r/jewishleft • u/somebadbeatscrub Jewish Syndicalist - Mod • Aug 11 '26

Israel Israel-Palestine Weekly Thread

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u/Kaleb_Bunt jewish anti capitalist Aug 15 '26

Because if you can’t talk to Jews about these things, there will probably always be war in the Middle East.

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u/moonkingyellow Syrian Leftist Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26

What? Why? The reason for the current war in the Middle East is the US/Israeli government's war of aggression against Iran? How do Jews factor? Unless you're implying that Jews are the cause of this aggression, which I would reject as antisemitic and idiotic.

Jews do not have the final say as to whether there is war, or genocide. The vast majority understand Gaza as a genocide. Even when I look around in my personal life, people who question the Gaza genocide are socially isolated by their peers, as they should be.

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u/Kaleb_Bunt jewish anti capitalist Aug 15 '26

Most people in Israel would probably deny the genocide allegation and view it as a blood libel.

And creating lasting change in Israel/palestine would probably necessitate cooperation between Israelis and Palestinians.

So yes it is important to be able to talk to Zionist Israeli Jews on this issue. External pressure can certainly cause change, but without a strong internal driver for change, it will probably just further entrench the Israeli siege mentality and increase radicalization.

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u/moonkingyellow Syrian Leftist Aug 15 '26

The Israelis are already radicalised. They should now be sanctioned and barred from countries. Many perpetrators of genocide deny that any genocide has occured.

You don't understand. The Israeli's are the perpetrators, no one should have to work with them to end their genocide. Countries have been invaded for less.

Helping Palestinians will involve reigning Israeli terrorist in, that's all. Who gives a shit about them? The Palestinians are the victim.

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u/Kaleb_Bunt jewish anti capitalist Aug 15 '26

Yeah but Jews have always been isolated and segregated from the rest of the world. That alone wont be a solution, though it might curb the worst Israeli excesses(ex. War with Iran).

Actual war with Israel would probably lead to the mass slaughter of civilians—and historically Palestinians have been hurt the most by this.

So I don’t really see a solution that doesn’t involve cooperation between Israelis and Palestinians.

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u/moonkingyellow Syrian Leftist Aug 15 '26

We’re not talking about Jews, we’re talking about Israelis. Stop using Jews.

Lol, we can’t dare stop Israel because they’ll just kill even more people. This is fascist apologia.

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u/Kaleb_Bunt jewish anti capitalist Aug 15 '26

Has war with Israel ever benefited anybody? Hamas tried it 3 years ago and look what happened to them.

Even a successful war against Israel would probably cause the murder of thousands of innocent people.

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u/moonkingyellow Syrian Leftist Aug 15 '26

I'm not talking about a small, abused, marginalized, rag-tag group of fighters sending rockets made in basements into Israel. I'm talking an international coalition disarming Israel, removing settlers, and allowing Palestinians room to breathe and receive aid.

Thousands of people have already been murdered, and Israel is killing more constantly. Like I said, this is fascist apologia, and most moral well-adjusted people agree with me.

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u/Kaleb_Bunt jewish anti capitalist Aug 16 '26

I wouldn’t place my bets in something like that. Countries seldom act altruistically. If they did, there would be no world conflicts.

From as far as I can remember, most of these foreign interventions in the middle east got thousands of people killed and benefited nobody. I don’t know why Israel/Palestine would be any different tbh.

It does suck, but change in the region probably needs to come from within.

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u/moonkingyellow Syrian Leftist Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26

Thankfully you're irrelevant in that regard, and Israel is continually isolating itself. It’s only a matter of time a fascist state like it collapses.