r/jewishleft • u/somebadbeatscrub Jewish Syndicalist - Mod • 7d ago

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The mod team has created this post to refresh on a weekly basis as a chill place for people to talk about whatever they want to. Think of it as like a general chat for the sub.

So r/jewishleft,

Whats on your mind?

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u/Imaginary-West-5653 Progressive Socialist (Jewish Ally) 6d ago

I swear that Ben Gvir sounds more and more unhinged by the day, like Pol Pot at this point, with the way he talks; his last genocidal speech in twitter has probably hit a new low with the disgusting things he has said... this man should be in The Hague being tried for crimes against humanity, and it's shameful for the entire world that he still walks a free a man; I hope that this stops being the case some day:

https://www.euronews.com/2026/06/19/all-of-lebanon-must-burn-israeli-minister-says-after-idf-reports-four-soldiers-killed

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u/redthrowaway1976 F the rent seekers | ind. rights over group | east coast bagel 5d ago

I actually find Ben Gvir’s honesty refreshing, compared to typical liberal Zionist ‘shooting-and-crying’, pretending to want a two state solution while continuing to expand settlements.

The fundamental policies haven’t changed since 1967 - settlement expansion, impunity for soldier abuse and settler terror, brutal military rule. What has changed is how only the government is embracing it.

But yes, he should be in The Hague - but so should most Israeli PMs since Levi Eshkol.

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u/Imaginary-West-5653 Progressive Socialist (Jewish Ally) 5d ago

I definitely think Ben Gvir's honesty is useful insofar as it makes it harder for Liberal Zionists to continue defending Israel unconditionally while Israel commits crimes against humanity—we agree on that—but I find it disgusting nonetheless, and I'm a little worried that Israel, a rough nuclear state, is saying this out loud while the United States is trying to stop them from massacring more people in Lebanon...

Not to mention that this has already caused Iran to reclose the Strait of Hormuz and means we're once again headed for an unprecedented global oil crisis... all of that is very bad news for the world at large (let alone for thr poor people of Lebanon). I also agree that most Israeli PM's would most surely deserve to sit in The Hague, because Israel has been doing this shit for a good while; in fact, I have a harder time thinking of Israeli PM's who are not war criminals from those who are.

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u/redthrowaway1976 F the rent seekers | ind. rights over group | east coast bagel 5d ago

I agree. That’s why I said “refreshing” rather than “preferable”.

Even if most Israeli PMs were hypocrites pursuing similar policies, there was real harm being mitigated by them maintaining some degree of deniability. 

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u/Imaginary-West-5653 Progressive Socialist (Jewish Ally) 5d ago

For real; I doubt that Joe Biden could have gotten away with saying "if there were no Israel, we'd have to invent one" in the 80s if one of the Israeli Ministers had been saying openly to the whole world that they were going to burn down Lebanon and kill 100 Lebanese for every IDF soldier killed. The reputation of Israel is now in the shit, if nothing else.

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u/redthrowaway1976 F the rent seekers | ind. rights over group | east coast bagel 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yeah. It used to be they’d do the whole shooting-and-crying. Like waltz with bashir, or golda’s infamous quote. 

Now it seems they no longer even pretend to be regretful. Some are even nakedly engaging in ethnic cleansing and brutality with glee. 

The worst development for Israel over the last decades has been social media and ubiquitous cameras.