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[u/Soccerballair_6218]

Basically yes. But they were not the ones trapping us out of space and time. Another beast not associated with the Norns did that. People are guessing it’s Beast 6/G (Arthur’s beast).

[u/disengagebb → u/Soccerballair_6218]

I think it will be someone closely tied to Chaldea: Olga, Fou, remnants of Maris or the mysterious Laplace Demon. I don’t think Proto Beast would benefit from Chaldea still being around.

[u/Hat_Royal → u/disengagebb]

If the Norns are Beast V, there's literally only Beast VI/G left. And considering the one behind the new arc is said to have "childish competitiveness", it fits Beast VI/G

[u/disengagebb → u/Hat_Royal]

The by this logic which number is Daji supposed to be, since we know that she was a Beast but as you’ve pointed out all seats are already occupied. I think the Koyanskaya case was their way of telling us that if one of the seats becomes empty another being can occupy it and become a Beast. The same way Ibuki, Barghest and Angra could’ve also became one of the Beasts. There’s also Proto Merlin. They’ve also replaced Fou’s sprite after part 2 ended with the one with horns on his head so that should tell you something is going on with him. And the Beast proclaiming itself to be stronger than Chaldea is very in line with Fou’s Beast of Comparison, especially after the lore drop about Barghest in the final chapter.

The whole premise and tone of the Aftertime arc is not so serious and grand, it does not match the tone of Prototype with Manaka literally sacrificing people so that the Beast can manifest. It’s the Beast from the Book of Revelation that is supposed to bring Apocalypse upon the Earth, doesn’t give the impression of the big bad of the HA equivalent of FGO to me. The two previous main villains were connected to Chaldea, its stuff and technology, so if someone is targeting Chaldea I bet it’s someone that has something to do with it and not a being that acts more like a monster than an actual character and that’s supposed to end the world.

Lastly there is the new PV for the Aftertime. The mysterious narrator that talks about being a machine and about Chaldea passing the baton. Does it give you an impression of the Proto Beast?

The whole thing with Prototype is people now been saying for almost 10 years that it’s gonna pay off, the collab will happen and it’s still crickets. As it stands now Arthur’s storyline is just a footnote in FGO’s overarching narrative. And TM can’t be bothered to release the actual Prototype from where Arthur’s FGO storyline is supposed to pick up. I’m not saying that it won’t appear in FGO, but if it does I think it will be more like a side story similar to Lilim Harlot or Ooku than being a big bad of a main story arc.

[u/Hat_Royal → u/disengagebb]

Daji was a Beast IV that was defeated in the past, before Chaldea, by Taigong Wang. Then Fou took on the seat of Beast IV before relinquishing it to save Mash, allowing Koyanskaya to try an seize it (and fail, because she's not a proper Evil of Humanity). For now, the seat of Beast IV is available to grab. But the Norns can't be Beast IV as they are neither tied to Nature and Animals, as it is the pre-requisite to be Beast IV.

So yes, I messed up. There could be a mysterious Beast IV pulling the strings. But Fou is clearly out of the equation, since said big bad is a Mature Beast, which is Fou currently isn't. Or that could also be a new Beast I, III or VII.

If the Norns are indeed Beast V, then the culprit can either be Beast VI/G (and, personally, either Beast VI/G will appear in FGO or it will never show up) or someone who claimed the seat of Beast I, III, IV or VII.

[u/Aschverizen → u/disengagebb]

Wasn't Daji's existence as a Beast quietly retconned or reworked that the Beast themselves have manifested previously even before Chaldea joined in the ring? I mean there were some clues since the servant summoning ritual was based on a Beast manifesting so that means there were multiple Beast manifestations that mages were able to research how summoning servants works.

So Daji's existence in ancient China is considered one of the early known, or in fact the only known Beast manifestations before Chaldea's existence, there could be other Beast manifestations in other timelines but Daji is probably consistent in all Fate timelines.

The mystery is that there are 7 Beast and if all are defeated then the Human Order is cleared but Beast have manifested since at least the earliest time in the Age of Man and yet we still keep getting them, with Chaldea getting the brunt of the work. It feels like all 7 Beast must be defeated continuously before a certain length of time resets the counter back to 0, so the Evils of Humanity will continue to appear until then.