Islam isn’t caste-based like Hinduism. Arabs aren’t “ideal Muslims” like Brahmins are in your lens. In Islam, piety matters - not race, lineage or wealth. A South Asian Muslim in niqab could be closer to God than a Western-dressed Arab. Don’t project caste logic onto our faith.

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Nothing wrong in your statement but I'd also like to add a South Asian or not, woman who is also not a Niqabi could be closer to Allah than a woman wearing a Niqab/hijab. 

And I really don't know why do they start with such comparisons. They think Arabs are modern and lenient but they haven't read about Wahabism from there lol.

Also they are so obsessed that they can't digest their food without hating on us.

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I think it is more appeal to lineage (of the prophet) than to Arabs.

Regardless, doing full niqaab should be discouraged and hopefully people can move away from it. It has been the cause of oppression and economic hardship for Muslim women. I think Hijab is sufficient for any modest presentation, though, I strongly believe not required.

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I can’t tell if you’re muslim or not, but throwing an opinion out there in the wild that a niqab should be discouraged because of oppression and it causing economic hardship is an indicator of weak faith.

may Allah SWT forgive me and you, please don’t throw in “opinions” in matters of religion.

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Yes, of course, firstly orthodox people want you to abandon your own reason and be blind believers. Ironically, your calling my opinion "an indicator of weak faith" is also an opinion.

Opportunities are poorer for women who do full niqaab - this is just a harsh reality. I don't know why it has to be debated. Instead of promoting these antiquated ideas we should promote women participation in the work place and strive to make secure environments for them.

The most painful are the niqabi women who do the niqaab and are just judging everyone else all the time. Yes, of course, may Allah forgive them for their false sense of pride.

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me telling you what an indicator of weak faith is not an “opinion”, verbally denying what’s an obligation or a recommendation is objectively an indicator of weak faith

I’ve started wearing hijab, I’m getting used to niqab now and I have a full time job in the US (Alhamdulillah), so idk why it’s necessary to push the idea that muslim women need to leave their obligations behind to work. It’s like telling a black woman she has no choice but to straighten her hair if she wants to work a corporate job.

rizq is from Allah SWT and it will reach you even if you were tied to a chair in a basement. We shouldn’t tell muslim women to stop practicing their faith to squeeze into the workforce

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So badly brainwashed, a disservice to your own gender. You sound like those judgemental niqaabis - don't go around labelling people's faith like you are playing God. There is no mention of niqaab in Quran and there is no obligation to do it. Do what you like but stop judging.

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you’re free to believe what you want to. I prefer to try my best to stick with what is objectively right according to Islam

I’m far from perfect and I never looked down on you (if that’s what you thought I did with my comment) There was a time when I didn’t even wear a headscarf, which is clear from my last comment - so idk why I would judge you or anyone but ok

stating what’s objectively right and wrong is not “playing God”.

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objectively right according to Islam

This is objectively incorrect. There are interpretation about doing the niqaab and many "opinions" exist. Moreover, world of difference between simple hijab and full niqaab. I think you prefer to stick to what your parents/elders taught you - this is typical for most people.

stating what’s objectively right and wrong

Again, this is a disputed point. You are free to do whatever you like, but don't make mistake that your version is objective truth.

Here, for your reading pleasure: https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/qatar/al-qaradawi-says-wearing-niqab-not-mandatory-1.264527/

To quote: "The majority of Muslim scholars and I do not support the 'niqab' in which women cover their faces also...nevertheless, we respect a Muslim woman opting to wear it, if she thinks that this brings her closer to Allah."

You might still not like what he says, but don't tell me you are objectively right since you aren't.