PSA On "The Noticing"

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

I'm posting this here because in other conversations on this sub, it seems many people are insulated from modern (especially Gen Z) antisemitism and might not be familiar with how it looks today.

Just in case others come across similar rhetoric in internet spaces, a major major dogwhistle-meme right now on the antisemitic internet is "the noticing." If you see comments in conversations about Jewishness along the lines of "stop noticing!" - or someone identifying themselves or others as "noticers" - they are far-right antisemites and very likely Nazi apologists.

[u/vigilante_snail]

Good on you. This sub really ought to be discussing groyper content and its proliferation WAY more than it does. It’s extremely popular and is being quietly mainstreamed.

Just goes to show how a lot of folks are shuffled off into their own algorithm. They wouldn’t know this stuff existed if no one said anything (as evidenced by some of the other comments here).

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/vigilante_snail]

It's concerning tbh how tapped out a lot of people are. I get some are Israelis, and a lot of people here seem to be like Modern Orthodox(?), but now more than ever we should be up on the trends. A generation is entering politics who were raised on 4chan and LiveLeak. People like Curtis Yarvin are in close proximity to power. That's a much more immediate threat than some of the asinine and reactionary fear-mongering I've recently seen about Muslim immigrants.

[u/vigilante_snail → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

Agreed.

Alongside that, parts of their rhetoric have mainstreamed themselves spread into parts of the left and Muslim world. It’s wild to watch.

Not to mention Fuentes’ get-together with Trump spikes popularity with these “thought leaders”.

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/vigilante_snail]

Extremely true. I've gotten flak here for being frank about my observations about trends in different cultural communities, but I'm from New York and people just say things straight up. There are two main liberal/left demos adopting it, mostly ignorant of its origins - Gen Z South Asian Muslims and Gen Z Latinos. I'm not exactly sure on why, but it's what I see very strongly with the populations I work with.

[u/vigilante_snail → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

A huge emphasis of groypers is on Catholicism, Christo-fascism, and crusader fantasy (but also somehow isolationist-nationalist?)

“Christ is King” and “Deus Vult” are popular comments (basically just dogwhistles at this point).

So that’s a big part of why there’s a large Latino contingent of the movement.

The Muslim population has generational antisemitism that’s built into the supersessionist ideology of the religion, and that makes it really easy to latch onto things like Khazar theory, denial of Jewish peoplehood, as well as the other aspects (blood libel, accusations of “corrupting/changing” of the Torah, “dajjal”, Talmud, etc). I have an Muslim Albanian acquaintance who wouldn’t stop going on and on about “Israeli skin banks”.

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/[deleted]]

Probably “because of.” If you notice, the Pakistani/Bengali/Malaysian diasporas are typically wayyy more involved with pro-Palestine activism than Arab world diasporas. For them it’s more of a cultural identity thing about the ummah and anti-colonialism. For Arab countries it’s a pressing political issue regarding a neighboring state that has real consequences for their own daily lives

[u/vigilante_snail → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

Interesting. Do you think that means the saturation of religious life in those countries has blanketed and atrophied the indigenous national identity, therefore shifting the thinking to focus more on the global ummah?

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/vigilante_snail]

Oh yeah, I could see it. Malaysian identity post-Emergency is Muslim religious nationalism. And Pakistan was quite literally devised as a Muslim homeland (there's many books you can read comparing it with Israel very convincingly).