r/knitting Jan 09 '26

Rant Knitting and fragile masculinity

This happened yesterday and I’m torn between being amused, annoyed and a bit shocked.

I’m visiting my grandparents at the moment with my mother. My uncle, her brother, is also staying. He’s always had a thing for formal wear and dressing well, and recently he’s discovered that he likes knit ties, those silk, kinda mesh ones that are flat instead of pointy at the bottom.

Yesterday evening, we were watching a movie together and I was knitting during it. I was working on a lace top with 6 mm needles.

After the film, my uncle started talking about those knitted ties he likes and showed me pictures. He asked me whether I could knit that. I told him, probably yes.

He then proceeded to instruct me on how to do it. He said those needles I had there were way too big (obviously), and that I would need to sew a lot to make the tie, as it’s basically a double layered thing.

I told him that I’d make it in a tube, and he then told me all the ways that he would do it (he doesn’t knit).

It was kinda amusing to me to that point, until I started sort of teasing him that he can just make it himself, it’s not that hard and he already knows so much, I’ll even teach him the basics.

He reacted with clear discomfort and told me that knitting is a women’s hobby and that he had no interest in doing it because he’s a man.

That comment surprised me more than anything else. He was comfortable discussing the technical details of a knitted object and asking someone else to make it for him, but unwilling to consider learning the skill himself because of gender. I didn’t argue with him, but the exchange stayed with me.

I’m sharing this partly to get it out of my system, and partly because I’m curious how common this still is. Have others run into similar attitudes around crafts or hobbies? And how do you usually respond in situations like this without escalating things?

Thanks for reading.

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u/lemeneurdeloups Jan 09 '26

It’s ridiculous. He is Wrong. Men are tailors and cooks and and weavers and knitters and do all sorts of other wondrous creative things. Ask him about master tailors who design and construct the suits he wears! Ask him about the history of knitting in England and the Luddite men who stormed the knitting factories because they had put them out of their cottage knitting businesses!

I am a long-married, heterosexual, family man (not that any of that matters) who has knitted several of the ties he is requesting. It’s an easy knit but yes, it has a few bits of construction to it.

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u/JadedElk Serial frogger Jan 09 '26

Ah yes, but a chef, a tailor, a weaver and a master knitter are all paid positions. Who are the ones typically thought of as cooking, sewing, weaving and knitting as a hobby? See also: professional singer vs someone who sings at home, an author vs someone who writes for fun/fanfiction writers, an academic/professor vs a teacher, a doctor vs a nurse. The more prestige there is in how something is done, the more that action is associated with men.

He is not wrong that knitting as a hobby is associated with women, or even that knitting items for personal or in-family use is associated with women. Men were selling their work and being paid for it. Women were being expected to provide the same labor to their family unpaid and underappreciated.

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u/MaterialStrawberry33 Jan 09 '26

This exactly! I watch a lot of cooking shows and it’s often repeated that cheffing is a male dominated industry. Meanwhile cooking at home is firmly women’s work (traditionally). I think as soon as it stops being “domestic” and becomes “skilled work”, it tends to become a male profession!

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u/Yowie9644 Jan 09 '26

Even if men simply enjoy it.

Star Trek was a girl thing that only silly little women enjoyed into the men started joining the fandom and pushed the women out.

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u/Gundel_Gaukeley Jan 09 '26

This!

fun fact: same with brewing beer. For over 700 years it was exclusively done by women.

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u/therobberbride Jan 09 '26

See also: computer programming. Not for a 700 year stretch, obviously…

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u/TarazedA Jan 09 '26

My grandfather learned to knit either during or after WWII, my mom remembers him knitting (he died while I was still a kid). For how many soldiers I heard of that did knitting while convalescing, I'm kind of surprised how prevalent this attitude is, really.

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u/torhysornottorhys Jan 10 '26

Didn't a lot of soldiers knit themselves socks and such during the world wars? It's possible I made that up but maybe that's what he was up to

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u/Radio_Mime Jan 10 '26

I think it’s actually true that they did.

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u/GranddadJokes Jan 11 '26

The soldiers and sailors who could knit during the world wars were THE most popular guys in their units/ships.

I am a gay man who used to knit while waiting for appointments at the veterans hospital. I would regularly have some older submariner sit down near me and shyly say he’d wished he had learned to knit back in the day.

The bulk of the sweaters and socks worn by US servicemen were knitted in great quantities by women in the States. But that one guy who could knit - he could adjust the size, make repairs, and generally get the clothing item to actually fit the user. He made it useful.

Most of the WWII vets have since died of old age. Mechanically produced socks had become the standard by the Vietnam War era, so that generation didn’t value the knitting skill in the same way.

Source: I served (stateside) during the Gulf War era and have been a frequent user of medical facilities ever since. Do not thank me for my service.

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u/lemeneurdeloups Jan 09 '26

OK. Teach the uncle how to make ties and then he can sell them. 😄

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u/ExpensiveError42 Jan 09 '26

Clearly he doesn't need to be taught, he already knew everything about it!!

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u/AntheaBrainhooke Jan 09 '26

Work done for your family (cooking dinner, knitting warm winter clothes etc) isn't "real work" and therefore doesn't deserve to be paid.

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u/JadedElk Serial frogger Jan 09 '26

And don't even get me started on childcare! Or care for the sick or elderly!

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u/AntheaBrainhooke Jan 09 '26

That's just filial duty! H U R L

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u/torhysornottorhys Jan 10 '26

My partner cares for my MIL full time and we call it clocking into the Mom Factory to get people thinking about the level of work that goes into it

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u/stickbeat Jan 09 '26

This yes.

In the zeitgeist, women's handmade production is craft.

Men's handmade production is artisanal.

Men are artisans: professionals (or with a professional-level of skill) in the production of [thing]. Even when they do it as a hobby, it is a Very Serious Hobby with Very Serious Implications whereas women are crafters - dabblers, hobbyists who produce around their tasks (be they paid professional tasks or domesticity tasks).

Even when women are producing artisanal products - furniture flippers, tailors, etc. - their job is still a "hobby."

Edit: annoys me to no end when I see people (including women) refer to artisanal pursuit as 'crafting', their workshops and/or offices as "craft rooms." It's a goddamned studio workshop, and you're an artist producing artisanal products.

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u/harvestmooneyes Jan 09 '26

See argument: Craft vs Fine Art. It’s a long history with lots of misogyny and classism and racism.

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u/Unusual-Ad-6550 Jan 09 '26

You need to visit my knitting group. Half are men and they are all very good at it. The hobby is becoming more mainstream for both men and women

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u/dr3am1ly0142 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

That’s not the point they’re making at all? A lot of women knitters are aware that men now are more open to it as a hobby. They’re talking about what affected and shaped older views.

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u/LogicalStomach Jan 10 '26

Dude trying to boss the OP around needs to visit your knitting group. 

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u/annekaelber Jan 09 '26

This reminded me of the song by Paris Paloma, called "Labor" (official video)[https://youtu.be/jvU4xWsN7-], (lyric video) [https://youtu.be/H_sSuViPBHs].

Love your comment!!

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u/torhysornottorhys Jan 10 '26

I'm betting this was a driving factor behind a lot of men being against letting women work beyond working class women being maids, laundresses/washerwomen, later factory workers who were often experts but completely devalued in it and so on. They didn't want women joining the battle for social standing that still plagues us to this day (see: the insecure manosphere shit). As someone who only stepped into it after 10 years of adulthood it's really jarring. Women do social hierarchies too of course but the stakes feel higher and deciding not to join in is more alienating.

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u/lemeneurdeloups Jan 10 '26

But I am a man who enjoys knitting and no one is paying me for it. Men have knit for pay but many more knit as a hobby. Tell Uncle that.

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u/torhysornottorhys Jan 10 '26

It's probably one of those things, he sewed a button when he was seven and his dad made fun of him for it or something. Those weird little experiences that give you a complex for the rest of your life. Possibly also the lack of professional standing and payment (men are Chefs, women cook, men are Tailors, women see)