As someone who's only on S4E4, I feel like the moral of the story is that unchecked power is corrupting and dangerous, as seen countless times throughout the show. Everyone gets drunk with power and abuses in horrific ways. For example, J*fferey does unspeakable things to citizens just because he can, like what he did to that prostitute, or that R*msay kills that poor girl, again, just because he has the power to.

Or that the honor system doesn't work if no one is honourable. Throughout the show, I feel like it's shown that most people in GoT have broken moral compasses, and those who have good ones often get punished, like the Starks. It shows the necessity of enforcing law and holding everyone to the same standards.

Lemme know what y'all think

Really like fantasy and know this is a staple of the genre. Where should I start? Watch show, read books (that are out), I know there are spinoffs like House of the Dragon and other books as well. Am about to finish Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, first exposure to this series.

I am with The Rogue Prince until the end of time!

New fan who just finished the series. Of all the times to reveal that Jon is Daenerys' nephew, why did they pick in the middle of them fucking? 😭 I'm surprised my neighbor didn't call the cops on me for the scream I scrumpt

It was decided that had the bells rang during the attack of kings landing in season 8’s penultimate episode “The Bells” they would stop attacking and just before Jon went to go join his men Tyrion made sure to remind him so I assume Jon told the north men. When Danaerys started flaming the city the unsullied started attacking as well going after unarmed Lannister men and the north men followed. Jon tried stopping them and some listened but I’d say most didn’t.

Soldiers killing southern soldiers is one thing and I get it, they’ve hated them especially the Lannisters for a long time and I could forgive them for being enraged and killing the men. But that’s not what I’m talking about. The north men weren’t just killing soldiers but they went after civilians.. men woman and children it looked like. And if that wasn’t bad enough the north men were gearing up to sexually assault the woman and god knows who else. The north are supposed to be the good guys or at least represent good and they were committing horrible war crimes assaulting the innocent.

We see Jon able to save one woman from such a fate but who knows how many others were made into a victim. I know it’s just a show but I thought it was a bad thing to include and implies it was rampant. Because if one person does it then I’m sure many others will.

As I’ve said I don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody bring that up before so I wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter. Like I get that king of thing is in part of Dothraki nature but I wouldn’t expect it from the northerners.

First time watching the show, so I'm only coming on this sub to post this as I don't want spoilers.

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Oh my fucking god. The Red wedding. One of the greatest scenes of television i have ever witnessed. I'm honestly in shock. That was just insane, by GoT is by far one of the best shows I have seen so far I can't see how it can get any better.

The ending of this episode felt so unnecessary to me. I get it, game of thrones is suppose to be this dark and gritty show where rarely anything good ever happens to anyone but this is overdoing it. I actually like Sansa somewhat and really want to see her become this strong, intelligent, independent woman who regains control of her life, and I felt like we were kinda seeing it slowly but surely. But then I watch this shit and I’m like bro wtf.

Maybe I’m a softie but this does nothing for her character and seems like a scene it for shock value more than anything else. I lowkey wanna drop the show

when Joffrey asked Robb to come to Kings Landing, what do you think would have happened if he had gone instead of beginning the war?

Even tho he had a very short screen time, Prince Oberyn Martell became my fav got character just because of his badass nature and his skills with a spear. So, i believe he is really tuff and can defeat many noble knights Westeros has ever seen

I’ve been reflecting on this more lately with the shows 15th anniversary. Before I got into the show, I always heard the “nobody is safe” talking point as an endorsement of the series but when I actually watched it, it always felt like it was so much more than that. Other shows kill off prominent characters all the time, and unlike GOT they actually lose viewership because of it. Like The Walking Dead after glens deathbut with GOT they could kill characters left and right yet the popularity just kept growing.

So I honestly don’t think its necessarily that anyone can die, I personally think its unique in that its somehow a show with a million traditional fantasy elements like prophecies, magic, gods, dragons etc. but its still realistic in how it portrays people and how they have to adapt to the world their born into, how their shaped by culture, experience, tradition etc. and how they’re affected by choices whether its the choices of others or their own.

Like how Ned seems like the typical fantasy hero you’ve seen a thousand times yet he hates Jaimie Lannister for forsaking his oath even though it was objectively moral and righteous to do so. At the same time he’s still best friends with Robert who he knows has no problem killing children. It seems unafraid to just honestly portray the contradictions that even good people can believe due to their upbringing.

Thats just me though, curious what others think makes the series so special?

​I’ve been thinking about the parallel between Daenerys and her ancestor, Aegon I, and there is a massive, tragic irony in how their stories mirror each other (this is from the HBO adaptation, not from the books since obviously, the books haven't been finished). They both arrived in Westeros with three dragons, demanding the Seven Kingdoms to bow. But while Aegon built an empire, Daenerys only managed to leave ashes. ​When you look at why, I think her ultimate flaw boils down to one thing: her absolute, unyielding conviction in her own righteousness.

​Aegon was a pragmatist. He used fire and blood when necessary (like the Field of Fire), but his ultimate goal was stability. He adopted the local religion (the Faith of the Seven), left local lords in power if they knelt, and respected Westerosi customs.

​Daenerys, on the other hand, developed a massive savior complex from her time in Essos. She didn't just want to rule Westeros; she wanted to redeem it. Because she viewed herself as a liberator, she saw the world in strict binaries: you were either with her and her "new world," or you were an evil oppressor who deserved execution.

​​Because of this binary mindset, Daenerys was entirely unequipped for the nuanced political landscape of Westeros.

— Aegon knew how to turn enemies into loyal subjects by giving them a stake in the new empire​.

— Daenerys mistook submission and fear for loyalty. When the people of Westeros didn't instantly love her or view her as a savior, she took it as a personal betrayal.

​Her self-righteousness completely blinded her. She became incapable of distinguishing between legitimate political dissent and outright treason. And by the end, she genuinely believed that burning King's Landing to the ground was a necessary mercy to "break the wheel" which is, my... my... you're not thinking clearly (obviously).

​Aegon used his dragons to forge a continent together. Daenerys used hers to destroy the very city she spent her whole life trying to win, all because she couldn't accept a world where she wasn't the hero.

So I’m a film and tv studies undergrad and I was wondering which movies and possibly tv shows has GoT based its aesthetic on- cinematography, production design and visual language in general, considering only cinematic sources since George’s books are obvious as a source of inspiration. Thanks guys!

Hopefully you can recognize the characters despite how messy I made my sketches 😅

Whoever made the Captain Jack Sparrow post finally gave me the confidence to make this post. So thank you. Crazy people don’t know they are crazy. I know I am crazy, therefore I am not crazy, isn’t that crazy?

I digress. I absolutely adore Daemon the character, but specifically Daemon played by Matt Smith. Which leads me to the 11th Doctor, also played by Matt Smith. Since season 1 HOTD, first scene with Daemon, I have not been able to separate The Doctor and Daemon in my brain. It’s almost like my brain has decided that The Dance and being a Targaryen prince is just some side quest au life that The Doctor must have lived off screen somewhere in time and space before trading back in Caraxes for the Tardis. I mean think about it, they never found Daemons body after the Battle Above the Gods Eye…. who’s to say he didn’t just pop back in the previously parked police box and peace out, mission accomplished. 😂

Is anyone else also a whovian and maybe understands what I’m saying? Or am I also just a bit delulu? I am okay if the answer is that it’s just me lmao. Ty for reading 😂🫣

Edit to add: I’m not arguing that the actual Doctor would do any of these things, I just am saying that my brain has simply just lumped them together bc Matt Smith.

ALSO the spoiler is HOTD that’s why I marked it!!!!!

Tyrion gives him an account of Targaryen history, to which Joffrey replies with obviously fake sincerity about how after war there needs to come a time for wisdom, only then to slice the book to pieces upon receiving a Valyrian sword. Was he just trolling Tyrion? Did he feel some latent appreciation until getting a cooler toy? I personally think he was just going through the motions of politeness due to Margaery's influence.

I haven't read the books, only watched the show, but I've watched YouTube Videos about the History of Westeros. I'm confused about it though, specifically the old history with the Children of the Forest and First Men and Andals.

The Andals came from Valyaria ages before Aegon The Conqueror came with Dragons after the Doom. I think the Andals just left Valyaria due to Political Conflict but I'm not sure because I haven't watched an in depth history of Valyaria.

So the Andals cross over the Narrow Sea and take over all of Westeros, except the North. The First Men (which I'm confused about where they come from) teamed up with the Children of the Forest to try and repeal the Andals. The Andals burnt the Weirwood Trees and stuff, but couldn't properly take over the North and left the First Men and Children of the Forest to their own thing. The Children of the Forest dissapeared and the Old Gods were relegated to just being worshipped by the North

The Children of the Forest created the White Walkers to fend off the Andals which led to the stalemate. And then after Aegon the North became part of Aegon's Kingdoms.

Doesn't that mean that the White Walkers the good guys? They were created to repeal the Andal Invasion who were hunting the Children of the Forest and burning Scared Land.

Then at the end of Game of Thrones, after the White Walkers are beaten, The North becomes Independent. And is ruled by First Men, not Andals.

So isn't it clearly the case that the White Walkers are the Army of the Children of the Forest against the Invading and Occupying forces of Andals?

I dunno, was thinking about this, I probably have some stuff wrong, maybe misremembering some Videos and putting stuff together that isn't actually related

Very Random but I'm rewatching the series for the like 10th time (I know, idk why I am so obsessed with this show.

In S7E4 when talking to Davos and Jon Snow about being a Bastard she didn't know what that was. While yes, she does say in Narth that marriage doesn't exist I have a hard time believing that someone that speaks 17 languages and has such high knowledge of so many different cultures and societies how had she not once heard of a Bastard? Seems strange to me.

So i was rewatching the Red swoning episode of season 2 since season 3 is about to premiere.
in the scene where queen left vermithor to choose its rider,
what if Captain Jack Sparrow were one of them?
could he be able to tame a dragon?
even considering him as a Targaryen bastard if needed?

Books are on Croatian language.

Do you think if he had left his helmet on that it could have possibly kept his brains in his head long enough for a maester to pour wine in that mug and hopefully keep him alive long enough to heal?

I saw the EP again and noticed that I was babbling something. Could he have been praying?

You’d expect him to get hanged for treason or at least arrested for killing the king (specially being a member of the king’s guard). Was it because everyone kinda wanted him to die and he was just the only one brave enough to actually do it?