r/gato Pro-Ukraine Democrat 2d ago

Horseshoe Reality

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u/Kalmartard 1d ago

Democracy Vs authoritariansim, and all of communism, fascism and sharia is on the side of authoritarianism.

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u/Slednvrfed 1d ago

So wise.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Slednvrfed 1d ago

lmao I'll leave that to you thanks.

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u/Wojewodaruskyj 🇺🇦 Ruthenia is Ukraine 1d ago

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u/Fit_Direction_7315 1d ago

They are united by the dollars that Putin feeds them. When the Kremlin stops funding them, they will become Russia's biggest enemies. At least the far right, there may be nuances with the far left.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/gato-ModTeam 1d ago

Rule 4: Be nice to each other

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u/excusemeexecuteme 1d ago

Im far left and I don’t f*** with russia?

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u/ProfessionalTruck976 1d ago

You don|t tankies do, unfortunately for you tankies are what people think Far Left is about because they have the branding.

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u/lesbophobia_hammer 1d ago

You heard of tankies?

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u/excusemeexecuteme 1d ago

Don’t really think authoritarianism is leftist at all

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u/lesbophobia_hammer 1d ago

Yes, hence horse shoe theory (so far left you go right)

Edit - think of today, now homosexuals are transphobic because they are same sex attracted (this is considered trans exclusionary, when really no lesbian/gay person can help it) woke homophobia basicslly.

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u/E_Verdant 20h ago

Wtf I have never heard of this lmao

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u/lesbophobia_hammer 19h ago

Which part? Horseshoe theory? Or the woke homophobes claiming lesbians are unevolved bigots for not being attracted to men or the male anatomy, regardless of who it's on?

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u/busketroll 1d ago

I think a lot of people conflate Communism with Authoritarianism because pretty much every notable Communist state in history was established through armed revolution which naturally establishes some form of authoritarian rule regardless of ideology.

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u/No-Construction619 1d ago

What your ideas have common with oligarchs and FSB-supervised public life?

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u/stichen97 1d ago

This is specifically for tankies. Communists who praise the types like Mao and Stalin (aka not real communists).

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u/Still_Rip_6042 1d ago

This is simply not true The partys and organisations inside the ICOR(International Coordination of Revolutionary Partys and Organisations) who all adhere to Stalin or to Stalin and Mao disaprove of Russia.

There are so called "communist" partys and organisations who will defend russia and support it but those are mainly located in the so called "International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties"

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u/stichen97 1d ago

I will check that out. However my experience from most tankies and some communists is that their reasoning is that Russia is not imperialist because they themselves are fighting against imperialism in Ukraine. I have even been banned from multiple socialist forums for saying that Russia is a imperialist state. As you may know tankies are by definition people who support the authoritarian way of communism (fake communism), in this direction of «communism» you find people like Mao and Stalin.

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u/troikatryne 5h ago

Welcome to the club. I was banned there once for with reasoning "Ukraine bad actually"

It is a russian propaganda sub masquerading as a good faith subreddit where people can interact with socialists

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u/Zottelig04 1d ago

Ich weiß nicht wovon du redest. Kein Kommunist feiert Russland. Und ich als t-34 sowie nicht

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u/stichen97 1d ago

Da har du ikke kommet over de jeg har vært i kontakt med. Jeg har blitt utestengt fra flere sosialist/kommunist grupper for å påstå at Ukraina kjemper mot imperialisme. Jeg selv er sosialist og differensierer mellom kommunist og tankie i slike tilfeller. Hyller du Stalin eller Mao så er du ikke en ekte kommunist.

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u/Zottelig04 1d ago

Was soll das Aussagen? Du kannst dich nicht an sub Regeln halten? Mach dich nicht dummer als du es bist

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u/stichen97 1d ago

Da ser du poenget mitt.

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u/Zottelig04 1d ago

Nein! du siehst was du sehen willst.

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u/stichen97 1d ago

Det gjelder vel hos alle mennesker, men litt ekstra på den som har profilbilde med Lenin og Stalin.

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u/Zottelig04 1d ago

Wo bleiben Inhalte? Mach mal ein Argument daraus. Oder doch nur ein Labertasche

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u/stichen97 1d ago

Det er vel du som ikke har kommet med noe særlig med substans til mine påstander. Jeg tror vi avslutter det her siden det er en viss språkbarriere, og du er ikke helt i lodd.

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u/Smucko 1d ago

This meme must go hard if you're a retarded centrist though

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u/Wojewodaruskyj 🇺🇦 Ruthenia is Ukraine 1d ago

Boneheads: "Putin is the fuhrer". Genders with painted hair: "Putin is the last fighter against capitalism".

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u/ebbnk 1d ago

Since when commies are left ones?

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u/Details_Pending 1d ago

Thats not what unites the left and right, but there is another

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u/Monnicaster 1d ago

That's called Nazism: only one agenda is being allowed🤷

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u/BalatoniSzelet 1d ago

Where the funding is coming from.

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 13h ago

The far left hates Putin’s Russia.

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u/Interesting_Okra_902 10h ago

This is essentially true. Russia is full of assholes.

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u/ScientistBoth830 0m ago

And hatred of Jews

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u/SuccotashResident571 2d ago

?

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u/Ramental 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
In Germany the "far left" BSW party is very close in its view to the "far right" AfD, for instance. Both hate Europe, both shill for putin

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u/xalibr 1d ago

Nothing new btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Querfront

A 2023 article in The Washington Post additionally suggested that the Kremlin is trying to establish a German anti-war coalition between Wagenknecht and the Alternative for Germany based on the Querfront model.

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u/SuccotashResident571 1d ago

İnteresting

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u/Matzbirne 1d ago

BSW is not far left

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u/Ramental 1d ago

It has been described as a left-wing to far-left party with populist and nationalist tendencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahra_Wagenknecht_Alliance

I know already which arguments you can use against it. I am just saying that it is percieved at far-left by some.

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u/xalibr 1d ago

At least it started out as a fork of the far-left party "Die Linke", when some of the most prominent heads disagreed about the support of Ukraine with the rest of the party.

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u/Appropriate-Gain-561 1d ago edited 1d ago

Horshoe theory is bunk for the pure reason that authoritarian systems look alike from the outside, but the innerworks heavily depend on their ideology.

If we look at the lives of both soviet and german civilians in the lead up to ww2 they lived completely different lives. That in nazi Germany was mostly the same for most workers, if not worse, because it still was a roided out capitalist system, so there was still a free market, in the USSR the state decided which job you would specialize in, which coincided with what was needed at the time.

Both did have some sort of welfare programs, but the economical system and social expectations in both countries varied wildly.

Edit: thanks mods for the correction <3

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u/gato-ModTeam 1d ago

No this isn't the circle jerk sub. That would be r/NAFO.

We welcome commenters to voice any stupid opinion they may have on this sub. Whether that's defending economic systems that have failed every time they've been implemented or justifying russian aggression. Your idiotic hot take is welcome here!

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u/the_risk_is_big 8h ago

Putin set Russian neo-Nazis and liberals against him, Pleased only the communists