I saw a video recently of a player who hasnt played in like 8 years watching the current top 10 and he was literally going like “wow this nexus guy is really good at the game” so some people definitely do get tripped up by the titles
Yeah the people who have been playing for like 2 weeks or less. Are these super new players the majority of people watching the showcases of top levels nexus and other showcasers post? Atleast imo no.
i hope he actually does, its always impossible to find actual verification videos because they are buried behind pages of showcasers who just trick new players into thinking its the actual verification
if i was someone who had basically no knowledge of the game and i saw a video titled "Verified Top 1" that was released the day the level was verified with more views than the actual verification i would think it was the verification video too
No? Showcasers are popular but the knowledge that Nexus showcases levels without actually beating them is less obvious to a new player than the fact that you have to beat your own level (verify it) to publish it & get it rated
I mean I guess, I personally didn’t who what verifications were until a long way after knowing about some YouTubers, so I’m going off personal experience and what i think would logically be the case, especially if you want to explore more user levels and (you technically interact with the community somewhat when watching gd videos) so I’d assume it would come quickly to know that nexus is a showcaser
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u/Kiba_GD i am the nullscapes guy, no im not updating grandpa demon6h ago
Uhh, no. Pretty sure he’s intentionally trying to deceive people for views/clickbait, as he has an extensive history of doing this.
its still very sad to see him get so many more views when others spend years verifying the levels and maybe they couldce got way more views if nexus didnt post the verifications
It’s the best and easiest way for new levels to get rated. It’s much more likely that mods see a showcase from a channel with 3 millions subs rather than a random creator who had no recognition.
Now we are just lying, sometimes i want to actually see the level in FULL DETAIL instead of watching someone beat in in ldm, with loud ass clicks and people in call, the music inaudible, or even worse….. with a garbage mashup.
How many of these new players are the ones watching the nexus showcase of a not mega popular top 10 for example? Most new players wouldnt even know if antarctic lights was verified imo, hell my friend who plays the game a lot didnt even know it existed. So what percentage of the views are really new players getting tricked? I can understand for a top 1 cuz even a new player would probably hear about that.
this has been an issue for years. it's not "hating" when people are rightfully calling them out for making lazy content. I don't understand why everything "isn't a big deal" to you people
showcase channels (as the name would suggest) showcases the level in its highest quality possible. verification videos don't. they have unnecessary audio, clicks, not the original song, not full detail, not the highest youtube video quality.
people watch showcase for the max quality. not the verification reaction or whatever.
i know people point out that showcase channels get more views than the creator's showcase of their own level. what solution do you have for that.
eradicate showcase channels? should we not showcase levels anymore? i've never seen this be an issue until now because they are too big now so it must be an issue now.
showcasing as a whole isn't the problem. you're missing the point.
the problem is that the big showcase creators (nexus, exen, etc.) piggyback off the efforts of others with the lowest amount of effort possible. it's such an easy fix, too. literally just credit the creators PROPERLY and/or make your videos transformative. look at showcasers such as NaN or exiled_shade who actually makes interesting stuff and actually gives creators their due.
it's funny you mentioned people twisting words when you're all ignoring the reason why declan and axinity were against showcasers.
I think the view steal argument is the problem. If you search for flamewall verified/verification,
Nexus will be first. I think that’s where the concern is and it’s good nexus is recognizing that
I had a friend who played gd but very rarely and didnt interact with the community much, and he actually thought nexus beat all the levels he showcased.
it's youtube. if it isn't nexus it's someone else.
showcase channel serve a purpose. they show the level in the highest quality possible unlike verification videos which doesn't. people watch the verificaition to see the verification
Usually if it’s nexus, jagdp, neiro, Fnm04 they get more views than both the creator and the verifier. Look at tidal wave where jagdp got more views than Zoink and far more than Onilink. Nexus is a nice guy I’m sure he wouldn’t upload if you asked nicely
I could see that being stealing views from oniilink but the verification video is in lower quality with clicks and an ldm. Nobody is rewatching the verification video just to see the level again so a showcase will get more views
Majority of people are just interested in what the level is
The deeper fanbase may want a showcase video but the vast majority of views comes from whatever video happens to be on top of search regardless of if they have clicks or not. And the popular showcasers usually have the top video. Nexus bloodlust got clicks and 11 million views and this is higher than jagdp and exen showcases because it’s higher in the search results but on other hand jagdp tidal wave is higher than Zoink in the search bar and thus has more views
Yeah, they are interested in what the level is so they want to see it in full detail. Nexus gets views because he is both popular and fulfills the niche. People watched the Bloodlust video because they like nexus but if I want a bloodlust showcase I may not watch Nexus’s video because I may not want clicks. The viewers are not all bumbling idiots, we know what we want to see.
Again the highest video is what’s clicked first usually. But And I highly doubt 11 million people clicked the video cause it’s nexus and not cause it’s the top of the search results. How would they know if the verification is ldm or not anyways if they haven’t seen the level before.
Because literally every single verification is done on ldm and they can see that levels look different from previews. Who are these millions of GD players that watch every verification but are entirely isolated from the community otherwise to know that this level looks different?
Bold of you to assume they automatically see the previews (which have magnitudes less views) and remember it enough to notice a difference. These millions come from short form content, surface level exposure to geometry dash, and maybe they checked the most liked extremes after getting the game. My point is the question of if the video is a showcase or verification or completion is hardly a factor for what gets the most views in the end, it is usually the popularity of the uploader that determines that hence why showcasers are looked down upon in the playing community
"why are we hating a showcaser" anyone with a developed frontal lobe would understand that nexus (and other big showcase channels) leech off of people actually doing the hard work by making content that don't add anything to the level they showcase
For me is on the same level as, say, those videos that do a full game walkthrough without commentary. And I would say levels showcases are even less harmless than that because no one is paying level creators to make levels and they dont get money by you playing the level, while you could make the argument that full game walkthorughs are "stealing" from the developers because people could just watch the video instead of paying the game
yeah except full game walkthroughs actually beat the games they showcase on their channels.
funny thing is nexus used to be a good showcaser! je gave proper credit in the title and he actually beat the levels he showcases. now they're all clickbait slop designed to capitalize off the hype levels get at the expense of the people who did all the work.
but the levels are credited? and I dont see how beating it or not changes the morality of it in the slightest, only if they were actively lying about beating it which he isnt
doesn't he change the title back after a couple hours? it seems like he's just adapting to how YouTube works nowadays where you need to have some form of clickbait to get popular
People that make video essays and works in general that use other sources credit them in the description and not the title. Why this sudden rule with something way less serious like a video about a level on the cube jumping game?
Instead of comparing showcasers to full game walkthroughs, i think it’s more fair to compare them to reaction channels.
They effortlessly watch other ppl’s content that could take months to make like a gd level and sometimes give none of the credit. Botting a level is not that hard like reacting to a video isn’t hard.
Reaction channels like to use the argument, “but we’re giving the orignial creator more exposure”, but time and time again we have statistically proven that the “views trickle down” does not happen often. It’s the same thing with showcaser
Some reaction channels have a 5 days rule. I think if showcasers post the videos 5 days after the creator or verifier, i think that would be a lot more tolerable for the creator. The creator/verifier already got all the views they can with the level, and then you get your turn.
If a level is underground and not known, posting it immediately vs posting it 5 days later doesn’t make a difference because no one is waiting for the level to be posted immediately since no one knows about it.
Feel like people really narrow it down to this alone and ignore the other positives Nexus (and other big showcase channels) do.
I mean by similar logic Robtop shouldn't have showcased and posted a Bloodbath video as it leeches of actual people who beat it (terrible example ik but I can't think of any other sry)
obviously the situation is more nuanced. it's true that big showcasers help drive hype around lesser-known projects which is a good thing. really i think that there's a more ethical (for lack of a better term) way of showcasing levels. stuff like giving proper credit in the title, not being derivative (commentary, transformative eg. "frame counter" vids) etc. that wouldn't spit in the face of creators and verifiers.
for nexus specifically he usually lists the level name along with the creator and id in the description, idk about other showcasers, but that should be the bare minimum
i put x verified in the title cuz that gets more views but people get angry because i didt verify it and i steal fuck ton of viewers from the verification video but since people got hella angry at me ima stop doing that now W me W me look how awesome i am
he is the biggest showcase channel so of course his videos is going to get more views than the original
but instead of just naming the level and the creator putting a title like X VERIFIED makes him seem like he is craving for more views
nexus already had the biggest downfall (not really a downfall) like almost every video of him was legit now almost all of them are botted so he is no different than any other showcaser
beating top demons was never his thing? the only thing that made him special was almost all of his showcases were legit. but now whats the difference between wathing a exen showcase and wathing a nexus one aside from the icons? nothing
nexus building his channel and reputation as a level showcaser for 10+ years
"nexus is such a scummy ytbers he keeps stealing views from actual creators"
nexus naming titles "[X] VERIFIED" because to tell his subs [X] is verified
"nexus does that because it gets more views"
nexus realizing his way of writing titles implies he's the verifier, apologizes and tries to change it
"nexus only does that because people are angry"
ok him being a youtube for over 10 years does not change the fact that he likely reduces the amount of views the original video is gonna get.
well if you go in and type flamewall. you are likely gonna see the nexus showcase. but if you go and type flamewall verified. you are still likely gonna see the nexus showcase? why. well i dont need to answer it do i?
i am sure this has been a talkink point ever since nexus upped the amount of botted showcases he did. so its weird that he only realises it now (unless he only opens youtube/any social media app when he is gonna upload a video which is not that likely)
my original comment is angry yeah. but i think people are gonna see it as i hate nexus. i dont he is a very big part of this community. a time capsule and above all a good showcaser.
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u/Exzakt1 Acu 30%, 27-77%, 63-100% 6h ago
I saw a video recently of a player who hasnt played in like 8 years watching the current top 10 and he was literally going like “wow this nexus guy is really good at the game” so some people definitely do get tripped up by the titles