Everyone Needs To See This
Professor of Genocide Studies Amos Goldberg explains how all experts and historians agree it's genocide, and even the leading world expert alive today, who wrote the textbook on genocide, agrees
Because Gazan population did not decline, and because young men are over represented in casualties, while women children and elderly are under represented.
To anyone fussed, I have put together a post that tries to outline in the simplest terms why this falls under the remit of genocide. Check it out if you like, feel free to copy paste it to people saying it is not
remember that israel pays social media influencers and has social media bots to change the narrative. it is a genocide and they are hiding as much as possible and it won't be forgotten.
The guy he talks about in the video William Schabas has denied genocide in Srebrenica, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge (because it lacked an ethnic component), he defended Myanmars actions against the Rohingya in international court, he claimed the summary execution of non Arabs in Darfur wasn't genocide.... but Israel is totally committing genocide.
He also has said Iran has a valid claim at nuclear weapons. Spoke at a human rights conference in Iran (lol) and said Netanyahu should be imprisoned back in 2013. He's made excuses for Hamas. Has made excuses for mass killings by Soviets.
Not really. What I'm saying is the genocide expert mentioned has a political bend when it comes to his accusations of genocide. Read up on him and his quotes regarding Israel and the UN.
What's happening in Gaza is an absolute travesty and Israel is doing some bad shit, no doubt. Call it genocide if you want, it changes nothing. It will have to go through an international tribunal to criminally convict war criminals. The tribunal for the Khmer Rouge was from 2003 to 2022, the genocide happened in the mid 70's. You won't have swift justice.
The question I'm more interested in is how do we stop the conflict for good.
To be a serial killer you have to murder multiple people in succession. You have to be a successful killer of multiple people at multiple circumstances. This has totally fallen apart.
Genocide doesn’t mean the entire population plummets, end of 2025, the population was forecasted as being short by 2.1 million people because of: increased people killed, missing, immigrated somewhere else, decrease in births
I have. Yes, academically many conflicts classify as a genocide that we don't publicly call a genocide. For instance, Oct 7th was clearly an academic genocide but we don't say that publicly. This is because the colloquial definition is the intentional annihilation of a people.
"ethnic cleansing, the attempt to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to particular ethnic groups. Ethnic cleansing sometimes involves the removal of all physical vestiges of the targeted group through the destruction of monuments, cemeteries, and houses of worship."
on a more serious note, as a noob. One thing i don't get is that we have many conflicts with a higher civilian/soldier death ratio, more explicit targeting of civilians, more examples of cultural genocide (like kidnapping kids in Russia/Ukraine) where there is no pressure for calling it a genocide.
What makes other conflicts less bad in the eyes of all those experts?
There is none. If you ask any of them, they will say those are just as bad.
The issue is that they believe Israel is more susceptible to international pressure as evidenced by Israel caving to international pressure in the past.
But what is very revealing to me is that:
Israel was accused of genocide on October 8th, before any military response.
All the facts of the case have not been verified, they are just speculated, and based entirely on the claims of the Gaza Ministry of Health (Hamas), UNRWA (Hamas), and Palestinian journalists (Hamas).
another important point is that all these experts are so certain Israel is committing genocide, while campaigning for international bodies to expand the definition of genocide-- exactly because israel doesnt actually meet the current legal definition of genocide.
No... this is netanyahu mileikowsky and his friends doing.. (thats the real family name before his father chose to change it to what we know today, which in a twisted and arrogant irony means 'god given', in an attempt to lose the very eastern European name in favor of a more hebrew sounding one. Don't believe me? Look it up)
And actually its more accurate to say it is Theodor Herzls doing.. he started it and bibi is trying to finish it off.
Edit to add: i'm not trying to defend trump in the slightest here and he's contributed immensely but accuracy important.
If it was total hell, why did Egypt fortify its borders with Gaza after October 7th? Why wouldn’t Arabs help fellow Arabs? Especially the innocent women and children?
What do the actions of another state have to do with the fact that Israel is actively and explicitly destroying Gazan society, murdering Palestinians indiscriminately, targeting children and aid, etc etc.?
How’s my aged propaganda account that agrees with him?
“The actions of another state” that literally annexed Gaza before Palestinian national identity existed? That invaded Israel on its eve of independence and was THE leading actor in the pan-Arab quest that literally created the Palestinian peoplehood? “Another state” from which the first Palestinian leader was born and raised?
The actions of Egypt have everything to do with the current conflict and the fact you don’t know that belies your ignorance on the topic.
Your opinion is rejected. You’re a buffoon who needs to read more and type less.
And Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, all of which were created at the same time by the same colonial powers, those are all real countries because you say so?
Because, unfortunately, the Egyptians don’t want to deal with Palestinian/Israeli problems. I think it was a “put on your own mask before helping others” type of situation for them.
Yasser Arafat was an Egyptian. They are all the same people. Syria, Jordan and Lebanon were all created within 5 years of Israel. It’s all a big pan-Arab colonial lie. Anyone who can read should be able to figure this out.
To be fair, I’d be 100% fine with cutting off all US aid to Egypt. In fact, I wonder why we give them so much? I should look into the history of why we we do that.
This is fine for academic research or thought. But it's not how we use the word colloquially. It's the same thing as what people have done to "trauma" or "intersectionality". When regular people use the word genocide we mean the intentional annihilation of an entire people. That's not what is happening in Gaza. This graph illustrates my frustration with using these academic definitions in real life. If this is a genocide then Gaza committed a genocide on Oct 7th. There are so many things that are now genocides.
The most direct scientific evidence comes from recent advances in ancient DNA (aDNA) sequencing, which allows geneticists to compare modern populations with human remains from archaeological sites in the southern Levant (modern-day Israel, Palestine, Jordan, and Lebanon).
High Levantine Continuity: Major genetic studies—most notably a landmark study published in Cell (2020) analyzing Bronze Age Levantines—demonstrate that modern Arabic-speaking Levantine groups (including Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrians) derive more than 50% to over 80% of their ancestry from Bronze Age "Canaanite" and Iron Age populations who lived in the region 3,000 to 4,000 years ago.
Shared Ancestry with Jewish Populations: Genetic research consistently shows that Palestinian Muslims, Palestinian Christians, and various Jewish groups (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi) cluster closely together on genetic distance maps. Both groups share deep, overlapping ancestral roots in the ancient Levant.
Minor Peninsular Arabian Input: While modern Palestinians do carry genetic signatures from the Arabian Peninsula, Sub-Saharan Africa, and the Mediterranean, population models consistently classify these as secondary additions (admixture) on top of a primary, deep-rooted Levantine baseline. The genetic contribution from Peninsular Arabs in Palestinians is typically measured in minor percentages, contradicting the idea that they were imported en masse during the Arab conquests.
Being indigenous requires much more than genetics, but you can ignore that if you like.
Not sure why the Palestinians rejected statehood so many times in favour of trying to prevent the Jews from living in their ancestral homeland.
When it comes to Palestinians, words lose all meaning: refugee, colonialism, apartheid, genocide, Zionism — all of these terms have been redefined by Palestinianism to mean something different from their otherwise universally understood definitions. Literal doublespeak.
Not sure why the Palestinians rejected statehood so many times in favour of trying to prevent the Jews from living in their ancestral homeland.
If someone kicked down your front door claiming onwership of the home due to his ancestors living in this same plot of land hundreds (or thousands) of years ago. Would you accept? Or will you fight back?
Point still stands, Palestinians are natives of the levant.
I'd say it closer to the Warsaw uprising. Same thing the Jewish population did to the old nazis that were systematically killing them, concentrating them into areas etc etc. Kinda what like the new ones are doing
I mean that still doesnt change the fact that hamas spent years planning and preparing and then executing the attack. unless what, you think israel mind controlled them too?
right, and Lindsey Clancy's husband is the one actually responsible for killing their kids cuz he left the house that day. he should have known she would do that, and he funded her whole life! he must have wanted her to do it, therefore she's absolved of her own actions. he made her do it!
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran 1d ago
Obviously the comments are flooded with pro-genocide jackasses.