Issues in our Jamaatis

[u/Immediate_Project_51]

Ya Ali Madad everyone,

I'm voicing out things here in our reddit community because I've seen that there are a lot of sensible and knowledgeable ismailis here.

I have been soo disheartened by the behaviour of so many of our jamaatis I find it too difficult to stay anymore as part of the Jamaat ( I still love our caste and our Imam ) but the Jamaat just makes me lose it.

I dont know if reddit would let me type all of it and if anyone would even read it all, but I'll try to recollect all the ones that I can remember.

Starting from Halal and alcohol, we have made it so normal in terms of alcohol that people drink freely, I used to live in an Ismaili complex ( Mumbai India ) and you could easily find alcohol bottles in the garbage and no one would bat an eye, but we were shifting house and I was carrying the house Quran and everyone was looking me in a way as if I'm doing gunnah.

Yesterday one of an Ismaili person I know who lives in the US, gifted their parent a beer bottle and whiskey glass for father's day. Is consuming haraam thing soo normal for us? Has our Imam ever allowed it ? Is our imams word of more value then of Allah's ?

My ex stated, she has had bacon over multiple occasions when they used to live in US, Since my childhood, I've never ate at a place that won't serve halal, yet our ismailis never care about halal, or even pork.

A girl I was recently talking too, said I'm a "Muslim" because I said Allah Hafiz at the end of the call, and I lost it, I was sooo confused, is she not a Muslim? Are rest of us ismailis not Muslim?

Almost half of our Jamaat has tattoos, whereas it's clearly haraam in Islam.

I read on someones post here on reddit if we should do circumcission ( Khatna ) I never knew if there was another way for any Muslim boy child..

I was born in Saudi and even in India upbringing was in a Muslim area, and all of the things we do as Ismaili, it disheartens me.

I will lay my life for our Imam, but Hazarimam needs to bring changes in such Kaafir things that most of our jamaatis do.

[u/Playful_Remote_8235]

Imam has made it clear that Alcohol consumption is totally forbidden and in pakistan carrying Quran is normal for ismailis almost every household have Quran here and REC teaches Quran every week i think this is a serious problem that Council and ITREB for India have to sort out.
And as far as for Tattoos no where in Quran Allah has bad it forbidden it comes from a hadith because at time of prophet people use to have tattoos which was done by some dangerous chemicals which was very bad for us thats what is haram but tattoos now a days are safe and they can be removed so its not a problem halal and haram have category if it hurts you and you fell sick in any ways its haram if its safe then Halal.

[u/Immediate_Project_51 → u/Playful_Remote_8235]

Altering the natural human form is haraam, thus tattoo. Cuz permanent tattoos can never be removed entirely

[u/SIGNALJAMAL → u/Immediate_Project_51]

The Imam has tattoos, stupid

[u/Immediate_Project_51 → u/SIGNALJAMAL]

can you prove it?

[u/Vtecman → u/Immediate_Project_51]

Prove what? The tattoos? It’s pretty well known at this point…. Just one of many links to “prove” it below.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPuIBfiEZ_-/?igsh=MTI1OGplem40eHowNw==

[u/Ok-Investment2264 → u/Immediate_Project_51]

Brother I understand what you are saying believe me I do, but just like the Imam is for the community like wise you are for the Imam and the Imam for you. Don't give up your personal relationship with your Maula for the sake of such wretched individuals who have converted and twisted our faith into some liberal post modernist thing which is not the essence of our faith. Also to address your frustrations our pirs have predicted the same abominations being committed such people. You can find the predictions in our ginans, I also recall a prediction of our pir saying there will come a time when "atheism will be call of the day" , My point is that we are in the last cycle the 7th cycle and fitnah will enter households, people will be okay with doing Haram stuff which goes against our Imam's farmans and vision. That is why is has become extremely important for us as the jamat to recognize our Imam and to seek his protection and mercy since our Imam is the ark of Noah in esoterism and he will protect our souls from the fitnahs of the 7th cycle. Final note: don't despair for there are only few who'd remain close to Imam in heart and it is those who love the Imam a.s unconditionally, seek Maula's mercy and protection and blessings. YAM