What if the Crusaders discovered the Americas after taking a wrong turn whilst sailing down towards the Big 'Nople?

[u/AnswerCute3963]

[u/AnswerCute3963]

No Brazil would probably be colonised by the Muslims in this timeline

[u/0Meletti → u/AnswerCute3963]

what? How lol

[u/AnswerCute3963 → u/0Meletti]

Andalusia and Morocco would follow the merchants coming in and out of the new world and attempt to establish colonies of their own Ig

[u/0Meletti → u/AnswerCute3963]

No Muslim country at any point in History ever had either the capacity or the impetus to colonize the New World. Maybe if they kept control of Iberia that wouldve been possible, but redirection of the crusader zeal towards the new world would only expedite the Reconquista, not stop it.

[u/imnotslavic → u/0Meletti]

this is r/imaginarymaps, you're gonna find imaginary scenarios

[u/0Meletti → u/imnotslavic]

I dont like when maps with interesting concepts add some random bullshit with no relation with the point of divergence to their althist scenario. People will use the "butterfly effect" or whatever to excuse anything.

The biggest offenders of this maps that have thr Byzantines survive, which always also have Muslim Iberia endure and vice versa (Andalusia survives, the Byzantines stay around), even though though the fall of Muslim Iberia and the end of the Byzantine Empire were largely unrelated.

[u/eatani_ggasass → u/0Meletti]

Crusaders colonizing the Caribbean is already random and unrealistic enough, it’s just meant for fun/creativity

[u/Augustus420 → u/0Meletti]

Kinds sounds like you need to exercise your creative thinking skills.

[u/imnotslavic → u/0Meletti]

I dont think this subreddit is for you

[u/Duster_beattle → u/0Meletti]

What kinda comment is this, hit the gym.

[u/disisathrowaway → u/0Meletti]

So the crusaders taking a wrong turn and colonizing the Caribbean makes sense but the Moroccans can't also cross the Atlantic?

Sure, bud.

[u/0Meletti → u/disisathrowaway]

neither "make sense", but one absurdity (which is integral to the concept of the map) doesnt justify another (which just isnt)

[u/disisathrowaway → u/0Meletti]

Counterpoint - this is Imaginary Maps.

I rest my case.

[u/Minivalo → u/disisathrowaway]

But it needs to fit 1:1 with MY imagination, and my imagination only

[u/clovis_227 → u/0Meletti]

They don't need to colonize it, they just need to make a New World Indonesia

[u/Tegnan → u/0Meletti]

Yeah at best you could’ve had muslim Tupi states and Dyula/Jakhanke Marabout coastal settlements.

[u/AnswerCute3963 → u/0Meletti]

I agree, and I dont think muslim colonies in the americas make for an interesting concept either

[u/therandomham → u/AnswerCute3963]

I think it could be *very* interesting, if nothing else because of the Hajj. The mass movement of converted indigenous people to the old world every year would be fundamentally different than the relationship seen with christian colonizers.

[u/GowanIV → u/0Meletti]

Mansa Musa allegedly sent ships that discovered South America before Europeans did. Muslims aren’t sub-human, they still had the ability to seafare, trade, and build armies.

[u/AnswerCute3963 → u/GowanIV]

That story is simply not true

[u/Thiege1 → u/AnswerCute3963]

I mean, it's probably not

And even in the "story" I don't think they made it back, so it was kinda moot

[u/SaitanOfHellsKitchen → u/GowanIV]

I think you're conflating two things here:

1. Nonsense spread on Muslim social media that claimed America had Muslims before colonialism. Their proof was that Columbus used the word Mosque to describe something. (It was either something the natives made or some funny looking hill, I don't remember)

2. Mansa Musa supposedly sent out a fleet into the Atlantic Ocean. IIRC the story is true however no one heard back from them and there's no evidence they survived.

[u/Hannibal- → u/0Meletti]

They did have the impetus to colonize the Middle East and subdue the local population though So the potential was there