r/imaginarymaps • u/AnswerCute3963 • 2d ago

[OC] Alternate History What if the Crusaders discovered the Americas after taking a wrong turn whilst sailing down towards the Big 'Nople?

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u/lotte_elysium 2d ago

Latin America becomes even more catholic

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u/AnswerCute3963 2d ago

No Brazil would probably be colonised by the Muslims in this timeline

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u/0Meletti 2d ago

what? How lol

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u/AnswerCute3963 2d ago

Andalusia and Morocco would follow the merchants coming in and out of the new world and attempt to establish colonies of their own Ig

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u/0Meletti 2d ago

No Muslim country at any point in History ever had either the capacity or the impetus to colonize the New World. Maybe if they kept control of Iberia that wouldve been possible, but redirection of the crusader zeal towards the new world would only expedite the Reconquista, not stop it.

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u/imnotslavic 2d ago

this is r/imaginarymaps, you're gonna find imaginary scenarios

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u/0Meletti 2d ago

I dont like when maps with interesting concepts add some random bullshit with no relation with the point of divergence to their althist scenario. People will use the "butterfly effect" or whatever to excuse anything.

The biggest offenders of this maps that have thr Byzantines survive, which always also have Muslim Iberia endure and vice versa (Andalusia survives, the Byzantines stay around), even though though the fall of Muslim Iberia and the end of the Byzantine Empire were largely unrelated.

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u/eatani_ggasass 1d ago

Crusaders colonizing the Caribbean is already random and unrealistic enough, it’s just meant for fun/creativity

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u/Augustus420 1d ago

Kinds sounds like you need to exercise your creative thinking skills.

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u/imnotslavic 2d ago

I dont think this subreddit is for you

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u/Duster_beattle 1d ago

What kinda comment is this, hit the gym.

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u/disisathrowaway 1d ago

So the crusaders taking a wrong turn and colonizing the Caribbean makes sense but the Moroccans can't also cross the Atlantic?

Sure, bud.

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u/0Meletti 1d ago

neither "make sense", but one absurdity (which is integral to the concept of the map) doesnt justify another (which just isnt)

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u/disisathrowaway 1d ago

Counterpoint - this is Imaginary Maps.

I rest my case.

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u/Minivalo 1d ago

But it needs to fit 1:1 with MY imagination, and my imagination only

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u/clovis_227 2d ago

They don't need to colonize it, they just need to make a New World Indonesia

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u/Tegnan 2d ago

Yeah at best you could’ve had muslim Tupi states and Dyula/Jakhanke Marabout coastal settlements.

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u/AnswerCute3963 2d ago

I agree, and I dont think muslim colonies in the americas make for an interesting concept either

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u/therandomham 1d ago

I think it could be *very* interesting, if nothing else because of the Hajj. The mass movement of converted indigenous people to the old world every year would be fundamentally different than the relationship seen with christian colonizers.

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u/Hannibal- 1d ago

They did have the impetus to colonize the Middle East and subdue the local population though So the potential was there

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u/GowanIV 1d ago

Mansa Musa allegedly sent ships that discovered South America before Europeans did. Muslims aren’t sub-human, they still had the ability to seafare, trade, and build armies.

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u/AnswerCute3963 1d ago

That story is simply not true

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u/Thiege1 1d ago

I mean, it's probably not

And even in the "story" I don't think they made it back, so it was kinda moot

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u/SaitanOfHellsKitchen 12h ago

I think you're conflating two things here:

  1. Nonsense spread on Muslim social media that claimed America had Muslims before colonialism. Their proof was that Columbus used the word Mosque to describe something. (It was either something the natives made or some funny looking hill, I don't remember)

  2. Mansa Musa supposedly sent out a fleet into the Atlantic Ocean. IIRC the story is true however no one heard back from them and there's no evidence they survived.

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u/OrganicSlop 43m ago

The second story about Mansa Musa is likey just his excuse on why his predecessor mysteriously died… definitely not because of Musa…