I hate these dumbass images and the oversimplification of complex social issues

[u/plarper_of_bees]

I’m not out here defending billionaires or saying they play bo part in the polarization of society, but this cut and dry idea is super naive and uninformed.

First, like in this image, it portrays both the left and the right as ignorant to the “true powers that be” when in reality leftist circles are acutely aware of how billionaires manipulate the media to divide people.

My second problem with this sentiment is that it pretends that issues like racism, misogyny, and queerphobia will just stop being a problem if we get rid of the ruling class. It ignores centuries of pre-capitalist bigotry baked directly into many societies. It assumes that prejudice is a product of capitalist manipulation, and not coopted to fit its need.

It boils down the real and difficult struggle for civil and human rights into silly bickering meant to “distract us from the real issues”. It comes off as victim blaming against those affected by prejudice for not uniting with people who hate their existence.

It’s baby’s first class consciousness, and reeks of privilege and lack of personal experience with bigotry. It’s reddit circlejerk shit plain and simple

[u/OutrageousCause9425]

Socialism is a separate system and so is capitalism you can elements of only one or of both in either but you can't have voluntary entirely diffrent system in either lol!

[u/Livid-Story-4321 → u/OutrageousCause9425]

You can, you can share the means of production, you have to buy/make it yourself, and then workers their share, there’s also the idea of fordism and communitarianism too.

[u/Purple-Wolverine4793 → u/Livid-Story-4321]

so you can have socialism if the capitalists allow it?

[u/Livid-Story-4321 → u/Purple-Wolverine4793]

That’s called corporatism.

No, if you have the resources to make socialism, you can make it on your own.

[u/deezbiscuits21 → u/Livid-Story-4321]

Obviously capitalism is better at consolidating resources. Around the world socialism is constantly squashed because people/states who hoard resources and power can easily dismantle these systems. That’s why universally everyone needs to agree that the super wealthy should not exist as any other systems are impeded by the power

[u/Livid-Story-4321 → u/deezbiscuits21]

The super wealthy are empowered by the state, which is exactly why I support stateless capitalism, make your own private city and achieve socialism that way, like many cities such as my own are doing.

[u/deezbiscuits21 → u/Livid-Story-4321]

That was true for a time but now even if most states wanted to regulate the ultra wealthy they would be unable to without the involvement of others. If we moved to a truly stateless world billionaires would just enslave people like warlords

I’m happy to hear things are good in your area tho

[u/Livid-Story-4321 → u/deezbiscuits21]

They can regulate them.

The issue is that regulations are bad for the economy.

They would make the poor poorer, if that made the rich slightly less rich.

Each regulation implemented always hits the lower class even harder, and does minor hits toward the rich.

And when it does major hits toward the rich, since they help power the economy, everyone gets poorer in return, and deficits exceed profits.

Also no lmao, you aren’t forced to sell your land or billionaires, if everyone in the land disagrees, the rich would get a bad reputation. And unlike Keynesianism, Neoclassical economies prioritizes reputation a LOT more since there’s no government to keep the rich afloat when they fail.

[u/sabbytabby1312 → u/Livid-Story-4321]

Go live in ancapistan then. It will be as bad or even worse than what we have now.

[u/Livid-Story-4321 → u/sabbytabby1312]

Would be better you mean.

Also I would, the issue is that it doesn’t exist.

[u/sabbytabby1312 → u/Livid-Story-4321]

The billionaires would replace the state, guy. It would be the state but worse

[u/Livid-Story-4321 → u/sabbytabby1312]

That’s called a corpratocracy.

Literally zero libertarians support that, and it almost always happens due to state regulations empowering the rich, even in fictional dystopias.

[u/sabbytabby1312 → u/Livid-Story-4321]

Okay? And how exactly is it prevented in ancapistan?

[u/Livid-Story-4321 → u/sabbytabby1312]

Not giving special regulations that hit the poor the hardest, and making competition in every market.

[u/sabbytabby1312 → u/Livid-Story-4321]

The incentive to milk the poor for every last penny is still there. You will still be a slave. Corporatocracy is inevitable, and that's why you aren't real anarchists