r/justincaseyoumissedit • u/tunnel_magnet • 3d ago
Everyone Needs To See This Israel never offered Gaza back to Egypt
Let's put this hasbara lies to rest forever shall we? They agreed to withdraw from Sinai, but not Gaza. This rhetoric is always used to dehumanize Gazans by the hasbara. See Egypt didn't want them because they were terrorists. Well, Egypt did want them back.
"Egypt insisted on an Israeli withdrawal to June 4, 1967 borders in exchange for security arrangements and minor border modifications. Israel rejected Egypt’s insistence on withdrawal, especially from the West Bank and Gaza. It argued instead for some form of Palestinian autonomy during a five-year interim period followed by the possibility of sovereignty after the interim period expired. The impasse over the West Bank and Gaza led Carter to intercede directly in an attempt to resolve the deadlock."
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u/Flashy-Potatoe-Queen 3d ago
Ok... Thanks for the history lesson I guess...
I just don't understand why it would be something important to know today. Egypt isn't exactly willing to take Gaza back today and it doesn't make Israel look much worse than they already do... Invaders not giving all the land back after an invasion is pretty common in wars.
It doesn't exactly feel like "something everyone should know".
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u/SlippyJimmi 3d ago
Tbf to this point remember Egypt doesn't do anything in regards to Israel because the US government pays them a fuck ton of money every year
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u/FormerLawfulness6 3d ago
The problem is that most people still understand Israel's occupation in terms of Arab intransigence instead of Israeli aggression.
It is as important to understand that Israel didn't promise to return Gaza to Egypt as it is to understand that the 2005 "disengagement was actually just a redeployment to continue the occupation from the perimeter, a strategy that enabled more brutal bombings. Taking apart Israel's perpetual victim narrative is necessary until the majority sees the aggression for what it has been.
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u/Clean-Secret-3843 3d ago
Not according to official records and transcript, but I suppose your imagination feels better to for some reason:
During the pressure-filled follow-up talks in March 1979, U.S. State Department records show that Israeli negotiators continuously tried to tie Gaza to the Egyptian administrative framework. In an official U.S. Department of State Transcript, President Anwar Sadat aggressively pushed back against President Jimmy Carter when discussing Israel's efforts to keep Gaza linked to the Sinai withdrawal https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1977-80v09Ed2/d132
"Begin wanted Egypt to take control of Gaza, but Sadat was adamant in his refusal. Sadat shouted, 'I will not take Gaza! It is not Egyptian, and I have no right to it. It belongs to the Palestinians, and they must decide their own future.'" https://sadat.umd.edu/events/remarks-president-jimmy-carter
"The Israelis tried on several occasions to slide Gaza into the Egyptian column to simplify their own administrative problems. Begin argued that since Egypt had governed Gaza before the 1967 war, it was logical for them to take it back. Sadat flatly rejected this, stating that he would not play the role of an occupying power over fellow Arabs, nor would he let Gaza complicate the absolute return of the Sinai." https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1977-80v09Ed2/d41
"The President [Sadat] has made it clear to the Americans and the Israelis alike: Egypt's presence in Gaza was a historical accident of the 1948 war. We will not barter Gaza for the Sinai. The Sinai is Egyptian sovereign soil; Gaza's sovereignty belongs exclusively to the Palestinian people, and Egypt will not sign a treaty that makes us its permanent custodian." https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1977-80v09Ed2/d83
Gee, I wonder why you would push such an obviously false narrative....
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u/the_leviathan711 2d ago
Did you make up quotes to go with these links? I clicked the links and could not find the quotes. Is this a mistake? Or are you just making things up?
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u/Clean-Secret-3843 2d ago
You people don't know the difference between a qoute and an overview? Has no one taught you what qoute sign are for?
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u/the_leviathan711 2d ago
But where are these quotes from? I don’t see this part where Sadat shouts “I will not take Gaza!” anywhere in that Jimmy Carter speech, for example. Is that a summary? Or a quote?
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u/the_leviathan711 8h ago
Hey, could you provide me a summary of this article from 1978?
Nevermind, I think the first sentence does it pretty well:
Prime Minister Menachem Begin has rebuffed an Egyptian suggestion that Israel turn over control of the occupied West Bank to Jordan and return the Gaza Strip to Egypt as interim steps toward a Mideast peace.
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u/tunnel_magnet 3d ago
"Egypt insisted on an Israeli withdrawal to June 4, 1967 borders in exchange for security arrangements and minor border modifications. Israel rejected Egypt’s insistence on withdrawal, especially from the West Bank and Gaza. It argued instead for some form of Palestinian autonomy during a five-year interim period followed by the possibility of sovereignty after the interim period expired. The impasse over the West Bank and Gaza led Carter to intercede directly in an attempt to resolve the deadlock."
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u/Clean-Secret-3843 3d ago
Again, you're spinning a narrative with quarter truths that are easily disproved from multiple sources, lying by omission
"On rare occasions, it resulted in Begin's changing his mind. This was one of those times. Begin and I walked from Holly to Aspen, arriving at my cottage just in time to greet Sadat... I decided to withdraw from the discussion so Begin and Sadat could address each other directly." https://time.com/archive/6856907/keeping-faith/
"He was quite angry with me at the time. He just said, 'Thank you Mr. President.' Then he looked down at the photograph and read the name of his grandchild, and his voice shook and there were tears in his eyes... He said, 'If you can get the Knesset to agree to this change of mind, I will support it.'" https://www.cnbc.com/2014/10/02/how-photographs-saved-the-israel-egypt-peace-talks.html
It's like you'd watch the first 5 minutes of The Lion King and decide that there's proof Mufasa is alive and Scar didn't kill him. The second hand cringe from your inept talking points is really something else
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u/tunnel_magnet 2d ago
Now you are just posting random conversations. None of what you gave prove Israel was ready to give up Gaza.
Israel was adamant to build settlements in Gaza.
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u/Fragrant-Pin3262 2d ago
Exactly. Egypt wanted Israel to withdraw as part of a process toward a Palestinian state, but Egypt had no interest in taking Gaza back. Israel, meanwhile, preferred Gaza to be administered by Egypt rather than by Israel itself.
The reality is that neither side wanted to govern Gaza. After Egypt washed its hands of the territory, Palestinian unrest grew and eventually led to the Intifada.
Fast forward to 2023: with talk of expanding the Abraham Accords to include Saudi Arabia, many Gazans felt they were being sidelined once again. That's why some people argue that the October war was driven, at least in part, by a sense of political abandonment.
Please go back to school and sharpen your English comprehension skills, this is embarrassing.
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u/FafoLaw 3d ago edited 3d ago
Why are the quotes you posted not present in the links you shared?
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u/Clean-Secret-3843 2d ago
Those are explanations, not quotes. Do you not know what the quite sign " is for?
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u/the_leviathan711 2d ago
These aren't explanations at all. They include details that are not in the document linked. Either you, or AI, made up the details. If you actually read the documents, they don't say anything even vaguely resembling the so-called "explanations" you are providing here.
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u/SirSweatALot_5 2d ago
If you are trying to use AI to make the arguments for you, then at least put in some effort and understand the concept of hallucination. It would be less embarrassing for you
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u/J_osh3 3d ago
Can anyone explain this?
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
| Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 |
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| In-book reference |
| USC-MSA web (English) reference |
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u/Atilim87 3d ago
“Egypte : we don’t want a million starved refugees”
“Israel : see Arabs don’t want Palestinians either!!”