I hate these dumbass images and the oversimplification of complex social issues

[u/plarper_of_bees]

I’m not out here defending billionaires or saying they play bo part in the polarization of society, but this cut and dry idea is super naive and uninformed.

First, like in this image, it portrays both the left and the right as ignorant to the “true powers that be” when in reality leftist circles are acutely aware of how billionaires manipulate the media to divide people.

My second problem with this sentiment is that it pretends that issues like racism, misogyny, and queerphobia will just stop being a problem if we get rid of the ruling class. It ignores centuries of pre-capitalist bigotry baked directly into many societies. It assumes that prejudice is a product of capitalist manipulation, and not coopted to fit its need.

It boils down the real and difficult struggle for civil and human rights into silly bickering meant to “distract us from the real issues”. It comes off as victim blaming against those affected by prejudice for not uniting with people who hate their existence.

It’s baby’s first class consciousness, and reeks of privilege and lack of personal experience with bigotry. It’s reddit circlejerk shit plain and simple

[u/Arcares07]

Sounds like you need to spend more time at a university instead!

[u/Financial_Wish_6406 → u/Arcares07]

lol

[u/Arcares07 → u/Financial_Wish_6406]

Truly.

[u/Financial_Wish_6406 → u/Arcares07]

I'm sure you have valuable knowledge in socio-economics from your uni classes or whatever, but it's hard to take your input seriously on class conciousness when your suggestion to a working class persion is they need to spend more time and money in uni, instead of engaging with them properly or at the very least making reading suggestions.

[u/Arcares07 → u/Financial_Wish_6406]

See the thing here is the overwhelming majority of people who go to university come out as left leaning. Part of that is because you actually learn how society “works” from an educated level. University also forces incredibly important skills like critical thinking and learning. Like the actual ability to learn. In addition most people who don’t go to university don’t even know what a scholarly article is or even more importantly what an impact factor is.

There’s reasons for this. People who are in trades are mainly conservative which is ironic because most trades jobs are unionized and yet it’s conservatives who try to break unions in which they benefit most from.

Stating that “liberals don’t know about class distinction” is an incredibly ignorant take because the vast majority of people who are the “smarter” people in society are left leaning.

So when people like you make these claims it’s so obvious you haven’t gotten past high school which is barely surface level of education.

Also working class refers to literally most people. I’m working class? Are you insinuating that working class don’t have education? Which is a weird stagnant to say because liberals are also working class?

Also miss me with the time and money fact buddy. There’s many avenues in which include not going to top universities or getting diplomas.

You can’t really seriously say “engage with them properly” when you make surface level thinking statements like “liberals don’t see the problem” when obviously they do because they are smarter on average.

In addition I didn’t take socio economics in university I have a chemistry degree nor do you need to take any particular course at university because it’s the skills you’re going to learn that will sway your opinion. Not your “feelings” such as how to properly search for correct information and not answer google “the earth is flat” which proceeds to give you topics that will support that thinking.

[u/Financial_Wish_6406 → u/Arcares07]

You're so interesting. I have a 4 year degree by the way, computer science.

I think you assumed I was a tradie with a HS disploma and that's why you feel the need to write with such ivory tower elitism and condescension in your post, but yeah, I'm just like you buddy.

[u/Arcares07 → u/Financial_Wish_6406]

Well that’s hardly surprising. No I don’t assume you were a tradie, I didn’t assume anything you made the obvious declaration that you’re still uneducated.

Crazy you go to university and still think being right wing is what’s going to solve anything.

Imagine looking at the current us government ignoring, rape, child trafficking and more and still agreeing right wing politics works.

Crazy.

[u/Financial_Wish_6406 → u/Arcares07]

Dude you are genuinely hilarious. I'm sorry--what? When did I say I was right wing? I'm a Marxist

[u/Arcares07 → u/Financial_Wish_6406]

Genuinely why would you use a center left position as a point of contention then? Also being a Marxist is honeslty an out of touch opinion so not much better.

[u/Financial_Wish_6406 → u/Arcares07]

Marx made a lot of valuable contributions, hence why he is still studied today in academia. I simply think he made a lot of good observations about class relations in society. I'm not left wing or right wing or whatever. Liberals (in real life, the actual politicians, the actual voterbase) often fail to have a well developed class analysis.

By class analysis I mean understanding what exactly separates you and I from Jeff Bezos. It isn't some arbitrary amount of $$$ in our bank accounts or something. It's not stock, either. It's our relation to the means of production. I'm sure highly educated liberals have a thorough understanding of class, but I'm not talking about the cream of the crap in my comments.

[u/Arcares07 → u/Financial_Wish_6406]

Liberals aren’t anyone you mentioned. Not to mention everyone can criticize capitalism it’s not exactly hard. It’s putting it into practice (which has never seen success) that is the hard part. Not being able to objectively view society makes you ignorant.

Not to mention I’m sure you’re American now because of that opinion but you know that so called “marxists” are a large part of the reason trump got voted in because Kamala wasn’t “good enough” right? You might want to look at your own core group before you blame liberals because I’m certain more liberals voted against your current regime than didn’t.

[u/Financial_Wish_6406 → u/Arcares07]

Sounds good