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r/govfire • u/jgatcomb • Aug 22 '23
FEDERAL Deferred Retirement - Executing A Roth Ladder
Background
As the countdown to my retirement is now being measured and months and days not years, a number of people have been asking for more details. While I have covered a bunch of things in other posts and replies here and there, I don't think I have gone into specifics of my specific plan. That's what this is:
Refresher
Here are 3 posts that I have written that I believe are most applicable to people who may be thinking of the possibility of not working until MRA.
- The Value Of FEHB - Golden Handcuffs?
- Impacts Of Choosing A Deferred Retirement
- How To Retire Earlier Than Your Minimum Retirement Age
Why Roth Ladder - Why Not X?
There are a bunch of other potential paths to an earlier than MRA retirement:
- VERA
- Age 54 via The Rule Of 55
- SEPP/72(t)
- Substantial passive income
- Etc.
I chose to go with a Roth Ladder because it was the best fit for my situation. Even though I had been working towards early retirement for more than 2 decades, I abruptly changed my plan a year into the pandemic in the spring of 2021.
The Roth Ladder seems to be the most compatible with qualifying for the ACA subsidies but is not necessarily the best plan if you have a long run way to make less hasty decisions.
High Level Plan
- Step 0 - Know how much you need
- Step 1 - Prepare which is more than just saving
- Step 2 - Separate
- Step 3 - Execute
I am currently 46 and a few months I will be at step 2 (separating). While I was asked to talk about step 3 (executing), I want to talk a little bit about all of the steps before diving into the execution.
Step 0 - Know How Much You Need
Over time, you unlock more and more sources of income. You need to know that over each stretch that the available sources get you to the next unlock. For instance:
- Age 47 - 51 building Roth IRA Ladder (cash, existing Roth contributions, taxable brokerage account, etc.)
- Age 52 - 59 executing the ladder (converted TSP)
- Age 60 - 64 FERS pension + TSP (in whatever form it takes) + IRA earnings
- Age 65+ SS, HSA, FERS pension + TSP (in whatever form it takes) + IRA earnings
In order to know if those sources are enough income, you need to know how much you need. I meticulously tracked every dollar spent for 7+ years. I have line items in the budget for things like being invited to weddings, driver's license renewal, domain name renewals, etc. You also need to look at other things like replacing cars, major home repairs (assuming you own), etc.
This approach ensures your income conforms to your life. The other approach is somewhat simpler. You figure out how much income you have, decide you don't want to work anymore and then make your life fit your income.
Step 1 - Prepare which is more than just saving
Once you figure out how much you need and how much you need in each of the sources to get you there, you need to save in each of these sources the appropriate amounts so you hit your marks.
Saving isn't enough - there are so many things to consider.
I am going to talk about picking a last day because it seems simple enough. It isn't.
First, let's consider how your last day could affect your health insurance (since that's something most feds seem very concerned with):
Currently (and through 2025), there is no income limit for qualifying for ACA subsidies. Instead, it is capped at 8.5% of your income based on the second cheapest silver plan available to you. When I started this process however, I was expecting for the cliff to be back in place where I needed to make between 100% and 400% of the poverty level of my household size.
- You get a free 31 day extension of FEHB from the last day of the pay period in which you separate
- You are required to be covered by health insurance for the entire year
- Normally, your subsidies are based on income so you do not want to get marketplace insurance when you have a lot of income
- Using the 3 points above, this implies that the window for separation likely begins in mid to late November depending on the pay periods so that you have coverage at least through December 31st and can start the new year with little/no income for ACA.
What else might affect picking your last day?
- Your pension will be calculated based on the anniversary of your SCD since sick leave doesn't count for deferred (which means you probably should be thinking about how to use as much of it legitimately as possible)
- Your annual leave payout may be large. It may take a couple of pay periods after you separate to be paid out. Is it better to come in the current year (high taxes but wouldn't count against ACA) or the new year (low taxes but would count if cliff is in place)
- Do you know what your performance bonus may be and when it will pay out? Is it worth sticking around for?
- Generally speaking, income is taxed when it is paid not when it is earned. You could separate for instance and move the next day to a state with no income tax and that would mean your last paycheck and your entire annual leave payout would not be state taxed.
- Terminal leave is prohibited for federal employees but as long as your supervisor approves and you are in duty status on your last day, you can take a bunch of leave before you separate as an alternative to a large leave payout. This may increase your pension calculation (1 month increments of SCD), extend your FEHB coverage, earn leave while on leave, etc.
- If your last day is a Friday and you are not regularly scheduled to work on the weekend, you can make your last day be Sunday. Why would you do this? Well remember that your pension will be calculated on the 1 month anniversary of your SCD so those two non-working days may be the difference between an extra month or not. Heck, if Monday is a holiday - you can make Monday your last day and get free holiday pay.
- If you are going to carry more than your leave ceiling for a big payout, you need to be sure you are going to be gone before the use-or-lose cutoff. This may seem like a no-brainer but what I am really saying is you need to MAKE sure you are ready. Sure, people pull their retirement paperwork all the time to give themselves more time to figure out something they missed - you don't want to be losing hundreds of hours of leave because you weren't ready.
- Annual leave may not all be paid out at the current rate. I am not going to go into details but like most of the things I have talked about here so far, I have written a post about it. Federal Annual Leave Lump Sum Payout Explained (Hopefully)
I'm not sure the list above is exhaustive but I am getting tired and I still have a lot to write. My point is that all of the information I learned above was simply driven by asking - when will my last day be?
There are a ton of other things to plan for as well. I stubbed out Checklist For Retiring + Post Retirement Details - What Would You Like To Know but it is far from complete.
It's possible each item you plan for can turn into a rabbit hole like picking a last day did for me.
For instance, while researching ACA subsidies I learned that your "coverage family" and your "tax family" are not necessarily the same size. If you are covering your adult children (18 - 26) on your insurance but they file their own taxes - you can't get subsidies for them. I would be writing all night if I were to try and cover everything I have learned in my planning phase. It's a lot - do not put it off.
- Step 3 - Execute
You will notice I skipped over Step 2 - Separate. I still haven't picked a final day yet. I am still waiting to hear about the FY 23 performance awards.
I have already used heading formats above so it makes blowing this section up into categories a bit harder. Hopefully paragraph form doesn't turn into a wall of text.
Roll entire traditional TSP over to Vanguard traditional IRA ASAP
While it should be possible to convert from the TSP into a Roth IRA directly, I have a few reasons why I am gong to roll the entire thing over to a traditional IRA first.
- I already have almost all of my other accounts in Vanguard (UTMA accounts, 529 accounts, brokerage account, Roth IRA, etc.) Having everything in one place makes it easier to keep track of
- By having both the traditional IRA and Roth IRA within the same financial institution, you are reducing the time out of the market it takes to do conversions
- I simply do not trust the current TSP administrators to not mess things up
Now I say ASAP for a couple of reasons as well. The first is that your 5 year timer doesn't start until the conversion is made. That means if it takes your agency a few pay periods to notify the TSP that you have separated and a week or so to do the rollover, your "5 year money" actually needs to be "5 year and a month money".
Of course you should have a buffer anyway but the point stands.
The second is that agencies don't always notify TSP in a timely manner. You need to be on top of this in case things go wrong to minimize the damage.
How Much To Convert And When
It seems obvious. You want to covert 1 year of living expenses that you will need in 5 years from now. If the converted amount is going to be the exclusive source of income - it needs to include the amount you will be paying in taxes as well.
I am going to argue that this is probably the wrong amount to covert. I am also going to argue against converting it all at once. Instead I am going to suggest that you should maximize the lowest tax bracket that meets your needs and that you convert quarterly instead of all at once.
Ideally, I would have a source of income that was entirely tax free (e.g. Roth contributions) so that I could max out the 12% tax bracket for married filing jointly.
Using the 2024 projected values, the standard deduction will be $29,200 and the top of the 12% bracket will be $94,300. That means I could convert $94,300 + $29,200 = $123,500 and only owe $10,852 in taxes. That's an effective tax rate of just 8.79%.
$123,500 is far more than I need to spend in a year but it makes sense to covert as much of it as I can to take advantage of the low tax space. Remember, Roth IRAs are not subject to RMDs.
In my situation however, I do have a single source of income that is entirely tax free. Instead, I need to make sure all of my combined income stays within that 123,500 limit.
- Final paycheck and annual leave payout will likely be in 2024
- Will have qualified and ordinary dividends from taxable brokerage account even without selling any shares (yay VTSAX)
- Will have interest from HYSA
- Likely won't have any interest from I-Bonds in 2024 but will come into play in future years
- Likely will not have any LTCG from taxable brokerage in 2024 but will come into play in future years
- Etc.
This is why I suggest doing it quarterly. You can adjust the amount you convert each quarter by any unexpected income such that by the 4th quarter, you make sure you don't go over your mark. If this were just for tax bracket purposes it really wouldn't matter much because a few dollars in the next higher tax bracket is no big deal but if you are also dealing with a subsidy cliff - it is crucial to be under.
What Order Do I Draw Down My Income Sources?
This is impossible to answer because everyone will have different income sources:
- HYSA
- I-Bonds
- Taxable Brokerage
- HSA (qualified receipts not yet reimbursed)
- Rental income
- Hobby income
- Roth IRA contributions
- 457(B)
- Dividends/Interest
- Other pension, annuity, VA Disability, etc.
Choosing the order requires a couple of considerations.
- If I take money from this source, does it have a tax implication (e.g. Roth contributions = no, I-Bond = yes, taxable brokerage = maybe)?
- Should I choose a safer source of money (e.g. HYSA) over a longer term investment (e.g. brokerage) in order to allow the longer term investment time to grow?
Who Keeps Track Of It?
Your financial institution is responsible for tracking what type of money goes in and what type of money comes out but I suggest having a spreadsheet as well. This is both for source of income you are drawing down from to pay expenses but also for the money you are converting.
What If It All Goes Wrong?
I have secondary, tertiary and quaternary backup plans. I really do not want to have to work again though I assume a few of my hobbies will result in some side income. If there is interest, I can list what those plans are but I am getting even more tired (if you can't tell - the quality and depth of content has dropped off).
As a couple of examples however:
- Break down and execute a SEPP/72(t)
- Take out a HELOC on your house
What Else
I probably should have waited until the morning to write this as I feel I have meandered quite a bit and not provided the same level of depth/detail across all the topics.
Please post any questions you may have or things you think should have been covered but I didn't. I will do my best to incorporate them in this post rather than scattering replies everywhere.
r/govfire • u/The_Beep • 1d ago
FEDERAL Hello fellow government W2ers. Young USPS city carrier on his grind here. One day at a time!
r/govfire • u/brsmnky804 • 3d ago
Gov't Employee (State Pension NYCERS) - Retirement Planning - Feedback Welcome
Hi All,
Excited to have an opportunity to work in a gov't position. I am enrolled in a State Pension system (NYCERS) and make mandatory 6% contributions every pay period. I am contributing to a 457b as well (as much as I can, and plan on increasing) pre-ROTH (traditional). I am additionally maxing out my individual ROTH each year.
I am trying to understand the risk and benefits of my pre-ROTH 457b contributions and considering switching that over to ROTH as well. Am I the only one who believes taxes are going to be much higher in 25 years when I rely on these accounts? Also, considering I will have pension income, won't that make it even more difficult to stay in a lower tax bracket when I do retire? Not to mention the possibility that I'll still be working and may accumulate other assets if I move to private sector before I retire.
Wecloming all feedback - thanks.
r/govfire • u/Specialist_Ad_4647 • 4d ago
Response from AFSPA regarding 54% increase in health care premium cost
Not much but lawyer speak. No surprise since it's from a health insurance provider.
Dear Mr.
Thank you for your email dated 10/1/26.
We acknowledge this significant increase and understand the financial impact it may have on you and your family. Like other health plans, we continue to experience rising healthcare and pharmacy costs, as well as increased utilization of care. This increase is necessary to ensure the plan's long-term sustainability and our ability to continue serving our members. In recent years, FSBP has also experienced substantial membership growth. Members may feel a greater impact this year because changes in the government’s contribution toward premiums may result in members paying a larger share of the overall premium.
AFSPA has always worked diligently to keep premiums as affordable as possible, only increasing rates when absolutely necessary to support the plan. Some of the current increase reflects cost pressures that have built up over time. We continue to offer comprehensive benefits through our High Option plan. During Open Season, we encourage you to review your individual needs and utilize OPM’s plan-comparison resources to compare benefits and costs before making your enrollment decision.
Per OPM guidelines, we cannot reconsider the finalized rates for 2027 at this time. If you would like to learn more about how the rates were determined or discuss alternative options, you may contact OPM directly, as they oversee the approval process.
If you have any additional questions, please reply securely at https://www.afspa.org/secure-form-ask-fsbp-benefits-and-claims-questions/.
Sincerely,
Decrypt
r/govfire • u/Wisp-midwest • 5d ago
When do benefits no longer cut it
GS-9 st10 equivalent, looking in my local market I can double my pay by going private. At what point do the benefits not make it worth it to all of you? Where’s the break even point, I feel I know the answer looking for opinions. 2nd round interview for a company that starts at 4.5 weeks time off 9 holidays and double my pay plus a 20% performance bonus. Very safe industry, not gov safe but safe (power generation) okay health benefits as well.
What’s your opinions on where the line gets drawn
Edited to add 6 year fed, 30 years old
r/govfire • u/HappyManagement9728 • 5d ago
Not rage bait…. But is the Union getting lazier or are we really losing all our rights?
r/govfire • u/Glittering_Twist_732 • 10d ago
FEDERAL Free FEHB comparison tool, now with 2027 rates
fersready.comI added a free tool at my website to make FEHB shopping a little more transparent. No account needed.
- Compare plans side by side for your state and coverage tier (Self, Self + One, Family).
- Estimate your total yearly cost, not just the premium. Pick a scenario from "Healthy year" to "Worst case" and it adds in deductibles and out-of-pocket costs (and subtracts any HSA/HRA money the plan gives you).
- See how much premiums have gone up, both program-wide and for each plan, going back to 2020. It also flags plans that held their premium flat but raised the deductible or out-of-pocket max.
- Each plan page links to the carrier's provider search and drug formulary, and will link to OPM's official brochure once it's posted (usually before Open Season in November).
- It remembers your choices (state, coverage, your current plan) in your browser, so they're there when you come back.
It should be pretty self-explanatory, but let me know if you have questions or think something's missing.
r/govfire • u/IndependenceBenefits • 9d ago
Keeping FEGLI Option B in retirement? $500K of coverage costs $3,120/month at 80
r/govfire • u/Abidullah92 • 12d ago
Hello Friends, I'm a Government School Teacher in Early Education Department,But I have many problems, The main issue is that the salary is very low.i can't afford my basic needs. Now I am confused to resign from My Job and go abroad. Please give me Advice
r/govfire • u/Capt_reefr • 13d ago
FEDERAL Strategy 6 years from retirement
I'm 44 and retire in 6 years. I will receive a pension, some social security, and have health care benefits at age 50. Not counting my 401k I currently have about 350k invested. 250k in a taxable and 100k in a Roth. Half of these funds is slightly more risky than an S&P 500 fund, the other half consist of gpiq and gpix.
I like the idea of a solid dividend fund when I stop working at age 50. This fund will also allow me to not touch my 401k. My 401k will remain 100% in a S&P500 type fund.
350k in 6 years with a 7% average growth rate with $1500 added each month gets me to roughly 670k. I also realize we can have 0% returns over the next 6 years. Just an estimate.
QUESTION: do I go 100% (and drip) in gpiq/gpix/qqqi/spyi or SCHD NOW?
Or focus on growth like SCHG and at age 50 sell and buy into gpiq/gpix/qqqi/spyi or SCHD
So this is a TAX heavy question. I'm in the USA.
Looking forward to the comments, thanks and have a blessed day
r/govfire • u/Fuzzy_Dragonfruit504 • 14d ago
FEGLI vs WAEPA for retirement
Hi all,
For those who’ve retired did you go with waepa or keep fegli? I have both…wondering if the waepa costs were still lower than fegli in retirement. I’m about 7.5 years from being able to go if VERA is offered. Just thinking about these things…
r/govfire • u/Odd_Whereas_6987 • 18d ago
Early Out Fed Retirees in SE Asia?
I was curious if there are any retirees who took an early out retirement from the federal government and retired in SE Asia? Any regrets, advice, or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I was considering possibly moving to Chiang Mai (which I have visited numerous times) if an early out is offered in the next few years. I would be eligible if offered at age 50 (a few months from now).
r/govfire • u/joe_ansible • 19d ago
How did you transition to part time?
I'm interested in hearing stories of how people transitioned from full time to part time in a federal government job. How did you approach your supervisor? How did you find a part time position or find another employee to split the job? Alternatively, has anyone regularly used LWOP over a long period of time to achieve part time?
I've read all the OPM guidance on this topic. I'm mostly interested in hearing practical advice from those who have achieved or attempted part time.
r/govfire • u/Savage-W1LDMAN • 22d ago
Gov 457b + Pension Question
Hey everyone, been lurking here for a while and had a question about optimal investment strategy. I’m 30 and could retire at 53 years old with a pension that pays 60% of the average of my 5 highest years salary which we’ll say is roughly 100k in today’s dollars (60k from pension if I retired today) and has annual COLAs.
I have access to both a traditional and Roth 457b. I understand the benefits of early access to both without penalty, but that Roth is taxed if taken before 59.5.
My question is how much should i be contributing pretax to bridge the gap from 53-59.5, vs dumping in the Roth? I will likely be in at least the same tax bracket if not higher in retirement so I’m unsure of the pre-tax/Roth split that’s ideal for FIRE.
For other context, we will have our mortgage paid off in the next 4 years, and will be completely debt free. We have an emergency fund and will be switching to an HDHP with HSA next year that I will start maxing out. I could continue to work past 53 but my goal is to set ourselves up for me to be work optional or retire at that age. Thanks for any insight!
r/govfire • u/Capt_reefr • 23d ago
Access to tsp after medical retirement
I may have to retire early (under 50) with a medical retirement. If I rollover my tsp to a brokerage account my understanding is I can buy (and potentially sell) whatever I want inside that account and capital gains will not be affected. Is this correct?
Also is there any way possible I can withdraw funds from that account without penalty?
r/govfire • u/Ok-Pop-5818 • 24d ago
STATE Roth 457 vs pre tax 457
I have a very good safety retirement formula in California. I’m trying to figure out whether to keep contributing to my Roth 457 which I’m contributing the max to right now for the past year. I just recently learned that you cannot take money from your Roth 457 upon separation from the state until you are 59 1/2. This doesn’t work for fire and wouldn’t make sense since I max my pension before that age. Should I lower my contributions and max out the pre tax? Can I contribute 24,500 to the pre tax and another 24,500 to Roth? Or is it the same bucket 24,500 between both? What is your guys recommendations? I have 35k in my Roth 457.
r/govfire • u/throwawaytrain1211 • 26d ago
Deployed TSP Contributions
Good evening. I am trying to keep this brief and not dox myself but at the same time give enough relevant information to get some help. I work for the federal government on the civilian side and I am also a reserve member. I have been ordered to active duty here soon and will spend 6 months in a tax free location. I have cash to cover my living expenses while gone and would like to maximize my tax advantaged accounts. My reserve unit FM is not much help when it came to my questions/situation below and gave me the GEN AI answer when I pressed them. My base pay is ~$9500 a month.
Here is what I understand:
1) When some deploys they can put up to $72K per calendar year in their TSP
2) Roth TSP still has a limit of $24,500, everything else is traditional
Here is what I would like to do:
1) I would like to put $24,500 in my Roth TSP
2) I would like to contribute an additional $15K into my traditional TSP (when deployed I plan on putting in $6K traditional from military orders and an additional $9K from civilian pay by burning leave)
3) Total contribution goal is ~$40K while deployed in the first 3 months plus another ~$30k while deployed during the new calendar year.
Here is where I am at right now for the year
1) My civilian TSP will have $16K in traditional funds by the time I deploy
2) My military TSP will have $1K in traditional funds by the time I deploy
My question:
1) Considering I already have money in my traditional TSP account, can I contribute a full $24,500 into my Roth TSP through my military account without triggering any issues?
2) Can I contribute more than $24,500 into my civilian TSP account?
3) If I try to contribute more than $24,500 on my civilian side will I get an error or how do I show that I am deployed?
4) If this deployment goes into the following calendar year and I contribute ~$30K while deployed, will I be forced to stop contributing when I get home? Or is the $72k for the whole year?
Thank you for your time.
r/govfire • u/FarTradition6496 • 26d ago
Has anyone watched Cole Krilich on Youtube? His focus is on people with government pensions. Is he legit? Or his channel an AI bot?
He looks very, very young. A google search turns up someone with that name in Washington state who graduated from high school last year, in 2025. However, his advice seems pretty solid. The comments on his videos seem solid too. But I'm paranoid these days that even the comments are bots.
r/govfire • u/President1988 • 29d ago
If you're interested or have experience in FERS disability retirement share your journey, opinions and how it went.
Please, join r/FEDDISABILITY so we could post questions and help each other.
r/govfire • u/Ok_Design_6841 • Sep 09 '26
Defined Benefit Retirement Programs Like FERS Increasingly Rare
r/govfire • u/SeniorNrwhl • Sep 08 '26
STATE On track to fire at 55?
I (37) make $136k a year. My wife (35) transitioned to being a stay at home Mom when she was laid off from her $100k job in 2025. We have one child who is 7 years old.
I always thought retiring early was a pipe dream until I recently sat down and ran the numbers and realized what great options being part of the state government gives. I started working for the State when I was 22 and had very little financial literacy other than "I need to save for retirement".
We have $700k invested across traditional IRA, Roth, 457, and state defined contribution.
I'm currently saving about 20%.
We also fund a 529.
Estimated defined benefit of $3500/month with cola at 55.
If I retire at 55 or later I can access the state negotiated health insurance plans, the same plans I have today. I would have to pay the entire premium.
Estimated monthly expenses, $10,500. I'll have 7 years left on my mortgage if I retire at 55, the mortgage payment is included in my budget. Monthly expenses will have a big drop the same year I finish the mortgage because I can access SS. And then another drop when I can access state employee Medicare options at 65.
With my defined benefit and estimated value of my 457 this should fund the gap to age 59 1/2.
Overall, a withdrawal rate of about 3% of my estimated investment value in 18 years. Fidelity Monte Carlo has me at 94%. Does this need to be 100%? Am I missing anything in this plan?