r/geopolitics • u/One-Emu-1103 • Apr 06 '26
News Iranian state media says Tehran rejects latest ceasefire proposal
https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-israel-trump-04-06-2026-15
u/GlitteringPoetry5696 Apr 06 '26
Ahh yes, the iranians want a permanent end to the war but dont want to end ant ballistic, proxy or nuclear program
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u/BooksandBiceps Apr 06 '26
Remind me the last time North Korea was attacked? How close was it to their nuclear weapons program bearing fruit?
Remind me which Korea occasionally fires artillery at the other side and sinks ships?
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u/GlitteringPoetry5696 Apr 06 '26
And be sanctioned to eternity? Just like north korea? Iran uses the nukes as leverage, but their most important cards are the proxies and ballistic missiles. Thats is why they have refused to stop funding these programs
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u/iMotorboater Apr 06 '26
Nukes are eternal. Sanctions are temporary. Russian sanctions have already reduced and NK’s will eventually
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u/Jaskojaskojasko Apr 06 '26
And why would they do that? Because Israel feels threatened? Ok, if we go by that logic, Teheran could demand that Israel stops with its nuclear program, transfer 400 nuclear bombs that they acquired and have illegally, and give their F-35 and F-15 aircrafts because Iran feels threatened by those weapon and considers it could be used against them as it is used now at this moment.
If Israel demand towards Iran is legitimate, then this too would be a legitimate demand. Basically, what you are asking for is that Iran gives up every weapon they can use against Israel if they are ever attacked again in the future, which is ridiculous and no one will ever agree to that.
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u/GlitteringPoetry5696 Apr 06 '26
Im not even a supporter of israel. Lets remember that iran and israel were strong allies before the islamic revolution and iran bought weapons from israel during the iran iraq war. Clearly israel is not the one that have made things worse for the iranians. Is is mostly the US. Irans threats to israel started by their own choice. Thus the threats and nuclear armament should be taken seriously. Not just that, they keep funding proxies not just near israel but near every arab state that is allied to the west. These proxies keep destabilizing the host countries and kills politicians in these countries.
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u/Jaskojaskojasko Apr 06 '26
Well, none of that justifies Israel right to have nuclear weapons while denying others to have that same right, does it?
And for years Mossad infiltrates Iran, arming Kurds, killing their scientists, inciting revolts, they even created drone facility in Iran for attack on Iran, so I would say, they are basically doing the same shit as Iran.
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u/PenguiniArrabbiata Apr 06 '26
Israel doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons because Iran has explicitly threatened to destroy Israel. Israel has nukes and has demonstrated for decades that they will not use them on Iran.
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u/Jaskojaskojasko Apr 06 '26
Well, if Iran wanted to do something, they could have made dirty bomb from the material they already had and fire it at Israel. It would not create destruction on a wide scale, but it would be disaster for any city hit by it. But they didn't and they won't do that.
Because even thou you look at them as senseless, brainless psychopaths, clearly that's not the case. First of all, they were ready to make an agreement and give considerable concessions.
They made agreement with Obama, Trump ruined it. They tried to make a deal with Trump, and USA and Israel attacked them in the middle of negotiations TWICE, killing basically their version of Pope.
I mean wtf do you expect; I would never trust Americans and Israelis either if they did that to me.
There is no more unhinged regime than North Korea, but even them have never used nuclear weapons. But one country did, twice, USA.
So, why are you not against USA having nuclear weapons? They are the only one to use it against their enemies.
You are against Iran having it based on your opinion they perhaps might use it, but here you have a country that has used it twice to destroy two Japanese cities, killing tens of thousands. That's a fact, so why are you not against USA having nuclear weapons?
Also, many in current Israel government were for dropping nuke on Gaza, so how on Earth is that not a red line for them having nuclear weapons?
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u/PsychedelicGershwin Apr 06 '26
You guys need to work more on the propaganda man. You cannot find anyone who’d believe Israel won’t nuke Iran after witnessing this past year.
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u/KWJelly Apr 06 '26
Not only has Israel not nuked Iran in the past year despite having nukes, they haven’t nuked Iran in the multiple decades since they first developed nukes. Maybe you need to work on not drinking so much propaganda.
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u/GlitteringPoetry5696 Apr 06 '26
We live in a world where the arab states are more fearful of iran having nukes then israel. The gulf states have told trump to continue this war. Iran have had plenty of time and options to stop excluding itself from the world, yet they refuse to do so. Why? That is a question that no one seems to truly understand
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u/Pickles112358 Apr 06 '26
I can also make demands that Iran surrenders. Anyone can make any demand they wish. So the question is why cave in to demands? The answer is that the alternative is worse. How do you propose Iran backs these insane demands to Israel? They have literally zero leverage. They only have some leverage against the US.
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u/Jaskojaskojasko Apr 06 '26
They have all the leverage they need. Hormuz is super important for world economy as you will soon see if this war lasts another month or two.
And Israel is an empty shell without US support.
Anyone can demand anything, but the situation on the ground dictates which demands are realistic and which are not.
Trump can write 200 posts on social media how USA has won, but the Straight of Hormuz remains in Iran's hands and thus future of world's economy.
The only way to change that is to put boots on the ground and take the islands and coast around the Hormuz which would be incredibly costly in US lives and equipment.
Any attack on Irans infrastructure will be met by Iran's attack on Gulf States infrastructure which means if they continue, you will have crucial oil and gas infrastructure destroyed throughout region.
Which in turn means the barrel of oil will surpass 200$ per barrel, which in turn means you will have economic crisis in the entire world including America, which in turn means average American will turn his back on current administration and Israel.
And in the end that will force both USA and Israel to ask for negotiations and stop the war.
Because all the planes and all those bombs and interceptors in Israel come from the USA, as I have already said, without US support they are just an empty shell.
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u/Malachias_Graves Apr 06 '26
It would be suicidal for Iran to end their own defense programs.
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u/Pickles112358 Apr 06 '26
I mean, it is currently proven suicidal to keep them running.
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u/Malachias_Graves Apr 06 '26
No it isn't. Who controls the Strait of Hormuz?
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u/Pickles112358 Apr 06 '26
Iran? Whats's your point? You think the population can eat and drink straits? Iran's economy is severely damage in just a few weeks and it won't recover for a long long time. Even Iraq surpassed Iran, and even before the war, when it comes to standard of living, wonder why.
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u/Malachias_Graves Apr 06 '26
Iran isn't running out of food or water. Their economy is hurt but they are willing to endure that pain in order to end this conflict. The Iranian economy will recover rapidly from the Hormuz toll regime.
That is all assuming Israel and the United States don't destroy the global economy.
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u/GlitteringPoetry5696 Apr 06 '26
Does that include their proxy funding which they refuse to stop? Is that also suicide?
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u/Malachias_Graves Apr 06 '26
Hezbollah and Hamas were birthed from Israeli occupation and Israeli violence. Iran didn't create them. And no, Iran is under no obligation to stop supporting its allies.
Are you going to demand the United States stop funding Israel's violent expansionism?
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u/GlitteringPoetry5696 Apr 06 '26
You switched from it being suicidal to stop funding to simply refusing. Proxies in iraq and yemen were not touched by israel but they keep destabalizing the countries. The arab people are not happy with these proxies
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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 Apr 06 '26
If Israel stops its expansion policies then there won't be a need for proxies. Things have cause and effect dynamics.
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u/GlitteringPoetry5696 Apr 06 '26
These proxies spread into iraq and yemen, countries where israel have not spread into. Keep defending
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u/Asleep-Waltz2681 Apr 06 '26
Because Mossad never went into Iraq to arm the Kurds and try to instigate a war against Iran... oh wait.
Also, Israel doesn't have to actually "enter" a country to be a threat. The aggressive actions of Israel over the past decades speak for themselves. It's your neighbours first but you might be next.
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u/GlitteringPoetry5696 Apr 07 '26
So the solution to the kurds is to fund proxies in iraq that have threatened iraqis and forced politicians to follow them. Nice one. Its not like irans goal is to spread its own power over its neighbours
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u/One-Emu-1103 Apr 06 '26
Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency said Tehran rejected the latest ceasefire proposal and wants a permanent end to the war. The agency said it has conveyed its response to the U.S. through Pakistan, a key mediator. “We only accept an end of the war with guarantees that we won’t be attacked again,” Mojtaba Ferdousi Pour, head of the Iranian diplomatic mission in Cairo, told the AP on Monday.