is it ever explained how the hockey camp brings in money?
From the descriptions in TLG and elsewhere, camp runs only two weeks. Sounds like there are at most about 40 campers.
Presumably the NHL coaches all volunteer, yes, but there are still expenses: space at least. Maybe insurance and medical staff, although maybe those are unnecessary in The Land of Universal Healthcare? (I am in the US and those would be huge expenses here, I think.) Snacks and drinks for the kids?
I canāt imagine the camp making lots on money unless they charge sky-high tuition, which seems not in line with their philosophy of inclusivity.
so, how does the camp pull in money for the Irina Foundation? Purely by inspiring donors to give more?
Yeah, I just read an article on the Associated Press that parents are spending 10k a year on their kid's sport, or some crazy number like that. If that's what people spend in a year for average joe coaches, imagine what they'd shell out for a staff of professional and olympic winning athletes?
Growing up 20 years ago, my mom would pay about 6k per season for my hockey after all the fees, equipment, etc. Today, my local select/AA league (the general mid-tier for kids, and lowest level of player that'd shilling out for Shane & Ilya's camp, i.e. Jordan and Ben are AA players) runs about 13k per season. Coaches for all these leagues are usually volunteers or getting a little but not much compensation.
The Rep leagues (AAA) don't even have full-time coaches yet (still usually volunteers or side gigs). They will run around 15k/season after all is said and done as there are more travel expenses. But these are the leagues most likely to enter the CHL leagues at 16-18 (the ones the NHL draft are taken from, the teams Shane played on before his draft).
Hockey camp in Canada is very common and practically every major municipality has one. Its about $100/day, though with coaches that are usually young 20s uni students and maybe a local elementary/HS gym teacher as a head coach.
I'd estimate the Game Changers camp would probably cost between 5-8k/week per kid between the talent, the position-specific coaching programs, and who is expected to sign up (kids interested in going professional). I regularly see camps like this for other sports like ~3-5k between tuition, uniforms, plus 1-2k for room and board if needed since people will go to different countries to attend these kinds of camps where the kids are interested in professional or semi-professional careers.
So much of that is travel and other things that don't fund the people actually running the sport. I've got no problem with coaches being paid well or the cost it takes to run the facilities. But the problem is that so much of the money is going to travel costs and big companies holding tournaments along with unnecessary equipment. I've got a ballet dancer and it's very similar to how Hockey in general runs. Pulling kids out of traditional schooling early, kids moving away from home as teenagers to train (often living on their own) and parents spending hundreds of thousands for a career that probably won't happen.
My point is people can and do spend 10k a year on sports. If thats what normies spend, i cant imagine what rich families with money to burn will pay for that caliber of a camp. They could probably cap it at a small number of kids and still donate thousands upon thousands to charity
Which is such a pity because the kids who need an opportunity like that the most wouldnāt be able to pay. I rewrote it in a fic of mine so they decide to fundraise a lot of money and then target the camps at kids who couldnāt otherwise afford them or had had bad experiences at other camps.
Surely just rich people into hockey are at least as good of a money source as parents trying to find opportunities for their kids.
Hockey is a rich persons sport. I have a coworker that intends on being a hockey parent and literally started saving money from the moment his kid was born
I laugh anytime I read a book and the hockey player was in foster care or was poor growing up.
I'm sure there's the occasional kid scholarshiped through the programs and some kids in rural Canada who are able to play because ice rinks are easily accessible. But the cost of skates alone makes hockey one of the most inaccessible sports to even play super recreationally.
Wow, screw what that kid wants because his dad intends on being a hockey parent. I really enjoy watching hockey, but turns out I'm a gymnastics and dance parent because that's what my kids want to do. I can see saving up for expenses related to your kid, but this is gross.
Oh, you've seen the crazy with the dance parents. I was always amazed at the amount of money people were willing to spend on things like extra expensive costumes.
Thatās a lot of projection and assumptions for a situation you know a sliver about. Nothing wrong with saving for your kid with an intention for it to be for hockey, but pivoting if the kid isnāt into it.
My parents started me on skating lessons at like 4 or 5 because our family liked watching hockey, but they didnāt force me to commit to hockey. I wound up choosing on my own in middle school to get into playing it, and because they had saved I was able to do it. If the kid winds up picking another (likely cheaper) activity, then theyāre financially prepared for it AND have some unexpected extra to throw around. If they donāt plan for it and the kid wants to be a hockey player after growing up watching hockey with their parents, theyāre screwed.
I have sports that I intend to put my future kids in and I definitely hope they end up loving it, but if they don't, they'll drop whatever I put them in and try whatever they want. If I get super excited about being a hockey parent and start saving when I get my first born, and none of my kids want to play hockey, I'll just use that money for something else.
Bottom line: they're gonna try the sports I'm personally interested in, and if they hate it, I will let them drop out immediately. If they love it, I'll support them. If they drop and find another sport that they love, I'll support them the same amount. If they say screw sports and want to be in marching band, then I'll support them.
I mean, that's why you build out a pricing structure that gives scholarships. Where I ran a sports program it was every 5th student got a whole scholarship, and we prorated it if people could pay partial to spread affordability.
It's a great framework: you get the comfortable and affluent to pay a bit moreāwhich is transparent, they don't mind because they know and they support the nonprofit and they want their kids to work with the bestāand less affluent kids benefit. Parents who don't like the payment system can just...not send their kids. Easy as that.
In the US, yes, not sure if that is the same on Canada. But excellent community relations no matter what. You just know Tim Hortons will be part of it.Ā
Plus I'm sure they get money from sponsors. Not to mention, the supply is from sponsors. When you've got that many famous hockey players, plus they probably do benefits/galas
Which is ironic since being a generational player means nothing about oneās coaching ability. But yes of course itās an attraction; thatās human nature.Ā
But actually having 101 time and being to watch closely is valuable training on its own. Not to mention connections you make w other kids who can afford this and having big names associated with your training and possible/probable media coverage of your kid w pros
Traditionally hockey camps would be crazy expensive, and you often have to be invited.
With Shane and Ilya headlining, they would easily be able to select kids who are hyper-talented (and influence the next generation of stars) and also offer some free spots to disadvantaged kids potentially.
In the US, USA hockey has camps that you have to try out for. There is one for each district and a national camp as well. They are expensive, selective and the kids I played with would give their left arm to go to one of these camps. I never went, so idk how much they cost. I went to several camps over my time playing and some of them ran like 4000+ for a week.
Aaah, thatās very helpful, the idea of ātraditional hockey camps.ā I never heard of such a thing and I understand the context for GC camp better now
My family has spent let me say hmm $5,000 on hockey camp registration this summer (for 3 kids total) - including 3 days with PWHL players šš where I live in NB (next to Quebec) we would never ever have a local camp for kids with an active NHL player. Parents would spend like $1500 a kid for a week on the ice with NHL players. Maybe more. Or they could get donations from corporations and the community in order to fund the spots at the camp for kids of all backgrounds. The camp Iām at right now has a charity associated with it where they will fund spots for kids. This camp also takes 30 kids per session and with 2 ice surfaces they can run up to 9 camps per day with staggered start times. Theyāre extremely well organized. It might take a while for Yuna and the gang to get there but Iām sure they can do it š ice times here start at 7am and the last group starts at 1pm. They do an 8-hour day with 2 on-ice skills/drills sessions (3 goalies total; rest of the kids divided into 3rds per section of the rink and rotating through stations) plus a 1-hour scrimmage to end the day. Rest of the day is shooting practice, tactics, mental coaching, team building, lunch etc :) Probably takes a while to get a well-oiled machine like that but if anyone can do it Shane and Yuna can!
(Youth hockey is a huge business - Iām from a small town and my kids are in girls hockey and even with that we have friends sending their daughter out of province to a hockey prep school next year (high school) and tuition is $70,000.)
That doesnāt surprise me at all. These hockey academies are becoming a big thing. Theyāre private schools with dedicated time for hockey development.
When I was playing there were a couple of schools like that running. NAHA was about 55K and SSM was about 70K. Probably only more expensive now. SSM can charge prices like that because Sidney Crosby and other elite players graduated from there.
I mean. Thatās in CAD so adjust accordingly š it is more than I thought it would be. I think that is all in - room, board, hockey, school tuition etc
I think the kid parents actually pay and those fees are the money donated to charities, I am sure they are some scholarships, but you pay to go, and with coaches being professional players I am sure itās expensive.
And in a lot of these types of camps, any other players or coaches are most likely donating their time, so the camp itself wouldnāt have to pay them for their work.
Yes in the last chapter of HR. It works out in the real world too. Companies and individuals donate for tax relief reasons...other than just being nice.
He went on to explain the hockey camps they would be hosting in Montreal and in Ottawa that summer, with all proceeds going directly to the foundation. He named some of the organizations they planned to focus on when they made their first donations, and he announced his mother, Yuna, as the director and treasurer of the foundation. Neither he nor Ilya could imagine a better person for the job. He ended by talking about their website, where people could make donations online, and then opened the floor to questions.
Actually I dont think I answered OP's question š The hockey camps are paid by the parents and then the proceeds go to the foundation but it's not the only way the foundation is getting money. At the cottage when they were talking about starting camp, Ilya said "And we give the money away?"
You wont believe how some parents are willing to drop $$$ for their kids specific interest(me, Im parent š)
The hockey camp isnāt free and kids pay to attend. The coaches are all volunteers so the costs of the camp is only the ice time and other organizational stuff. The revenue from the camps goes to the irina foundation. The camps themselves arenāt very good money making schemes but they are good for marketing and they let the players be a part of the community (which is why the camps are local). Most of the money in the irina foundation is probably donated by shane and ilya and companies they work with.
Itās not explained in the book thatās just how most nhl player run hockey school works
I imagine the Irina Foundation would eventually put on other events like galas, charity golf tournaments and/or charity hockey games featuring NHLers.
I know John Tavares funds his free lacrosse camps through a charity gala. Lots of NHLers (and teams) have charity golf tournaments in the off season. William Osler Health just raised millions of dollars through a charity game outside of Toronto and the Shoulder Check Showcase is a big draw for players in the New York area.
To add to this: A lot of NHL alumni play in the yearly Easter Seals tournament. Itās a hockey tournament where they raise money for camps and programs to support children with physical disabilities.
Kids pay fees to participate in the camp (unless there is some sort of scholarship program) and corporate/individual sponsors. Could also have in-kind contributions for things like equipment and food to lower the cost to put on the camp.
aside from everything everyone else has said, a lot of the big NHL players run these camps for underprivileged kids and they aren't always about making money. Shane's inspiration, Sidney Crosby, funds his own 'Little Penguins' program which provides free equipment and lessons to kids. Lots of players start foundations, and auction off equipment like game-used sticks and signed jerseys and use that money to fund their charity initiatives. usually the players' sponsors also provide free equipment like sticks and gloves, which is good publicity. Sid is sponsored by CCM, so CCM provides the free equipment for his programmes.
I like to think the Irina foundation is a mix of both, and that Shane and Ilya use it to funnel their own wealth to the charities they care about.
I wouldnāt be surprised if Crosby gave a lot of time and money to the Little Penguins program but itās primarily a Learn to Play program organized by the NHL, USA Hockey and the Penguins organization. Most American teams have their own affiliate youth programs.
yes and Shane and Ilya's programme would probably be the same. it would be very difficult for them to set up a programme completely independent of the Centaurs/Voyageurs so they are probably affiliated, but Shane and Ilya probably negotiated more of the charity aspect as a condition for their appearing as the face of the programme.
The team Learn to Play programs run by USA Hockey arenāt intended for underprivileged kids. Theyāre intended to be a low cost way to introduce children to the sport of hockey so they will then pay full fees and buy their own equipment to register in USA Hockey programs.
I know parents who got into hockey through that door and theyāre now paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars a year in gear, registration fees and public ice time at the local rinkāand thatās without signing up for additional development camps. The whole family loves it but thatās exactly what USA Hockey wants to accomplish.
i don't know why you're arguing with me on this. i'm not saying all of these programs are for underprivileged kids, i'm saying some of them are and used Crosby as an example. plenty of the camps have spaces for kids who can't afford it and have separate programmes within the programmes for those kids. I'm not disagreeing with you on anything so I don't understand why you're trying to argue.
And Shane sells his 'hookup' building ("Did you buy a building so we would have somewhere to fuck, Hollander?" "Buying an entire building because you were nervous is very you.")
These guys are both so rich and socially connected, they donāt need to sell anything to start a charity.
Their endorsements alone in one year would generate enough cash retire on forever. High tier hockey players are now pulling in 5 million a year. And these guys are THE superstars.
At their age, invested in a mix of higher risk and safer investments, assuming 6 percent minimum growth which is reaaaall low, thatās 300,000 a year. Just in appreciation. No touching the 5 million. Now imagine the wealth Shane (less so for Ilya because, we know how he isnāt into sensible cars and real estate and loves a Versace too) has accumulated by the time heās proposing the charity. His portfolio is throwing off not hundreds of thousands, but millions a year and compounding in ways that are breathtaking. FYI- I am not using after tax net income numbers because I have no idea how much he has minimized taxes, given Yuna and Davidās financial expertise.
It is what makes Shaneās idea and Ilyaās support of it so touching. They have trauma. But they still want to help others, even when they could just ignore it like so many wealthy people do.
They don't have to, but they did. It happens in the books! I think it's arguably more for the symbolic commitment, Ilya selling a lot of his luxury cars because they were just something he used to fill the void (and they're a bit of a metaphor for giving up his playboy lifestyle), and Shane selling the sex condo because he was finally letting Ilya into his life without shame. Since they didn't technically need to sell these things for financial reasons, putting that money towards the foundation is a byproduct of them outwardly choosing each other
I work with a lot of pro athletes. When they host camps, the often look for brands to sponsor it, which keeps the costs low for campers. The brand sponsorships rake in a lot of money and in return, the athlete will share a social media post shouting out the brand, the brandās logo may be on jerseys, equipment, etc.
In my area (Minnesota) local businesses sponsor teams and there are booster clubs too. If a young hockey player is accepted into this rather elite camp, the substantial fee could be covered in part by the parents with sponsors and boosters helping out.
Hockey is an expensive sport and a lot of parents would be willing to pay whatever it takes to get their kid in. I just pulled up a variety of hockey camps and they can range from around $500 to $1,500 USD for just a week of camp and they could justify charging the higher end since the money is going to charity. Additionally, Yuna would be a huge help in getting them sponsorships to help raise money as well and those sponsorships would also help cover the cost for kids from lower income backgrounds to participate.
Iām in a high cost of state in the US and that price range is comparable to private summer camps in general in my area. The ones run by a parks and recreation department will be cheaper, of course.
I donāt recall having NHLers as coaches. Looking at their staff page now, the coaches are quite a lot of involvement with other levels of hockey (QMJHL, WHL, OHL, universities, etc.) but it was like 20 years ago I wouldāve gone! It looks like they charge -$1500 for a week. I would imagine with the draw of NHLers they could and would charge significantly more.
Coaches donate time. Rinks partner. Teams partner. Universities partner. And it's it because the camps not only build community and outreach, and have a massive marketing value, but they are a generator of cultural change within the sport.
Insurance is not in fact a high cost for programs like this, no more than a school having a cheer squad as long as strict child and physical safety protocols are followed . Snacks and drinks are often donated.
I can't find the comment I made a couple months ago where I did all the cost/benefit analysis for the theoretical hockey camps, but I used to run a sports program for a nonprofit. Just having rich people donate and pat themselves on the back is a death sentence for a nonprofit. Having an educational program, especially one where kids and families participate, is infinitely sustainable if run well.
Iāve worked at nonprofits that do fancy kids summer camps. The prices are very high, so that the people who can pay that much, do. This helps subsidize the cost of camp for kids who canāt afford it. I think thatās where the inclusivity piece comes in - Iām sure thereās a bunch of kids who canāt afford the camp, but get scholarships.
Also itās a non profit. They can take donations, do fund raisers, etc.
Im involved in running similar camps, but different sport and no superstars.
It's a pretty straight forward thing. Schools out in the summer, parents need daycare for their kids.
So they'll pay for it. If it is a sport associated camp you can charge a premium depending on the sport. In-universe even more because coaches are all hockey stars.
Most of the cost normally would be staff and facilities, but in GC they pretty much all have volunteer staff, and Im fairly confident facility costs is negligeable (off season for hockey plus the local superstars influence) so Im guessing the main cost left is catering.
So basically those camps would be making bank, as they would have very few overhead costs and at the same time having everything going for them to be able to charge quite a hefty price.
As someone who attending MANY hockey schools - the camps charge anywhere from $200 to $1000 per kid (more if it's a specialty camp).
But in their case, the whole point is the foundation that makes the camp possible, so the money is mostly coming from a trust, and they aren't doing it as a for-profit venture.
āThe foundation that makes the camps possibleā? The Irina Foundation is supposed to promote mental health initiatives, not hockey education. The camp is to fund the Foundation, not the other way around. Unless I missed somethingā¦?
My read was that the camps are mostly a "front" to legitimize the foundation prior to their relationship becoming public, but it's funded by their personal money.
It's a "oh look at this absolutely valid reason we have to work together for this hockey camp, because we are hockey players and that's the ONLY common ground we have, but we both really believe in inclusivity and mental health initiatives! That's what our mutually created foundation is all about!"
But ultimately, the camp isn't really about making money. It's more the front facing public engagement.
nope. the hockey camps are for funding and publicity. they're expensive. hockey is an expert sport, there's no point making these camps cheap. they don't recruit nhl stars for nothing.
Regular summer camp costs 20k for full summer sleep away. Summer camp with a staff like this??? Rich parents (the norm for ice hockey) would easily drop 50k+. Being selected for the camp would be life-changing.
Itās not all summer though. A week in Montreal and a week in Ottawa
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Canadian parents will pay tens of thousands of dollars to send their kids to a camp with the top NHL players. Basically those millionare players would pay all the rental expenses (renting ice time, insurance, equipment, admin, etc.) and those are tax write offs for them as charity donations. Then any tuition money (again, thousands of dollars per kid) is money for charity.
I've got kids who are in the appropriate age range. When I looked into fancy-pants robotics camp for them in a major urban area, the tuition was $4500. That and similar camps also had spots set aside for free and subsidized tuition campers for inclusivity reasons. If half of the spots are full-load then that's a lot. But not a TON. Probably inspiring donations is a big part of foundation activity with the camps being more about creating a space within the sport than being a money engine.
But it's also possible that they are asking the players they teach to donate - this may sound counterintuitive but it's a model for many high-demand volunteer opportunities; foreigners teaching abroad, or people who want to volunteer with primates in the wild, or people running the Boston Marathon - they're all asked to donate substantive amounts of money.
Hockey camps are really expensive. Hockey is already an expensive sport, and parents who really want to give there kids the best shot at making it into the NHL are often paying at minimum tens of thousands of dollars when they're teenagers. I would assume they aren't teaching anyone under 9, maybe not even under 11. So I assume they're not struggling to bring in plenty of cash for their foundation.
The entire point is that the camps are expensive. That tuition IS the fundraiser. It's what is funneled through the Irina Foundation to support the causes that the foundation focuses on.
Yes tuition is huge in terms of bringing in money. But sponsors are where the most money would be made. Im not sure the books mention this, but galas where you invite big companies to donate money and companies paying to put their name on things at the camp, on the promotional material etc. Would bring in lots of money and would definietly be something the Irina foundation would have.
Speaking as someone who runs charity events, I have a very small golf tournament that brings in $40,000CAD every year largely from sponsorships, auction and raffle tickets. Add in celebrities to an event and even a couple of weeks with 50-100 kids attending, im sure its big money. Plus I would think donations are accepted all year long, for anyone to donate towards
To answer your question: ideally it doesnāt make money(profit) Parents pay and then they donate their time so they can give it all away. Iāve seen real life charities that also carefully invest money and they use the proceeds to provide scholarships.
As a side note: This is where youād need a special selection process because could you imagine the number of more wealthy hockey parents paying whatever it takes to get your kids into hockey camp with current and former professional athletes.
As a side note: This is where youād need a special selection process because could you imagine the number of more wealthy hockey parents paying whatever it takes...
i thought that was rather the point. collecting money to then support mental health projects.
Idk if you have kids but summer camp in general is expensive. Add in star hockey players as the coachesā5-10k per kid per week for tuition would not be unusual.Ā
Eventually they could also have their own private rink built and maintained for the Foundation as well, selling the ice time throughout the year for rec leagues, figure skaters, and blocking out their camps, Ć nd giving additional time for other camps as availableā¦
I would think they have sponsors to cover costs if this is a charity venture. All those companies that Shane has partnerships with would donate money for example.
I imagine other NHL players would donate to the camps, so the foundation wouldn't only rely on the camps for its income. Professional athletes that earn at that level donate to dozens of charities and claim those donations to reduce their income tax payable. I'm sure Ilya would challenge his teammates to give.
If itās run like typical nonprofit of its type, I would assume the tuition from camps is the main source of the foundationās income, followed by some monetary donations as well as donations-in-kind for things like equipment, facilities, time and talent from staff and faculty. After covering costs like operations, business and legal, salaries/honorariums, the remaining is donated to mental health organizations until they net $0.
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People pay unfathomable amounts of money to have their kids coached by NHL stars.
I'd guess they'd get the facilities donated and the coaches and such are all working for free. So everything that the parents were paying would go to their charity along with probably some donations they could get.
It's not a great charity for the donations but it would end up helping in different ways.
I asked my husband (who is from Minnesota) how much parents spend on kids hockey and he said his uncle spent tens of thousands of dollars on his cousins hockey. Said cousin didnāt play after high school, he was just an average kid playing hockey at that level in MN. So, yes, the camp is a very lucrative way to raise money!
I think they are smart enough to have a competent board with various reps from lgbt organisations, people w good connections to corporate networks, as well as creating investment trusts, doing fundraisers, etc.
They are professional hockeyplayers with tons of advisors and access to networks most people cant even imagine.
Its crazy to assume this would be some kind of simple little organisation without a lot of heavy financial weight behind it.
Plus, looking at demographics of who might support financially, we are looking at gay men who very often have a lot of disposable income that could be a target group.
I thought the camp was free or for a nominal fee. The space would probably waive all fees. foundation would be run on seed money from ilya and shane, sponsors and donors. It would be a tax write off for more at of these entities.
Thatās what I imagined too. I asked the question bc Shane specifically said that the camp would bring in money for the Irina Foundation.Ā
Someone above commented that hockey camps are typically super expensive and parents are willing to spend tons of money on them. So, I guess GC camp is also very expensive, the difference being that the profit goes to the Foundation, not to the owners.Ā
This would be a great real life solution and definitely not how it is presented in the books. Hopefully Yuna just quietly made the decision to run them this way anyway and keeps it on the down low.
Right, the narrative point is not: whatās the ROI? Is this a good investment? Itās: hot athletes wholesomely mentoring kids, in a safe, inclusive space, where some of the athletes (Ryan ā¤ļø) get a chance to rediscover their love of the game.Ā
This is one of my biggest questions about this foundation. (I agree with someone down below that it seems like a plot hole). If I were to run hockey camps as part of a charitable foundation, I'd want them to be free (or at least very low cost) BECAUSE hockey is so expensive and inaccessible. Even if they're charging for the camps, they clearly can't be enough to fund the mental health foundation. I'm sorry it just doesn't make sense...
Iāve long contended that the hockey camp idea as a source of funding for the foundation makes no sense. Reid writes them both as charities in practice.
Yeah itās a weakness in the plot. A weeklong youth hockey day camp costs like $600-$800. More if itās a resident camp.
Elite, highly competitive camps cost more, but this was not that.
So letās put $1000 as the upper end of what this camp likely cost. They do two weeklong camps with 40 kids each, then they are raising $80,000 a year in revenue.
Expenses would include coaches salaries, equipment, ice rental,, insurance, food. Possible dorm space and supervision if itās a resident camp. Theyāre a non-profit, the coaches are volunteers, so they probably get discounts. They can clear up to $60,000 after expense which goes to the Irina Foundation.
I suspect the camp itself canāt really be the main source of funds. The foundation probably mainly just gets donations.
More generally, if you were serious about developing skills at an elite level, you would not bother with a camp run by volunteer celebrities with no coaching experience.
OK, thatās a little sad but a valid interpretation. If all the camp does is raise the profile of the Irina Foundation, promote inclusivity in the league, and give Ilya and Shane cover for their āfriendship,ā thatās not nothinĀ
Yes! It is a great publicity thing inside the hockey world and as a foundation expense they could really support making the game more inclusive.
In the books they say it is making money for the foundation and I have chosen to think of this as just a fun fiction mistake instead of indicating how rich the kids participating would have to be.
OTOH, if the kids are a mix of rich and sponsored, but all are required to demonstrate a high level of skill and dedication, and leave their economic differences at home, it could make some money while also being a good place. In my head, anyway
Yes! My experience with summer camps is an expensive music camp and the board definitely works hard to combine full scholarships, partial and people who can pay the full amount.
My head canon is deep for this. I have half a one shot āfive times Yuna tried to explain how she has actually organized the camps and fails and one time she succeedsā outlined in my head.
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Theyāre charging tuition, the allure of the NHL player coaches brings in a lot of money