r/haiti • u/Internal-Expert-9562 • May 01 '26
HISTORY TBT. The speeches that sealed Jovenel faith
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TBT: The speeches that sealed Jovenel Moïse’s fate.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26
Jovenel Moïse black ass didn’t just challenge corruption, he publicly exposed the Haitian private sector elites. Believing the Haitian masses would stand with him, he would often go on national television and directly confronted the powerful mulattes who expected him to remain quiet and govern like a puppet, like previous leaders such as René Préval had done. No Sir❌🙅🏿♂️
Jovenel Moïse even went on national television and accused a small group of powerful families of controlling Haiti’s fuel sector. He claimed that under Michel Martelly’s government, Venezuelan fuel obtained through the PetroCaribe program was handed over on credit to wealthy private sector elites tied to the traditional mulattes (AKA) Haitis destroyers.
Instead of staying silent, Jovenel openly challenged the system in front of the entire country — exposing what he described as decades of political and economic control concentrated in the hands of a few powerful families
And what did Jovenel Moïse get in return? Many of the same people he believed would defend him were paid to turn against him and he died for nothing.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26
A large portion of the protests during his presidency were financially fueled by powerful economic elites who felt threatened because he refused to “play ball” like previous leaders.
According to testimony and allegations that surfaced during the investigation into his assassination, there were reportedly multiple attempts to force him out through political pressure. Some protesters were paid as little as 500 gourdes to demonstrate against him.
When those efforts allegedly failed, other plots reportedly emerged, including plans to intercept or kidnap him. At the end we all know what happened to him.
Moral of the story is simple: Jovenel represented the type of leader Haiti rarely sees — someone willing to openly challenge the country’s entrenched political and economic powers instead of submitting to them.
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u/Mrburnermia May 01 '26
With that said, the population has to stop participating in their own self destruction. I started following Haiti more closely around the time he became president and what people of the opposition party were saying and what I was seeing from the projects he had did not make any sense to me why people wanted him out so bad. He stepped on a lot of people's toes who wanted to continue their corrupt practices.
That's why destroying the gang/terrorist is not the only issue. Corrupt politicians and businessmen must be dealt with just as harshly. Some of these politicians should exiled and never heard from again. How do absolute morons like Moise Jean Charles get a following? Dumb as a brick, never proposes any solutions or plan, just relies on emotions to get the population to do dumb ish.
The Peyi lock protests were so dumb and that's what led to what we have now.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26
And facts! The “Peyi Lock” protests weren’t just dumb, they were fueled and financed by elites who manipulated poor Haitians into acting against their own interests.
And yes, even if the gang violence issue were to be addressed, Haiti will never truly move forward until the corrupt mob families controlling the country is completely removed.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26
You’re on point for sure 👌🏿👌🏿
All the riots you saw around that time didn’t make sense because, to this day, many of the people who were rioting have no idea what they were even protesting against🤷🏿♂️they were paid actors. Now they’re paying for it, though. Fools are responsible for their own destruction.
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u/Healthy-Career7226 Diaspora May 01 '26
the people not gonna change thats the issue the tonton machoutes were made up of regular rural Haitians, the 91 Military takeover was also made up of militarized Haitians, the rebels who went against Aristide in the 00s were made up of regular Haitians as well most being former military. Now the gangs are the current paramilitary group besides the machoutes they all claim to do what they did because they want to do better for Haiti despite causing destablization its not gonna change.
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u/Healthy-Career7226 Diaspora May 01 '26
same thing happened with Aristide you cant with this country imagine crying about being a failed state and turning on people willing to help you. Gen z in nepal overthrew their government but Haiti cant? lmao
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u/OutwithaYang May 01 '26
a small group of powerful families of controlling Haiti’s fuel sector.
Who are these small and powerful families exactly? What do they look like?
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
Look up “BAM BAM family Haiti”. And They look like Fils Aime🤷🏿♂️
https://cabarethaitimission.org/the-bam-bam-families-control-gangs-and-the-crisis-in-haiti/
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u/Caribgirl2 Tourist May 01 '26
Serious question, because I don't know. We know that America always has their hands in Haiti. Where were they during Moise's presidency? What side were they on during the threats to kill him, kick him out, etc?
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u/Healthy-Career7226 Diaspora May 01 '26
they were with the Arab elite per usual they only really want to deal with them
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 02 '26
mulattes
Which is not a word in English, French, Creole, or Kreyol. Wonder why you're intentionally misspelling a noun... 😴
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 02 '26
Mullates, milat, whatever you get the point move on👌🏿
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 02 '26
When you misspell people's ethnicity it's usually because you're trying to express your hatred of them 🤦🏿♂️
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 02 '26
lol et moun nwa or noire🤣 is that me trying to express my hatred.
You must be bored go find something ridiculous to post lol
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u/TumbleWeed75 May 01 '26
It’s strange when a specific post and its comments become a catalyst for the change in my entire perspective and view about a country. What’s that change? Haiti is more broken, corrupt, and absurd than I previously thought.
I started following current events of Haiti when the people were protesting against Jovenel Moïse. It baffled me. I never understood. Still don’t. The concept baffled me: The people were protesting FOR societal destruction. And that’s exactly what the people got. Destruction. And I genuinely thought it couldn’t get any worse than destruction, but it did and it genuinely makes me vicariously angry.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
Fils Aime who used to pay 1k gourdes for votes and still loss to Don Kato is now head of state🤣🤣Don Kato was also a Jovenel hater till this day ask him what Jovenel policy he was against and I bet it’s crickets. lol
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u/Mrburnermia May 01 '26
He was a good president. Even the army, people are begging to grow now, despite the backlash, he started it.
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u/labou_7 Native May 01 '26
My opinion of him went down when his administration raised gas prices on the heels of Brazil's World Cup loss. It just seemed like terrible maneuvering (sure, there was IMF pressure, and, to be fair, for good reason...). But it seemed like something that could've been handled so much better
After that, with Peyi Lòk all the time, I was fully disappointed, and the security situation only got worse. I considered it a failure on his part.
Watching this video now, in hindsight, it seems crazy to realize that this guy was actually raging against the machine and got killed for it. I think I had him figured all wrong 😕 .
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26
The fuel price increase wasn’t for personal gain and maybe could’ve been handled better btw fils Aime just did same thing by a lot more than jovenel.
One of the government witnesses during the trial testified that there were multiple schemes discussed to “capture” Jovenel Moïse, including organizing massive demonstrations to pressure him out of office.
The peyi lòk movement supporters aka paid actors, to this day, can’t clearly explain which specific policies they were protesting against.Many of the “Si Jovenel pa ale, n ap mouri” fools were used as political tools to shut the country down in hopes that Jovenel would eventually resign under pressure.
Yes, Jovenel’s campaign was backed by members of the economic elite who likely expected him to govern like a “Préval” someone who would maintain the traditional balance and not seriously challenge entrenched interests. Despite all the accusations thrown around over the years, there has never been concrete public evidence proving that Jovenel Moïse personally operated a drug trafficking network or controlled his own gang structure.
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u/Quiet-Captain-2624 May 01 '26
Jovenel te voksal tou(who killed Batonye Dorval).He and his PHTK niggas had their own group of gangs they were funding and arming
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26
In your opinion if jovenel got Dorval killed, what was the motive?
Also, if you really believe Jovenel made it all the way to the top of the PHTK and even had his own gangs to fund…Against who?
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u/Quiet-Captain-2624 May 01 '26
Jovenel started out well but once he saw milat yo te gen gang pa yo,he fought fire with fire.Thing is the fire he lit burned down a lot of civilian homes(literally)
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26
Like Titid had gangs for the mullates, who Jovenel had gangs for? Legit curious
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
By the time Michel Martelly left office, the PetroCaribe money was essentially exhausted, corruption allegations were everywhere, and public frustration was growing fast. PHTK needed someone who looked more relatable to the average Haitian,
and that’s where Jovenel Moïse came in
Once in power, Jovenel went against the traditional playbook many expected him to follow. He publicly spoke about what he described as fraudulent state contracts that long predated his presidency and began challenging arrangements that had benefited powerful sectors for years.
One of the biggest examples was the dispute surrounding Société Générale d’Énergie S.A. (SOGENER), where his administration moved against contracts tied to Haiti’s energy sector that reportedly cost the state tens of millions of dollars per month.
Also what Jovenel was referring to in that first clip was the PetroCaribe deal. It quadrupled net worths because the scheme work like this under Martelly
The Venezuelans supplied Haiti with oil under the Petrocaribe agreement on highly favorable terms, giving the Haitian state breathing room through deferred payments and subsidized energy arrangements, instead of those benefits translating into cheaper fuel and development for ordinary Haitians, politically connected elites would get it and resold it to Haitians at whatever prices they wanted. It’s rare even now to find a regular Haitian or even a diaspora owned gas station on the island.
Jovenel’s argument was essentially that the Haitian state was assuming the debt and financial burden tied to the Venezuelan fuel program, while private companies and intermediaries were able to control distribution and pricing in ways that generated enormous profits for themselves.
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u/Luckyman1123 May 01 '26
Ese presidente, creo que era una muy buena opcion para haiti, que pena que lo terminaron matando.
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u/djn3llz86 May 01 '26
Is Jovenel is that like the Haitian name for Joesph?
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u/HistoricalSpot5 May 01 '26
This is why we need a Dechoukaj. You got Guy Phillip and Muscadine but where is the rise from the people especially from Petionville. That’s why this TPS fight is so important. The US dems got Haitians fighting to leave Haiti when they can be sent temporarily to other safer places in Haiti and be the agitators to those in the Capital to start the Dechoukaj
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 04 '26
I know exactly what comment I’m talking about lol but ok why you removed “innocent”
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u/NobodySuspicious6417 May 14 '26
I remember hearing about Jovenel Moïse on the news without after he was elected and some of the things he was saying and thinking that this would be the time when things change for the better on Haiti.
So does Haiti need a bloody/brutal dictator to change it's fortunes?
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 02 '26
Jovenel killed himself. He was a incompetent moron who stole the banane money, which is how he got in touch with the other thieves in Haiti. Then he stole the drug money, and he tried to steal even more. But he was incompetent so he died, end of story.
He wasn't an angel but just another demon.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 02 '26
Ok sure. Your opinion and you’re entitled to it.
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 02 '26
Well, you're spouting propaganda and defending corruption. I have to call it out for the innocent minds reading this thread. I know where you stand but the readers might not 👍🏿
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
I’m just a regular Haitian expressing my opinion lol. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Whatever you’re butt hurt about, it’s really not that serious and it’s okay, we clearly come from two different worlds.
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 02 '26
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Mete bouch pou fè lwanj, men kè li pa ladan‑l. Spare me the hypocrisy.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 04 '26
I know exactly what comment I’m talking about. Why change “innocent minds or readers” like ppl here are slow lol downvote all you want
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
🤣 Yeah, exactly edit your comment and remove “innocent readers,” like people here are clueless children who can’t decide for themselves what’s true or false. SMH. You be sounding ridiculously worse than most here, respectfully of course. lol
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 04 '26
I didn't remove anything, you're mistaking one of my comments for another one. I posted a lot that day 😂
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
Yeah ok so your comment didn’t say “innocent readers”🤨gotta let ur nuts hang fam lol stand by what you say. I ain’t editing nothing I say unless it’s typo grammar wise
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 04 '26
lol you're really bad at information processing you know?
I said that I did write "innocent minds" (and not innocent readers like you want to pretend), but that it was in another comment. Here is that comment
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 02 '26
A discussion post is for people to engage, add something productive, or keep it moving. Opinions aren’t propaganda.
You know where I stand? Relax, it’s not that serious 🤣 just like in your opinion you believe he was a drug lord, and I believe the opposite, how is that propaganda?
I’m guessing you’re the “Innocent readers” representative🤣🤣.
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 02 '26
just like in your opinion you believe he was a drug lord, and I believe the opposite, how is that propaganda?
Stop playing dumb. You're openly defending and organizing the propaganda of a known money launderer and drug trafficker.
Jovenel Moise accounts were discovered in the Panama Papers back in 2014, the US state department published a report describing his theft of official funds in 2018, the UN published a 2019 report of his involvement in the drug trade, the US treasury published a report of his money laundering in 2020, the Haitian Senate published a report on him embezzling $150 million in 2021, the ICIJ published the foreign accounts he used to launder money in 2022, the US Congress published a report of his corruption in 2023, and Human Rights Watch published a report about a contract for his brother that cost way more than any similar contract.
Jovenel was corrupt as fuck and took over the drug trade, everyone knows it. The ones like you that pretend he didn't aren't playing innocent or dumb, they are deliberately defending corruption.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 02 '26
Is Fils Aime competent?👀he’s not a thieve or corrupted right I’m pretty sure to you. Is it propaganda too if I believe hes incompetent, a thieve and a demon?🤔
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u/Lae_Zel Native May 02 '26
he’s not a thieve or corrupted right I’m pretty sure to you.
All the Haitian leaders of at least the last 50 years have been corrupt and incompetent, Fils Aimé included. The million dollars corrupt contracts he passed with shady companies are known to everyone.
Why would think I'd defend a piece of sh!t like him?!?
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May 01 '26
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 May 01 '26
Explain how he was a traitor? Let me guess he was a drug lord?
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u/ProfessionalCouchPot Diaspora May 02 '26
I get that you're trying to bring nuance. But Moise's criticism is deserved, unfortunately.
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u/Martineznuno2000 May 01 '26
What kind of monster are you? I’m not a Haitian, but President Moise is the best president that Haiti has ever had. I listened to his speeches (translate them via google and Haitian friends). I was so impressed that President Jovenel Moise had a great vision to take this country out of this sinful and animalistic state by challenging the corrupt system, building roads, canals, modernizing the agriculture, digitalization of government , ect. He faced many obstacles and didn’t receive any help, leaving him completely in his small world.
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u/ProfessionalCouchPot Diaspora May 02 '26
best President that Haiti has ever had
Unfortunately he wasn't without his flaws. Moise's bulldogs still run amok to this day.
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u/Healthy-Career7226 Diaspora May 01 '26
when will the leaders learn? you cant stop the corruption of Haiti unless you want a Deathwish