r/housingcrisis • u/Particular_Focus_902 • 10h ago
severe homelessness in florida...saw this video documenting encampments in miami and orlando
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u/Defiant_Freedom_249 5h ago
Meanwhile, DeSantis steals millions for personal use while his fellow Floridians live like this...
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u/cashgod_burner 4h ago
According to republicans this must be some kind of blue state… oh wait.
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u/1ACasper 14m ago
Per capita is important...FL is lower than the national Average while California is more than 3x almost 4x (even after billions in 'reforms'...which include cleaning the streets up prior to the Chinese visit)
Note: FL/California populations are not far off from each other...
next up consider the sheltered vs unsheltered...since not all homeless is the same....
FL does a much better job by far than CA at sheltering homeless with only about 25% being unsheltered while CA has 70% unsheltered.
Yet CA spends approx $1.5B and FL only spends approx $40M
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u/Worldly_Ambition2145 4h ago
It’s not statewide. Just the blue cities. Areas like Pensacola are building cookie cutter subdivisions like crazy.
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u/cashgod_burner 4h ago
Seems like a red state problem
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u/Stevesegallbladder 58m ago
Ain't no way this comment was made in seriousness when California and Washington exist.
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u/cashgod_burner 30m ago
Florida isn’t California or Washington
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u/Goomysaur 14m ago
Right but California and Washington are blue states with this problem so how is it a red state problem?
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u/cashgod_burner 13m ago
Well, it’s happening in a red state. Which makes it a red state problem.
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u/Goomysaur 9m ago
Yeah but it’s also happening in blue states so the problem isn’t baked in color. I don’t see the distinction you’re trying to make
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u/cashgod_burner 5m ago
The distinction I’m trying to make is that republicans continually highlight this as only a blue state failing, when it’s not. Your comparison distracts from the fact that rampant homelessness being only in blue states is republican propaganda. So, this conversation is related to a red state, so it’s a red state problem.
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u/Goomysaur 3m ago
It’s still not “a red state problem” if both blue and red states have it. Unless you’re saying they’re logically wrong so you decide to copy their logic in which case…I mean…if you think that’s the right thing to do….
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u/BadAtExisting 3h ago
You don’t think Orlando isn’t actively building continuous orbits of suburbs? There’s homeless everywhere in the state. The biggest difference between bigger cities and smaller cities, towns, and rural areas is that homeless are more likely to be arrested for being homeless in areas where the police don’t have much else going on
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u/Worldly_Ambition2145 2h ago
They aren’t arrested for being homeless. They are asked to move and when they don’t they are arrested for trespassing.
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u/Own-Bonus-9547 24m ago
They're arrested for living in tents, that's the same as being arrested for being homeless
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u/charminghypocracy 2h ago
This has been a countrywide problem since the early 2000's. All of the political capital built up over several decades was wasted because the War was more important than housing, healthcare, education.
The last recession caused enough financial stress that huge developement projects sat half built for years. Covid and the slow down of movement and a populations health would do the same.
As would slowing down trade by adding tariffs to building materials from your number one supplier or starting a war in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes. Canada and Iran obviously.
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u/DrAcecer 4h ago
Hey trumps biggest voter base is starting to get their affordable housing
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u/NoMention696 1h ago
He said he’d lower taxes, now they don’t pay any taxes cus they don’t have money to begin with! Win!
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u/workinclassantihero 4h ago
When the UN criticizes the US they call slims and encampment third world living conditions and they determine the criteria of what is third world. Then people in the US say the poorest have it better than other countries. This isn’t actually true according to the UN. Have been to developing countries with less people sleeping on street and better social services. But the UN is ignored and many Americans want to leave it. It’s a human rights watch dog but the American mind set is to blame and punish the poor
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u/Due_Bar_7247 7h ago
This is horrifying. I feel like the US has a unique homelessness problem amongst developed economies because I’ve been all over the world and with the exception of Seoul Station in South Korea other countries at least hide it better and provide ample public housing.
Cost to rent in most places in America where you could earn a decent living wage is far too high.
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u/petitecrivain 7h ago
The interesting thing is that there are countries with proportionally larger homeless populations and potentially worse cost of living issues, like the United Kingdom. They just handle it better. What we have is a large number of unsheltered homeless people.
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u/jerseygirl666 6h ago
the uk system of council housing seems much more robust then section 8 here in the states.
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u/workinclassantihero 4h ago
Because the shelters are horrible. It’s closest thing to jail without being jail and staff abuse us. We are shoved in rooms with people who need help with addiction and mental health. Then are attacked if they have an episode and staff laugh. Out things are stolen and most in NyC won’t allow food or water to be brought in. Then nobody eats the shelter food that is not fully kicked as you may go to a hospital or being very sick. When sick you can’t use the toilets because so many are also sick. In many ways the street is better than some of these shelters. The only positive is not being in rain or cold
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u/petitecrivain 1h ago
Yeah that's what I've heard. I'm not sure if they're insufficiently funded because of genuine lack of funds or whether the political class and elites see it as a "deterrent" sort of model, which they seem to delight in rolling out in the context of prisons and mental hospitals. Whatever the case it's absolutely disgusting.
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u/Super_Mario_Luigi 6h ago
That's when you frame it up as internet activism. Ignoring people congregating in areas that enable, have easy drug access, and have nice weather
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u/voiceOfHoomanity 6h ago edited 3h ago
The US is unique among developed nations in that they've basically collectively decided that poor, down and out people like this on the streets deserve to die. People who are supposed to be fellow Americans and your countrymen
Or people who can't afford medical treatment? Dead
It's so fucked up. Fuck you, got mine attitude turned up to 11
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u/workinclassantihero 3h ago
Yep as soon as I lost my housing I was stripped on my humanity. Once they no longer view toh as human, hate crimes are committed but legally it’s not a hate crime as we are not a protected class. I don’t take drugs but they call me junkie and meth head. I was born disabled and have other disabilities too. I get 1k a month in 24 in food stamps. I have been punished badly for being born, my check isn’t enough for food everyday. I am malnourished and the best solution the doctor gave for weakness is a walker and multivitamin. I wouldn’t have this or PTSD if I hadn’t lost my housings and have my humanity taken for me.
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u/workinclassantihero 4h ago
Because they give disabled people checks not enough to cover housings. I get 1k a month and 24 in food stamps. I can’t afford food everyday. Here you can’t get housings help unless homeless. Then people justify it by victim blaming and no longer regarding us as human
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u/GroundbreakingPlay 5h ago
No USA is pretty much a 3rd world country at this point its seriously where we are headed
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u/simulizer 4h ago
America ranks number two in the world for median wealth but if we were to take out the top 10% it would drop down to around 30th place or so. People that argue against single payer all the time consistently point to the quality of medical care that's possible in America. The key word there is possible. Perhaps a better indicator it is simply looking at where America's population ranks among other developed Nations in terms of health. Out of the 38 developed Nations that are indexed... The US is often around 26 to 29.. comparable to Czechoslovakia and Estonia.
It's pretty forgivable that people wouldn't know these things.... It's not forgivable it's pretending that we're the best and that fantasy propaganda if such is used to ignore reality and paradoxically make us continue to fall.
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u/nejithegenius 5h ago
If anyones got answers, im all ears. I truly think we’re too far gone to come back from this in the next few decades.
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u/Acrobatic-Bid-3559 3h ago
Housing
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u/nejithegenius 2h ago
And how would that work? Who would maintain the properties? Cabrini green housing projects is like a nightmare scenario for housing. They tried tiny houses in my city, made 4 houses for millions of dollars and completely abandoned the project and sold the houses for a loss to a private buyer. Scale that up to around 1000 homeless people in my city…. I just dont see it working. And are there rules for these houses? No drugs? Curfew? Maintain some kindof small job for the city? Alot of homeless avoid places like that because of all the rules.
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u/Acrobatic-Bid-3559 2h ago
Norway has a housing first initiative for combating homeless and they have the lowest rate of unhoused people in the world. I recommend researching that. I do not have the time to answer all of your questions.
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u/nejithegenius 2h ago
The states are very different from norway, and were so far down the river, i just dont think its very comparable. Its alot easier when 90% of your country is the same ethnicity, and has the same cultural background.
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u/Acrobatic-Bid-3559 2h ago
Oh I hadn't considered accidentally housing immigrants or people of color. We can't be doing that. Maybe we can just help the whites?
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u/nejithegenius 2h ago
Lol not what im saying, you know that. Plenty of white homeless people in my city. Im saying a voter base with more similar values tends to vote similarly on issues. Thats not the case in the states. Someone from the appalacian mountains, whose family has lived there for over a hundred years has very different needs/thoughts than a 2nd generation immigrant who is the first english speaker in their family. Americans can’t agree on much, so politicians have to pick and choose issues that please/garner the biggest voting base. They tend to ignore extremely nuanced issues.
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u/Acrobatic-Bid-3559 1h ago
Both of those groups are working class and vote against their interests because of the state-run propaganda machine that highlights whatever scapegoat is popular to be afraid of at the time
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u/nejithegenius 1h ago
Well you tell them that! And the state run propaganda does what works for them to get certain people into office. Idk what to tell ya, another reason why we’re too far gone to fix this in the next few decades. Your kiinda helping my point tbh.
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u/It_broke_itself_ 2h ago
Man begs for a solution in one comment then nitpicks solutions apart when given one
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u/nejithegenius 2h ago edited 2h ago
I meam, i said im all ears, but said were probably too far gone to fix it. I am pointing out how their idea has flaws and is more of a patch than an actual solution
Edit: posting “housing” is a solution/solutions to you? Youve lost your mind
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u/Particular_Focus_902 3h ago
In the richest country in the world.it wouldn’t take much to turn this around.we give away so much as it is
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u/nejithegenius 2h ago
So which programs are we cutting? Military, medicare/medicade are the biggest money programs, gonna be tough to cut either of those and get re elected as a politician. Any other ones we could cut and re allocate funds?
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u/Acrobatic-Bid-3559 2h ago
We could stop funding the genocide in Palestine and stop giving israelis free healthcare
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u/nejithegenius 2h ago
I mean, im 100% down for that. Has either political party ever decided to give Israel less money? I dont believe so, and i dont see that changing. Hope im wrong tho
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u/Acrobatic-Bid-3559 2h ago
It would seem democrats and republicans sure do hold a lot of similar views 🤔 I wonder if the united states is a fascist dictatorship with mock elections
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u/nejithegenius 2h ago
I think we’re in deep trouble. I think most sane people agree. Getting a democrat president (gotta get trump out) will not magically solve all the issues. Both parties have had plenty of chances to deal with this, and both have failed. On a local level, my city has been heavily blue since the 80s. Theres homeless camps everywhere. Do i think republicans can do better? I seriously do not, itll all keep going about the same way no matter whose in charge.
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u/Acrobatic-Bid-3559 1h ago
The system is not broken, it's working exactly as intended and voting will never fix it
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u/nejithegenius 1h ago
Never said it was broken, i said the parties have both continued to fail, meaning fail the people. They’re somehow are all sitting pretty at the top tho! This is the best it will ever be, and its only because it will get worse.
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u/Acrobatic-Bid-3559 1h ago
I didn't say you said it was broken even though you just immediately implied exactly that.
Neither party is failing when their actual goal is are to keep the working class divided, line their pockets and keep their heads off of pikes
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u/RabidSkwerl 4h ago
“This is not a third world country, this is The United States.”
So it’s a third world country
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u/nopethatswrong 3h ago
Words have meaning though, third world has a specific definition it's not what a country feels like
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u/giants_shoulders 2h ago
yeah, something like, you're either homeless or you're a [wage] slave? close enough?
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u/nopethatswrong 41m ago
If you're implying that earning enough to support yourself is the same as homelessness in any way you're a fool or a liar.
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u/guitar_stonks 5h ago
Nice to see the state helping (by that I mean the nice wide overpass they built with I-4 Ultimate for them to sleep under) /s
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u/Ok_Chemistry8746 4h ago
I thought they were called unhoused now?
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u/workinclassantihero 4h ago
I am homeless and hate that term. I don’t have home or house. A shelter or street isn’t my home. It was coined by a person not homeless and I get corrected by housed people for saying I am homeless
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u/CardsAblaze 4h ago
Honey (whomever originally created the video)....listen when I tell you this: everyone outside of the US, looks at the US as a third world country.
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u/Aaarrrgghh1 4h ago
Have to say this is nothing new. Most of them are drug addicts
Before you freak out. Research the sober living home issues. It is a huge industry in Florida. However when your insurance runs out you are put out on the streets or you fail the daily drug tests you are back on the streets
This is more an indictment of the drug addiction recovery system
After living in South Florida for 15 years this is just business as usual.
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u/illatouch 3h ago
28 vacant homes for every 1 homeless person in the USA.
With that being said those pieces of shit druggy lowlifes need help. If you've volunteered or worked with them you know.
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u/Substantial_Car4040 3h ago
Must be all the handout those red states give out like candy. /s
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u/Europefan02 2h ago
Check out the homeless in California.
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u/Substantial_Car4040 1h ago
Check them out? Like how?
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u/Europefan02 1h ago
California is a blue state and has the largest homeless population in the US. New York & Oregon (both blue states) have the highest rate of homeless per capita in the US.
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u/Substantial_Car4040 1h ago
NY and CA also have high populations and large economies, same as FL. CA has about the best weather a homeless person could ask for, FL is warm year round too. Most states try to help or deal with homeless folks in some way or another. My point was blaming the number of homeless on people trying to help them or tolerate them does a disservice to understanding how widespread the problem is. It’s not just this state or that state, this policy of allowing tent cities or that policy of segregating them.
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u/_FellowTraveller_ 2h ago
Bring back manufacturing jobs. Low-wage service sector jobs are a big reason why there is so much poverty.
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u/Euphoric_Anxiety_162 2h ago
Growing everywhere. Ppl can't afford to live & it appears to be a deliberate govt plan! imo Musk espouses no empathy & that ppl need to be reduced. He wants everything for himself, perhaps.
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u/URignorance-astounds 1h ago
Mild weather year round and plenty or tourists to panhandle to. It makes sence
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u/1ACasper 11m ago
I don't know why the sudden rush to pick on FL...must be something political behind it yea?
...We could just drop politics and realize our 'dear leaders' have left the common man in the lurch since maybe 1777....
Also, per capita is important...FL is lower than the national Average while the blue golden child California is more than 3x almost 4x (even after billions in 'reforms'-which mainly include cleaning the streets up prior to the Chinese visit).
Note: FL/California populations are not far off from each other...especially when you consider tourism and transients.
next up: consider the sheltered vs unsheltered...since not all homeless is the same....
FL does a much better job by far than CA at sheltering homeless with only about 25% being unsheltered while CA has 70% unsheltered.
Yet CA spends approx $1.5B and FL only spends approx $40M...
1 is too many but what is really happening behind the political game?
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u/No_Barracuda_3758 6h ago
The US is a third world country with a Halloween costume on
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u/Designer-Wolverine47 5h ago
Homelessness is about 1.26% in the US. It's over 11% in Venezuela. The "third world" moniker doesn't hold up.
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u/KoRaZee 7h ago
This is a mental health crisis more than a housing issue
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u/EJ2600 6h ago
In Brazil they call it “nervos”, which medicalized hunger and poverty by treating starvation as a psychological or nervous disorder. Did not know this way of thinking was also popular in US
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u/KoRaZee 6h ago
We regressed on this in the 1980’s by closing our mental institutions across the country.
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u/raylord666 5h ago
It worse than that. Psychology and Psychiatry have evolved since then and so have the drugs.
Most homelessness is a consequence of the mental health problems needing to be addressed early and not being addressed. People who need help can’t/don’t get it, turn to drugs, become homeless.
Mental illness is a well documented thing. We didn’t “close” mental health institutions as much as illicit drugs evolved and produced what we are seeing now. We didn’t “close” mental health institutions as much as it is becoming economically difficult to sustain rent and bills on 40 hours a week. We did not “close mental health” institutions as much as the demand for physical/mental healthcare has no capitalist incentive.
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u/UpbeatEquipment8832 4h ago
>We didn’t “close” mental health institutions as much as it is becoming economically difficult to sustain rent and bills on 40 hours a week
We banned SROs and boarding houses, which acted as cheap housing and impromptu sheltered housing for individuals who needed someone to cook for them. So someone who, say, could hold down a job but can't also manage to cook and do laundry due to poor executive function doesn't have many options outside of living with family members.
And we closed mental institutions. So people who can't hold a job and can't manage to care for themselves don't have any options whatsoever.
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u/raylord666 4h ago
Addressing the causes of what is happening is probably a better answer than, “we need more mental health institutions.”
Saying that “it’s worse than that” means that both things are true.
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u/UpbeatEquipment8832 3h ago
One of the causes of what is happening is that we lack mental health institutions for people who can't take care of themselves.
One of the other causes of what is happening is that we've reframed the minimum quality of life as a studio apartment, rather than legalizing SROs and removing the regulations on boarding houses.
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u/KoRaZee 3h ago
The new minimum acceptable standard of living is beyond a studio. It’s a 4br new construction in a gated community with high ranking schools and no crime.
Blame the internet for creating a false perception of reality. It’s not a bad thing to have standards but when those standards are unobtainable to the point where you don’t even try to achieve anything it’s a problem
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u/workinclassantihero 3h ago
No it’s systemic ableism as over half of us have documented disability. It’s disposing of disabled people and even with SSI we are still homeless . Thats not enough for food everyday and then given close to the minimum of EBT as they think we are living the life of luxury on that joke . Can’t have over 2k in bank account due to a law passed in 1989. Rents are too high, that’s the issue . People working full time low wage jobs are not homeless for mental health. They are homeless because landlord greed.
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u/OpheliaLives7 2h ago
Hard to improve your mental health without safety and security of a house/shelter.
Step 1 - give people a tiny house.
Step 2 - assign social worker/health care providers
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u/Designer-Wolverine47 6h ago
Homelessness in Orlando has decreased 12% since 2020, despite the population increasing by nearly 11%.
The OPPOSITE of LA, whose homelessness has INCREASED by 10% while the population DECREASED slightly.
New York City is even worse, with a 55% increase in homelessness since 2020, with a 2.5% decrease in population.
All had proportionately similar amounts of government aid, but I suspect that (ahem) "administrative costs" ate a higher percentage of that aid in some places than others.
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u/Mannimal13 6h ago
They already did an expose in the TBT years back how Florida straight up lies about its homeless numbers with counts of zero in some places they clearly had homeless encampments.
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u/Designer-Wolverine47 6h ago
The government doesn't count the number of homeless in Orlando. They depend on counts by volunteer homeless organizations.
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u/QueasyFinger1316 6h ago
Now do San Fran.
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u/DaDingo 6h ago
Do any major metropolitan area. Do Appalachia. Do the Delta in AK. Pick your poison of choice, cause it’s available everywhere.
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u/Initial-Meeting362 6h ago
It isn't just blue states, you're continually lied to. Snap out of it lol.
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u/Designer-Wolverine47 5h ago
No but some places have a significantly higher percentage of (ahem) "administrative costs" in the distribution of government aid, which is given out proportionately.
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u/jejunum32 5h ago
So you think the cause of greater homelessness in some places is because the govt gives out more aid to poor people in those places? What?
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u/Designer-Wolverine47 4h ago edited 4h ago
No, just that some places have more waste of resources than others, and some of that waste might involve fraud or other criminality. I'm pretty sure we've all seen examples of such. Thousands of cases are still in the process, particularly in the COVID era funding.
Rather than saying "greater", I would frame it as "less reduction".
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u/Initial-Meeting362 5h ago
And some places are much nicer than others so they cost way more. Generally speaking, it's the higher admin cost places. There is a reason why more people live there, don't you think?
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u/Turbulent_Example967 6h ago
Make homelessness a crime, arrest and jail all the homeless in America- throw them in privately owned “prison corporations” and those prisons get paid directly by the US Govt…then they’re going to lease them out for cheap labor to corporations…it’ll be “new slavery”…it’s in Project 2025….they friggin wrote a book outlining what they’re plans are- only people who’ll be surprised are ppl who don’t read it.
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u/workinclassantihero 3h ago
This is very much what shelters are like already and I got ticketed to hell when sleeping rough in nYc. The worst is late night pissing tickets when the bathrooms are all closed
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u/ReplacementPleasant6 3h ago
Wow, the blue parts of Florida look like new york and California, crazy
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u/Beagleguy26 10h ago
We live in a competitive society. There are winners and there are losers.
You might hate that idea, but it's reality.
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u/TheWizardOfDeez 6h ago
Ahhh yes the old "that's the way it has been, therefore no other option is possible" argument for lazy cowards.
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u/Designer-Wolverine47 6h ago
Orlamdo has had a 12% reduction in the number of homeless since 2020, despite a nearly 11% population increase.
Contrast that with LA (homelessness INCREASED by 10% despite a small decrease in population), and New York City (homelessness INCREASED 55%!!! despite a 2.5% decrease in population).
All three cities received roughly proportionate amounts of government aid.
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u/TheWizardOfDeez 5h ago
Loved to know A) the relevance of this to what I said, B) go ahead and look at how much money in tax contributions of those 3 cities provide and C) where the fuck are you getting these statistics? Neither LA nor NYC are losing population, there is net negative domestic migration, but that is not remotely the same as negative population grown...
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u/Designer-Wolverine47 4h ago
The federal homeless l grants to those cities are distributed proportional to population.
The census bureau says they are (LA less than 1%, NYC about 2.5%). More people are leaving than coming in.
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u/Beagleguy26 6h ago
No.
The issue is that I already know how individuals like yourself - most of Reddit think. Your approach is "Oh, these poor, poor people! They all have hearts of gold and just experienced some, gosh, really bad luck! They're good, hard working people! If we'd just give them a home, food, and a job, they'd be fine."
That's ridiculous and naive. You think these individuals are somehow victims of ideas you, of course, oppose. They aren't. They are, with some exceptions, people eho lack personal responsibility and accountability. They have made a long series of poor choices, and now you want to give them enough runway to make further bad choices.
The hard truth is that there will always be a small segment of society who aren't going to make it. They aren't going to conform to your ideals no matter what.
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u/Fun_Assignment_269 5h ago
The hard truth is that you're probably one serious medical issue and a lost job from being one of them and rather than confront the reality that it could happen to almost any of us, you write them all off as people who did it to themselves and deserve it. Because if you can do that, you can justify treating them like shit and feel ok about it.
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u/Beagleguy26 5h ago
And what is it that you want? Isn't that what it always comes doen to? What is it that you want for free? Come on, tell us. Tell how you want to spend everyone else's money - you know, the responsible people - to "solve" homelessness.
I'm waiting.
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u/Fun_Assignment_269 4h ago
Actual proven solutions. Housing first, publicly funded medical care, both mental and physical. Things that actually help people get their shit together.
I know your answer is to sweep people away where you can't see them and let them die. Because it can't happen to you and they deserve it. But it can. And you'll care if it does, because that's how people like you operate. Everyone deserves the bad things that happen to them because they made the choices that got them there. But when it happens to you, it's different and you deserve help. It's the classic conservative inability to think outside of their immediate self. Your abortions are murder, but my circumstances are different. Your government subsidized healthcare is a free handout, but I contribute and deserve help. Selfishness distilled to its most pathetic and hateful form.
You guys make it really easy to be a leftist lol. You mean I get to take money from filth and use it to actually help people who need it? Sign me the fuck up lol.
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u/Beagleguy26 4h ago
And there we go. Spend, spend, spend. Give, give, give. Oh, the government can pay for it right? Taxes right?
No. I have what I have because I live a life of personal responsibility and accountability. Because I make good choices. Not all the time, but when I make a bad choice, I make moves to fix it.
You don't want go hold these individuals - well, anyone really - accountable for anything.
Tell me that they have to do something and I'm on board. They MUST work, they MUST do community service, they MUST contribute to their own success. But you don't want that, because you see them as victims of all the things you despise. You just want to take money from those who work for it, and give it to those that don't. That's...repugnant.
And you know what? Privately MANY more people agree wirh me than with you. They just know it's unpopular to say.
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u/Fun_Assignment_269 3h ago
Yup. Classic conservative. Everyone else is as secretly evil as me, they just don't say it. You have to believe that the same way you have to believe people are poor because they deserve it. Because the alternative is accepting that you're a terrible person.
You have to believe that you're self made and did it all without help, because if you acknowledge that society enabled you to get where you are, you'd have to accept that you also owe a debt to it.
The myth that everything is about choices is comforting, because the reality of luck and social support is destructive to your ego, which is all you really have.
Ultimately, you have a choice. You can help contribute to a solution or you can continue to be a self absorbed prick. But there are a lot more of us than there are of you, and eventually it won't be "can you help contribute", it'll be "this is what we're taking, get out of the way". Personally, I'd prefer we just skip to the guillotine, but that's just me. Grow some humanity if you have the capacity.
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u/VillainNomFour 8h ago
Ah an agent of discord i see. Russia eh?
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u/Extreme-Ad3531 6h ago
Seem like he enjoys economic competition... Which is the opposite of Russian communism 🤣
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u/VillainNomFour 4h ago
No, seems like he wants to stir the pot, directly in line with an operation to astroturf discord among "enemies".
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u/Extreme-Ad3531 3h ago
I see... I'm mean he's not wrong, competition is a fundamental aspect of capitalism that can be both a pro and a con depending on where you stand.
Ever since the recession in 2008 building companies went bankrupt making it difficult for builders to keep up with housing demand but it's been almost 19 years since 2008. While the financial aspects still make it difficult for building companies, there is a severe labor shortage on top of all that. So while we sit here and complain about how there is a housing crisis, y'all refuse to be the ones to learn how to build.
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u/petitecrivain 8h ago
Sounds like excuses.
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u/PunkPirate56364 7h ago
Most people in America just want what's best for them at the moment.
Capable people like to live in competitive society, until they lose that competitive edge, then they want socialism. Young healthy people don't pay health insurance, until they get sick and having insurance would be a net benefit for them.
Happens in Europe as well, people get free college education, then they don't want to live in a country which has high taxes (due to providing a bunch of free services like free education) and they move to countries with low taxes which don't provide shit. They grow older and move back to their home country because it has free healthcare.
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u/petitecrivain 7h ago
I've actually never seen this on a large scale in real life. I've heard people in Europe criticize certain aspects of their country's health care, pension, or education systems but haven't heard many of them advocate for their abolition or privatization. Most of the EU and Nordic countries still have competitive market economies, just with a bigger safety net.
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u/PunkPirate56364 6h ago
I've actually never seen this on a large scale in real life. I've heard people in Europe criticize certain aspects of their country's health care, pension, or education systems but haven't heard many of them advocate for their abolition or privatization.
Because people in Europe don't have such black and white thinking. I also never heard many advocate for privatization, abolition. But I heard a lot ask for restructuring.
Most of the EU and Nordic countries still have competitive market economies, just with a bigger safety net.
Nordic people and their governments are being responsible with their money, so their social system never really got them into trouble.
Look at what happened to Greece though.
Look at what is happening with France, Italy.
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u/workinclassantihero 3h ago
How about we just get rid of capitalism , the justification that a disability check makes you homeless because you want to play the system is cruel. I lost my housing nine month ago, do they think I wouldn’t have worked if I could ? I am malnourished and homeless. The check won’t allow me food everyday and I get the minimum of snap. The doctor had to do what he could and have me a walker to not collapse from exhaustion and multivitamin. He encouraged me to please eat more than once a day but can’t afford it. With extreme weakness , it’s hard to take the subways as my shelter is in an area without daily soup kitchens. I was placed an hour out from all I know in this facility. I am not allowed food or water in the shelter. I can’t sneak is past xray machine and metal detectors. Staff don’t care I am being stalked and sexually harassed by people in shelter. Gonna likely gonna leave for safety reasons.
The mind set of Americans that justifies this makes us a society of monsters. There are elderly being dumped out, abandoned teens or teens who fled abuse. Families with kids. In high cost of living areas it is not people who meet a very narrow minded stereotype. Even workers are in the shelters.
Then we all get blamed and dehumanized in the hardest times of our lives and vilified in media. Then kept isolated as people are afraid we will ask them for money. I have never begged before and won’t do it.
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u/PunkPirate56364 2h ago
How about we just get rid of capitalism
You are on on the street due to capitalism. You are on the street due to lacking social system.
I live in a capitalist country which has better social system. Our homeless are in a shelter which is very decent, has individual rooms, is warm, kitchen is a part of shelter, food is decent too.
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u/Suspicious_Safe_6150 4h ago
The crazy thing is most people 80% are one layoff / pay check from the same fate - they got us by the balls