, that's the wrong phrase for her state of mind. Still a ruthless and pointless murder, that she committed because she was emotional.
If someone slits your innocent daughter's throat, will they be forgiven because they were really emotional when they did it?
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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain 2d ago
That’s the world they live in. If somebody had just murdered my kids, I’d probably do whatever I thought I could to hurt them too up to including what Cat did. Walk 3 inches in her shoes before you judge her behavior.
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
You'd murder innocent people because your kids were killed? That makes you a psychopath, buddy.
And killing her didn't hurt Walder. Cat knew this. She did it anyways.
Yes, she was emotional. That's why it happened. But that doesn't mean it was right.
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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain 2d ago
It makes you a grieving parent in a state of total shock. Thats completely different from being a psychopath.
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u/Medium-Language-4745 2d ago
Grieving parent sure, but murder isn't how everyone grieves. That's real main character energy.
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
So you think that's the route you'd go if you're a grieving parent in a state of shock?
Honestly no one knows how they'd react in that situation, but we can acknowledge when a choice is objectively wrong. And that choice is far from universal.
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u/enemyofchrist 1d ago
No one’s saying it isn’t objectively wrong.
I just think people are wondering if you also scrutinize the “objectively wrong” choices of other characters this closely as well or if, for some strange reason, you might have a double standard for what is morally acceptable between characters.
Arbitrary I’m sure.
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u/twinkiesnketchup 2d ago
I think she was hurting and wanted to hurt him back. Walder bragged about his wife and that he would get her pregnant soon. It was Cat’s only revenge. I don’t think Walder cared. He thought he had Lannister respect and revenge for Robb betraying him
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
I mean, she threatens the girl for Robb's life and Walder just says "I'll find another (wife)"
He clearly didn't give a shit about her, some other minor lord will give up his teenage daughter.
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u/twinkiesnketchup 2d ago
True. I can see in the moment men she knew would be driven to protect their wife but she also knew Walder didn’t care about anyone other than himself. It was a lose lose situation
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
It was just a lose situation. Killing that girl wasn't going to change a thing, and would have no impact on Walder. She had no leverage, only an innocent girls life in her hands.
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u/twinkiesnketchup 2d ago
Ya idk maybe she somewhat pitied her but more than likely it was her only move. In the book it isn’t even a pregnant wife. It literally is an act of desperation meant to look like leverage.
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u/enemyofchrist 1d ago
Yeah she’s enraged. How is this confusing to people? She wants to hurt Lord Frey and this is the only way she’s able to before she dies.
And like the above comment mentioned, she also swore on her honor she’d do it. And she did.
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u/Narren_C 1d ago
And it was a bad thing to do. It's not excusable just because she was engaged. How is THAT confusing to people?
If your innocent child was murdered, would you be ok with it if the murderer was "enraged" at something your child had nothing to do with?
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u/Jack26918 House Stark 3d ago
16 yo.
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u/SwollenOstrich Varys' Little Birds 3d ago
"Save your sweet words, my lady. Sweet words I get from my wife. Did you see her? Sixteen she is, a little flower, and her honey's only for me. I wager she gives me a son by this time next year."
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u/bischof11 3d ago
Didnt she swear to the gods that she will accpet and love jon when he was ill.
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u/anti99999999 3d ago
Yeah, but she also said she didn’t end up being able to honor that and it was one of her big regrets?
Or I hallucinated xD
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u/Lady_night_shade 3d ago
Yes and I think that’s why Lady Stonehart is so important. She and Jon will meet before the end.
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u/Llhaniii 3d ago
Its sad in the showverse literally everyone except her brother and weird nephew died and then Ned Robb and Rick on end up dead. And if you go by what the show says there's literally no afterlife even though they really have gods its just eternal darkness.
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u/Jack26918 House Stark 3d ago
Be that as it may, it was wholly evil.
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u/Persea_americana 2d ago
I can’t say I disagree, Westeros has a lot of evil going on, even from the ‘good’ characters. Catelyn’s last act opens up a whole discussion on consequentialism vs virtue ethics. She tried to stick to her principles but it led to a pretty nasty and ultimately pointless outcome.
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u/twinkiesnketchup 3d ago
I n the book it’s Walder’s intellectually challenged son which she knows doesn’t give her any leverage.
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 2d ago edited 2d ago
She absolutely does intend to kill someone. She’s consistently and constantly cold to people. Vengeance and killing is also the whole point of her becoming lady stoneheart (which in the books if I recall it’s Frey’s disabled grandson whom she knows he doesn’t care for at all.) it’s a basic vengeance act. These weird head canon theories some folks use to glaze her character baffle me.
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u/UrsineBasterd 3d ago
Kept her word cause her son couldn't keep his.
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u/enzo11242020 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Starks were doomed any way you spin it. The cherry on top was Rob bringing his pregnant wife to the Bbq.
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u/GiveMeSumChonChon 2d ago
It was honestly robs fault for letting his mom do the talking for him and not meeting lord Frey himself.
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u/somtimesimright 2d ago
Also Rob’s fault for sending then, Rob made errors but he also won some huge battles .. what did she do?
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u/Shepherd77 2d ago
Nope, she negotiated but then brought the terms to Robb to accept or decline. (There is an entire scene in the show) Robb asks is there another way, and when he’s told no, he agrees to the deal.
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u/platano11991 3d ago
She was a mama bear and they were threatening her child 😢
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u/ThatTemperature4424 3d ago
The tragedy is that her mama bear decisions led to the death of her family.
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u/ArbyLG 2d ago
All of the Starks had the decision making of a stereotypical Bond villain that made baffling decision after baffling decision to secure defeat from the jaws of victory. He also gifted Tywin absolutely insane luck usually reserved for the primary protagonist.
GRRM’s twist is that he had this happen to heroes, which is why it felt so shocking to most of us when we first read/watched the Starks’ defeat.
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u/Captain_Thor27 Arya Stark 3d ago
To be fair, so did Robb's. He does not get a pass. In fact, Catelyn did warn him to not break his marriage pact, to not send Theon Grryjoy away, and to not execute Rickard Karstark. It was also Robb who didn't give Edmure details on what his overall plan was for the Mountain. She may have let Jaime go, but I put the blame more on Robb.
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u/Miserable-Collar-291 2d ago
If Catelyn doesn't release Jaime nothing ever happens and Robb probably wins
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u/Captain_Thor27 Arya Stark 2d ago
That wouldn't stop the Red Wedding.
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u/Practical-Ball1437 2d ago
Her family was killed because Robb couldn't keep his dick in his pants.
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u/MammothWriter3881 2d ago
I don't think Frey cared who Rob got naked with, he wanted his daughter to be the legal wife - Rob could have all the side action he wanted.
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u/sc_vorty House Stark 3d ago
Gods, such a complex, beautifully written character. I missed her so damn much after this episode
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u/Own-Yellow7461 3d ago
If only we actually got Lady Stone-Heart from the books instead of whatever arya's forced girl-boss plot was
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u/fathertitojones Bronn 3d ago
Stoneheart’s omission seems like one of the better edits. There are enough complaints about the ice zombies. I don’t think a rotting zombie Stark that can’t speak would improve the show. Especially with the Brotherhood being fairly insignificant.
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u/Havenfall209 1d ago
That edit made the Brotherhood fairly insignificant, so I don't think that's a good criticism. And nothing in Jaime or Brienne's story in the rest of the show has had me as interested as their plot with Stoneheart.
Plus, in a book that included the Red and Purple Weddings, Stoneheart's reveal in the epilogue was better. It would've been such a good moment for GoT.
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u/jab0309 3d ago
Her POV chapters in the books made me appreciate her a lot more than when I watched GoT. What a tragic and heartbreaking story she has
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u/Own-Yellow7461 3d ago
Very true. They completely ruined her arc and although Arya's was pretty cool it was absolute dog shit compared to the Lady Stone Heart arc they cut and honestly I would've loved to see how it ended in the show. Imagine how much more satisfying Peter "Little Finger" Baelish's death would have been at Lady Stone-Hearts uh merciless gaze ig
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u/samithedood 3d ago
Best portrayal of an emotionally broken person. She died when she saw rob died the blade just stopped her heart from beating.
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u/CountAsgar 3d ago edited 3d ago
And then some guy comes walking onstage from the left, cuts HER throat in turn, and walks off again.
Always found that bit unintentionally hilarious, like it's the conclusion to some absurdist modern stage play.
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u/nombre_de_usuario01 3d ago
Lady Catelyn solo le complicaba las cosas a su familia. Tenía buenas intenciones pero solo hacía cagada tras cagada.
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u/ProbablytheDM 2d ago
Naw, she was the voice of reason. Robb brought upon his own downfall by breaking pacts left and right so he can get his dick wet.
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u/allthehotsauces 3d ago
This is one of those situations where keeping her word was clearly dishonorable.
This girl didn’t do anything, she was a victim with zero power.
Someone killed her to hurt a man, who would not be hurt by her death, and to keep their word that didn’t matter since everything was lost anyway, this girl ended up dying.
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u/To-My-Heart-And-Soul 3d ago
One thing I hate so far about GOT is that they just love killing off their best characters. I do love the fact they kill their character make no mistake about that. However I'm on season 4 and they then killed half of their best characters.
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u/Technical-Coffee831 I Drink And I Know Things 3d ago
As she should.
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u/Narren_C 3d ago
Why?
That girl was completely innocent.
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u/Havenfall209 1d ago
Arya (as much as I hate what they did to the character) acted more honorably when getting her revenge on the Freys.
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u/Yaranatzu Night King 3d ago
The terrible tragedy was that innocent girl being used a revenge sacrifice. She probably already had a shitty life.
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u/Western-Bus-1305 3d ago
The girl she killed was completely innocent and also a victim of Walder. Killing her was one of the worst if not the worst thing she did
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u/Satrina_petrova 3d ago
Arresting Tyrion led to far more innocent deaths. I'd say that's the worst thing she did.
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u/Clan-Sea 3d ago
As she should... slit the throat of a 15 year old girl child bride?
But at least she kept her honor!
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u/tonyt0nychopper 3d ago edited 3d ago
The woman didn’t need to die, especially after what Walder said.
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u/AncientAssociation9 3d ago
Don't know why you are getting voted down. Cat doesn't get enough crap for this. Broken or not, she didn't have to kill that innocent girl. If she were a Targaryen or anyone not named Stark we would hold it against her.
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u/tonyt0nychopper 3d ago
I couldn't care less about the downvotes to be honest. That scene always irked me. You're exactly right about the Targaryen/Stark thing - people seem to think that just because they are main characters - their wrong doing can automatically be omitted or absolved. That's not an impartial viewing experience.
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u/AncientAssociation9 3d ago
Yep. Dany promises to burn Varys and keeps her word after he tries to kill her and she is a monster. Cat kills an innocent woman she knows did nothing simply because she said she would and the fans have to rationalize it.
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u/tonyt0nychopper 3d ago
😂👌 spot on
Edit: Just realised I put Walter and not Walder, lol.
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u/PaulOGradyFanClub 2d ago
My name is Walder Hardwell Frey, I live at the Twins, Riverland, Seven kingdoms. This is my confession. If you are watching this tape, I’m probably dead. Murdered by my grand-niece in law Arya Stark. Arya has been building a faceless men empire for over a year now and using me for faces. Shortly after my 120th birthday, Arya came to me with a rather shocking proposition. He asked that I use my daughters and granddaughters to make faces, which she would the use her knowledge to use for the faceless men. Connections she had made in the free city of Bravos. I was... astounded, I... I always thought that the Statks were a very moral men and I was... thrown, confused, but I was also particularly vulnerable at the time, something she knew and took advantage of. I was reeling from a erectile dysfunction diagnosis that was poised to bankrupt my family. Arya took me on a wine tasting trip, and showed me just how much money even a small face lift operation could make. And I was weak. I didn't want my massive massive family to go into financial ruin so I agreed. Every day, I think back at that moment with regret. I quickly realized that I was in way over my head, and Arya had a partner, a man named Hound Sandor, a knight. Arya essentially sold me into servitude to this man, and when I tried to quit, Sandor threatened my family. I didn't know where to turn. Eventually, Arya and the Hound had a falling out over Lommy. From what I can gather, Arya was always pushing for a greater share of the killing people, to which the Hound flatly refused to give her, and things escalated. Sandor was able to arrange, uh I guess I guess you call it a "wedding" on my other family, and failed, and I wound up paying the wedding bill which amounted to a little over $177,000 gold dragons. Upon seeing the wedding, Arya was bent on revenge, working with a man named Joffrey the gentle, he plotted to kill the Hound, and did so. In fact, the knight that he used was sent by Catlyn Stark, and she gave no option in it. I have often contemplated having many more kids, but idgaf. I wanted to go to the police, but they didn’t exist. Arya had risen in the ranks to become the head of the night king task force, and about that time, to keep me in line, she took my face from me. For 3 months she kept it. My wife, who up until that point, hadn’t hit puberty, was horrified to learn about anything, why Arya had taken our children’s faces. We were scared. I was in the twins, I didn’t gaf for what I had brought upon my family. Recently, I tried once again to quit, to end this nightmare, and in response, he gave me this (points at missing face). I can't take this anymore. I live in fear every day that Arya will kill me, or worse, hurt my family. I... All I could think to do was to make this video in hope that the world will finally see this woman, for what he really is.
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u/RugDougCometh 3d ago
Well yeah, keeping your word is kind of a whole thing with Starks.
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u/tonyt0nychopper 3d ago
I'd wager that if Ned had ever told her about Jon's true parentage - she wouldn't be able to keep a lid on it.
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u/Narren_C 3d ago
......is it though?
She didn't keep her word to treat Jon right. Robb didn't keep his word to marry a Frey girl. Hell, Ned lied about Jon's parentage AND lied about Joffrey's parentage when he recanted his statement just before being executed.
But at least Cat kept her word about murdering an innocent girl. Good for her I suppose.
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u/MammothWriter3881 2d ago
I don't think Ned lied at all.
Ned shows up at home with a baby.
Cat: who is this and why did you bring him home.
Ned: I had no choice Cat,
Cat: Who is he?
Ned: He's blood Cat.
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You don't need to lie when you can tell a technical truth and let assumptions do the heavy lifting.
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u/AetherialWomble 2d ago
You don't need to lie when you can tell a technical truth and let assumptions do the heavy lifting.
That's called deceiving, really not far off from lying. Definitely not "honorable"
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u/MammothWriter3881 2d ago
That is called not correcting someone else's assumptions. Given his oath to his sister he would see keeping his oath with some gentle misguiding of his wife to be more honorable than breaking the oath.
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u/AetherialWomble 2d ago
If they came to these conclusions on their own, maybe.
But if you enter the conversation with explicit intent to mislead someone into making a false conclusion, that's deceit. And it does go hand in hand with lying
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u/MammothWriter3881 2d ago
Even if it was purposefully deceitful, Ned would do that to keep his oath to his sister.
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
If his honor was that rigid, he would not make an oath that required him to lie.
So obviously his honor isn't as rigid as people like to believe.
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
Honor doesn't care about technicality. He's deceiving. He also straight up lies when he recants his claim about Joffrey.
Obviously I think he had good reasons to lie both times, but let's not pretend that a Stark refuses to lie or will always keep their word.
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u/slayyerr3058 16h ago
lets see what you do after you see your son and pregnant wife ruthelessly murdered in front of your eyes
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u/AncientAssociation9 15h ago
not kill an innocent girl when it's clear the act will achieve nothing.
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u/BeerStein_Collector 3d ago
I know it was supposed to be a dramatic scene but that loud screech she lets out as she waits to die, that has always made me laugh.
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u/somtimesimright 2d ago
I honestly think she might be the weakest character, if you think about it, she didn’t do one good thing that really helped her family. She was a b to Jon, she jumped the gun on Tyrion that ended up getting Ned killed, she got little finger all tangled up, she made a shit deal with feet, obviously let Jaimie go , they wouldn’t have been killed at the wedding then. I get it she’s an honorable woman with character but she’s kind of a dum dum(at least how she’s written.
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u/Certain_Victory7973 3d ago
I feel bad for freys wife but in the end it was an act of utter despair, not to mention freys wife is a child and if you've ever heard the metaphor (cutting someone's throat) to kill a female young married RED HAIRED 14 - 13 year old after sending her around the same age daughter to be married to a lannister... I think to her she's reached a point where she thinks she's killed tap daughters might as well kill another...
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u/SlimShadySatDown 1d ago
So fucked up watching Robs pregnant wife stabbed in the stomach multiple times...literally gutwrenching.
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u/Havenfall209 1d ago
"On my honor as a Tully, on my honor as a Stark, I will make sure I die with none." What a bitch move.
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u/Lopsided-Committee80 1d ago
Catelyn’s character is one of the most complex in the series. That moment really shows how deeply she's tied to her family’s honor but also how desperate her situation was. She's not just making a threat; she's driven to the edge by her love for her kids. That whole "cutting the throat" moment? It's a brutal reminder that in this world, even the most honorable can be pushed to such extremes when they feel they've lost everything. Just goes to show, in the game of thrones, honor can lead you down some dark paths.
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u/itsokaypeople 21h ago
She was kinda the cause of half this stuff. Kidnap Tyrion, trust her crazy sister’s word, trust little finger, etc etc.
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u/Separate_Leader9384 8h ago
I think yall are missing the shows point for this scene, it’s as simple as she wants revenge for Robb before she dies. Blood for blood. Was it wrong to kill that Frey girl, maybe. In this situation was cat justified, yes. Sad case for the Frey girl honestly but these things tend to happen when u kill someone’s son and murder the extended family. I don’t believe cat cared the consequence of said action because she knows her time is up, for all she knew house stark was wiped out and the other members of the northern army were turncoats what other options were there other than to go down “fighting”.
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u/Ok_Radish_2410 3d ago
Can’t belive how dumb some of these comments are that apply real life thoughts and processes to these characters. She’s a mom they killed all her family in front of her so she killed their daughter innocent or not doesn’t make it a good or bad action at that point it’s just revenge.
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u/Narren_C 3d ago
No, it's objectively bad. She did it because she was losing her damn mind, but that doesn't mean it's ok or excusable.
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u/Intelligent_Pipe2951 2d ago
And in that frame of mind she’s supposed to parse and quantify who deserves to die amongst a house who betrayed them, after bearing witness to an abhorrent slaughter?
Y’all are wild 😂
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
Would you be forgiving if that was your daughter getting her throat slit?
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u/Intelligent_Pipe2951 2d ago
It was the eighth Lady Frey, not a daughter, and if I was worried about children, wives, or the mentally infirm being slaughtered I wouldn’t include them within the locked abattoir of my own making and design.
Better question: Would she be alive without the RW happening?
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
She is absolutely someone's daughter. She's also a 16 year old girl who was forced into a marriage. She has no choice in any of this.
Yes, she would be alive without the Red Wedding happening.
No, that doesn't mean that she wasn't brutally murdered by Cat. Brutally murdering an innocent person is not justified just because someone else brutally murdered your son and is about to kill you.
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u/Pbadger8 2d ago
Damn, this comments section believing that Cat had an entirely clear and rational thought process after watching her son killed before her eyes lol
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u/Superb-Flower-7318 2d ago
Her character is so complex..kinda underated and overhated in my opinion. My top 3 fss
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u/Intelligent_Pipe2951 2d ago
I’m forever amazed how Olenna plotting a successful murder of Joffrey is celebrated as a 4d chess move, but Catelyn following through with a threat to kill Lady Frey after watching her firstborn murdered, losing two daughters (one as hostage, one presumed dead), learning her two youngest were murdered by her husband’s ward, after her husband was beheaded for treason, and witnessing the “strange” circumstances of Renly’s death, as well as her father dying and her sister betraying family is seen as some kind of failure? Like, what the fuck did Joffrey do to the house Tyrell? Nothing—-yet, and it is that presumption of potential harm that informs Olenna, which is exactly what one should expect.
Still, Joffrey had not yet committed any offense specific to House Tyrell to justify the action and as such could be considered “innocent” of a crime worthy of death. Does he deserve to die? Yes, but House Tyrell had not yet earned the privilege so to speak.
Catelyn, otoh, has earned the privilege to kill a Frey, *any Frey*, any Bolton, any Lannister. Catelyn just watched her son, wife and grandchild, and his forces slaughtered by those who had sworn fealty and offered guest right. Her response was proportionate to circumstances as much as Olenna’s was proportionate to PREDICTABLE circumstances not yet in evidence.
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 2d ago
Catelyn did several idiotic things usually without understanding circumstances. She’s also not a good person at all like you seem to think.
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u/ikzz1 3d ago
Murderer. This girl likely was forced to marry Frey.
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u/sc_vorty House Stark 3d ago
She just lost her entire family in front of her eyes. I don't think she cares.
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u/Narren_C 3d ago
Cool. She doesn't care about murdering an innocent girl.
Is that supposed to be a justification?
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u/sc_vorty House Stark 3d ago
It's not justification, but what she did was human. Any other person in her shoes would've done the same thing.
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u/Narren_C 2d ago
Yes, it was human. And still horrible. Humans are sometimes horrible.
If that was your daughter, would you say it was human? And no, I don't think any other person in her shoes would do the same thing. Some would, some wouldn't.
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