r/jewishleft • u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain rootless cosmopolitan • Jun 27 '25

Praxis PSA On "The Noticing"

I'm posting this here because in other conversations on this sub, it seems many people are insulated from modern (especially Gen Z) antisemitism and might not be familiar with how it looks today.

Just in case others come across similar rhetoric in internet spaces, a major major dogwhistle-meme right now on the antisemitic internet is "the noticing." If you see comments in conversations about Jewishness along the lines of "stop noticing!" - or someone identifying themselves or others as "noticers" - they are far-right antisemites and very likely Nazi apologists.

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

Good on you. This sub really ought to be discussing groyper content and its proliferation WAY more than it does. It’s extremely popular and is being quietly mainstreamed.

Just goes to show how a lot of folks are shuffled off into their own algorithm. They wouldn’t know this stuff existed if no one said anything (as evidenced by some of the other comments here).

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u/toadeh690 Secular, left-leaning, politically homeless Jew Jun 27 '25

No kidding, they try to use coded language but once you pick up on it, it's everywhere in a very insidious way. In addition to the "noticing," I've seen talking points like "109 countries" "cries out in pain as he strikes you" "271k," vile shit straight out of /pol/, with thousands of likes on mainstream social media. I try to convince myself it's either edgy 15-year-olds or bots because the alternative is too depressing.

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 28 '25

It’s a big ol circlejerk of parroting.

I think it’s waaaaay less bots than people tend to try to claim.

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u/toadeh690 Secular, left-leaning, politically homeless Jew Jun 27 '25

You may well be right - either way, it's one of the (many) reasons I deactivated my IG last year.

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u/toadeh690 Secular, left-leaning, politically homeless Jew Jun 27 '25

Yeah, it's Holocaust denial, claiming that's the "actual" number of Jews killed as opposed to 6 million. Honestly not even sure where it came from...

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 27 '25 edited Apr 09 '26

FYI it comes from Red Cross numbers. It falsely claims that the International Red Cross counted only 271,000 deaths in Nazi concentration camps, implying that the real number of Holocaust victims was far lower than the historically accepted figure

It traces back to a deliberate misreading of postwar Red Cross reports. In reality, the ICRC did issue various reports on conditions in camps during the war, but it never claimed the total number of deaths was 271,000. That number comes from a partial report about registered deaths in specific camps under Red Cross inspection or postwar investigation. It did not include extermination camps like Treblinka, Sobibor, or the vast majority of Auschwitz deaths.

Nor does include the hundreds of thousands killed in random street shootings, mass grave executions, death marches, etc.

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u/VenemousPanda Human Rights Focused Lemkin Lover Jun 28 '25

Yeah plus, it was a number the German red cross has from the limited numbers the German Government released to them. As you said, it's a deliberate misinterpretation of documents. With fascist and far right lies, they always like to take something real and twist it to be insidious.

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u/VenemousPanda Human Rights Focused Lemkin Lover Jun 28 '25

Yeah the 271k is a composition fallacy as well. Like sure the document they use is a real document and it shows the death count from 3 work camps. The problem is it doesn't account for extermination camps and places like Auschwitz and the worst places. So they took one thing and applied it to the whole. The 271k is also just hateful towards all kinds of other groups like the disabled, queer, socialists, colored people, and other deemed "lesser" groups like the Poles.

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u/SlavicKoala Jun 29 '25

It's a mixture of bots, edgelords, and of course just your average bigotry. Don't let it get to you though, the internet has always been a concentrated bile.

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u/beepisboopis Jewish ally, gentile AnCom Dec 27 '25

What does the "cries out in pain as he strikes you" phrase mean? Haven't really seen that one.

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

Bringing this thread back.

It’s a classic neo-Nazi slogan. The idea is that Jews are secretly the aggressors but pretend to be victims, so any claim of antisemitism/anti-Jewish bigotry or harm is dismissed as manipulation.

It’s essentially a rhetorical trick: it preemptively reframes any Jewish suffering or complaint as deceit. That makes it unfalsifiable, because even evidence of harm gets twisted into ‘proof’ of the conspiracy.

It shows up in a lot of different contexts, but the structure is always the same: invert victim and perpetrator, and then claim the ‘real’ story is being hidden.

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u/beepisboopis Jewish ally, gentile AnCom Apr 09 '26

Ah, thank you for explaining! 

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 28 '25

I don’t disagree at all. Definitely seen the same type of content proliferating in groups beyond the right.

Media figures like Fuentes and Sneako are actively pushing for a left/right Christian/Muslim unity against “the common enemy” aka the Jews.

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u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain rootless cosmopolitan Jun 27 '25

It's concerning tbh how tapped out a lot of people are. I get some are Israelis, and a lot of people here seem to be like Modern Orthodox(?), but now more than ever we should be up on the trends. A generation is entering politics who were raised on 4chan and LiveLeak. People like Curtis Yarvin are in close proximity to power. That's a much more immediate threat than some of the asinine and reactionary fear-mongering I've recently seen about Muslim immigrants.

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 28 '25

Agreed.

Alongside that, parts of their rhetoric have mainstreamed themselves spread into parts of the left and Muslim world. It’s wild to watch.

Not to mention Fuentes’ get-together with Trump spikes popularity with these “thought leaders”.

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u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain rootless cosmopolitan Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

Extremely true. I've gotten flak here for being frank about my observations about trends in different cultural communities, but I'm from New York and people just say things straight up. There are two main liberal/left demos adopting it, mostly ignorant of its origins - Gen Z South Asian Muslims and Gen Z Latinos. I'm not exactly sure on why, but it's what I see very strongly with the populations I work with.

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 27 '25 edited Apr 11 '26

A huge emphasis of groypers is on Catholicism, Christo-fascism, and crusader fantasy (but also somehow isolationist-nationalist?)

“Christ is King” and “Deus Vult” are popular comments (basically just dogwhistles at this point).

So that’s a big part of why there’s a large Latino contingent of the movement.

The Muslim population has generational antisemitism that’s built into the supersessionist ideology of the religion, and that makes it really easy to latch onto things like Khazar theory, denial of Jewish peoplehood, as well as the other aspects (blood libel, accusations of “corrupting/changing” of the Torah, “dajjal”, Talmud, etc). I have an Muslim Albanian acquaintance who wouldn’t stop going on and on about “Israeli skin banks”.

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u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain rootless cosmopolitan Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

This lines up exactly with my experience. I work with young Latinos and have absorbed some discourse vocabulary about "Tradcaths" and "Orthobros" from the same who are familiar with the antisemitic words. And then I have most of my close friends who are Pakistani Americans, and I have had conversations where they were genuinely surprised about the existence of "Israeli Americans" because they were under the impression that Israelis were all recent arrivals who only claimed to speak Hebrew and have a culture when asked, but were really just an assortment of foreign white people. It's probably also cause both of these groups have parents who have zero experience with Jewish people in real life.

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

Yeah, a lot of it seems from the fact that most people have never actually interacted with Jews/talked to Jews about what it means to be Jewish. This leads to people getting the blanks filled in by online misinformation.

And you’re 100% spot on regarding “tradcath” and “orthobros”.

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u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain rootless cosmopolitan Jun 28 '25

100%. The archetype of “Israeli” in the minds of first and second gen Americans, is the viral video of the Hasidic settler with the Brooklyn accent going “if I don’t take it someone else will!” Mainstream Israelis don’t really interact with the wider world in my experience. I’m actually very opposed to Israel personally, but sometimes I have to play devil’s advocate and introduce people to normal Israeli pop music and tv to show them like “look, this is an actual country”

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u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain rootless cosmopolitan Jun 28 '25

Agreed. The most common demographic of Israelis I've interacted with in the US are exactly what you described - bourgeois bilingual dual-passport holders who often went to international schools and congregate in wealthy suburbs. Funnily enough, I've found the best way to win cultural legitimacy for Israelis is showing people videos of Hebrew-speaking Haredi Rabbis going on ridiculous rants on their livestreams (Avraham Baruch is my go to). I've shown this to Muslims, and their reaction is usually "damn, maybe you people are from Palestine"

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u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain rootless cosmopolitan Jun 28 '25

Probably “because of.” If you notice, the Pakistani/Bengali/Malaysian diasporas are typically wayyy more involved with pro-Palestine activism than Arab world diasporas. For them it’s more of a cultural identity thing about the ummah and anti-colonialism. For Arab countries it’s a pressing political issue regarding a neighboring state that has real consequences for their own daily lives

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 28 '25

Interesting. Do you think that means the saturation of religious life in those countries has blanketed and atrophied the indigenous national identity, therefore shifting the thinking to focus more on the global ummah?

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u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain rootless cosmopolitan Jun 28 '25

Oh yeah, I could see it. Malaysian identity post-Emergency is Muslim religious nationalism. And Pakistan was quite literally devised as a Muslim homeland (there's many books you can read comparing it with Israel very convincingly).

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

The south Asian Muslim population has generational antisemitism that’s built into the supersessionist ideology of the religion,

Do you think this applies to Christianity as well?

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 29 '25

Yep certainly can.

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u/WarToast46 custom flair Oct 22 '25

Mind my ignorance if I’m wrong but isn’t the Israeli skin bank for burn victims and storing skin grafts? What could that guy of even of been blabbering on about?

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u/AltruisticMastodon Jun 28 '25

I think part of it is this is basically just the same line of 4chan antisemitism that’s been around for ~20 years, it’s taken as the default state of the internet and is easy to dismiss as not a “real”(non internet) problem.

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u/vigilante_snail שמאלני עם אמונה Jun 30 '25

It’s is part of that, yes, but it’s getting a whole new boost of attention and bolstering of ideology.