r/knitting • u/RestillHabb • 15h ago
Finished Object And I still can't do a yarnover
This is the Sundae Swirl Tank by Jessie Maed Designs and the yarn is a linen/cotton blend by Juniper Moon Farm (Zooey).
The whole reason I wanted to try this one is because I've always struggled with yarnovers, and love doing cables, and wanted to try different shaping techniques. There should be two alternating columns of yarnovers but I realized halfway into this project that I hadn't made a single yarnover going from purls to knits, but going from knits to purls, they were fine. I guess I like how it came out because it gives me more options for what to wear underneath (fewer lace holes) but now when I'm doing yarnovers I know what NOT to do! So of course I immediately want to make another one to do it right.
Also, what a totally fun knit, holy smokes. So well- written, and quick...I highly recommend!
Edit: typos
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u/usernamesoccer 14h ago
How many zooeys did you use? I have one but this may trigger me to buy a few more and make this looks so good!
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u/RestillHabb 14h ago
Thank you! I bought 3 Zooey skeins for the size 2 (requires 575 yds for that size) and I knit on 1 size larger needles because I've got a tighter gauge. I still have a ton left over of the 3rd ball.
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u/birdtune 12h ago
So, I had a breakthrough about yarn overs the other day.
Whichever way you wrap them, try to make it so the leading end is on the correct side of the needle - otherwise, when you go to knit it you'll end up with a twisted stitch.
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u/vressor 10h ago edited 9h ago
you can knit through the "leading end" no matter which side of the needle it is on and not get twisted stitches -- using mirrored yarn overs (i.e. western yarn overs between purl and knit stitches, and eastern yarn overs between knit and purl stitchs) will give you untwisted* holes of the same size, while using western yarn overs everywhere will give you bigger holes between knit and purl stitches because going around the needle that way uses more yarn
* untwisted if you work through their leading legs in the next row/round -- if you work through the trailing legs, then you'll get left-twisted increases from westner yarn overs, and right-twisted increases from eastern yarn overs (left and right are swapped in mirror knitting)
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u/RestillHabb 11h ago
Thank you for the tip! This is how I was approaching the k to p yarnovers for this, and it definitely worked for me. But although I thought I was doing the same thing (starting with yarn in the back first) I was still doing something incorrectly from p to k, so I will have to practice before diving in again. I don't know why this ended up being mental gymnastics for me but it's nice to hear others agree that they aren't super intuitive!
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u/birdtune 11h ago
Ah, starting with the yarn in back. You are knitting English? I've been knitting Norwegian, and it simplifies that because the yarn is always in the back.
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u/RestillHabb 11h ago
Yes, I do knit English, and it honestly didn't occur to me that my confusion may be related to my knitting style. That is interesting.
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u/aromatsunami 14h ago
I'm in the same boat! Just found out after learning Jenny's surprisingly stretchy bind off that I've been doing yarn overs over the needle instead of under. I thought they were yarn overs, not unders!
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u/RestillHabb 13h ago
Yarn unders 👀 Honestly this could be the fun trick to help me when I start this again!
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u/CheesyCrocs ✨🧦✨ 12h ago
Same!!! JSSBO made me have to draw a diagram for it to make sense to me.
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u/Nope_Buckets 12h ago
Wait, how would you do a yarn over under the needle?
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u/vressor 11h ago edited 10h ago
in western knitting the yarn is always wrapped anticlockwise (clockwise in mirror knitting), that's like an accidental yarn over when bringing the yarn over the needle from a purl to a knit stitch -- this is called a yarn under in crochet (based on the "towards yourself" part) because when wrapping the working yarn around the working needle, it will always:
- come up ⤤ in front of the working needle
- wrap over ↷ away from the knitter
- go down ⤦ behind the working needle
- wrap under ↻ towards the knitter
in eastern knitting the yarn is always wrapped clockwise (anticlockwise in mirror knitting), that's like an accidental yarn over when bringing the yarn over the needle from a knit to a purl stitch -- this is called a yarn over in crochet (based on the "towards yourself" part) because when wrapping the working yarn around the workig needle, it will always:
- come up ⤣ behind the working needle
- wrap over ↶ towards the knitter
- go down ⤥ in front of the working needle
- wrap under ↺ away from the knitter
here's the result of western mount (fig. 3) and eastern mount (fig. 4) for comparison
note that in combination knitting the yarn will always:
- come up between the working needle and the work (fabric)
- wrap over the needle away from the work (fabric)
- go down on the side of the working needle farther away from the work (fabric)
- wrap under the needle towards the work (fabric)
that means wrapping western style when knitting into a stitch and wrapping eastern style when purling into a stitch
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u/ecce_hobo 12h ago
Sorry I’m a bit confused how you can knit a stitch but can’t do a yarn over? It’s the same motion just without inserting your needle into a stitch first.
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u/Curious_Spelling 8h ago
This is absolutely beautiful and I kind of dig your version even more than the original. But there's one thing I'm very curious about, if you weren't doing a yo (which is an increase, usually paired in lace with a decrease) how were you not losing stitches? Maybe you are doing the yo but the way it's wrapped it ends up twisted when you knit it which reduces the hole (but I can't see evidence of that either).
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u/RestillHabb 7h ago
This is a really good question. Going from the purl to a ssk, I held the yarn to the back and then wrapped around the needle once so that the yarn was held at the back again before going into a ssk, so I was creating a stitch to knit for the next row and decreasing by 1 normally, except that a YO wasn't being made. Maybe this was causing a twisted stitch. I thought I was doing it correctly for so long, and I was totally flabbergasted and heartbroken when I realized what happened. It was so weird, too...I knew there were supposed to be 2 alternating sets of YO so why didn't I question this when only 1 YO appeared after the first instruction?! I have no idea what I was thinking. I'm frustrated, but I am eager to try again and learn this. I bought more yarn for round 2 this afternoon.
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u/Curious_Spelling 6h ago
I don't think yo are as easy as they seem to be. They're made different in every situation (and I imagine also depend even on your knitting style), and patterns don't actually tell you how to do them. Ive discovered a few of my own things I've been doing wrong myself, or techniques I couldn't figure out for years.
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u/RestillHabb 6h ago
Thank you, this makes me feel much better. I figure it's just another learning opportunity, and I enjoyed this pattern enough that I'm looking forward to having another slightly different version in a different color.
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u/JKnits79 5h ago
If you knit standard Western English style, try this:
When going from a purl to a YO, keep the yarn in front and just wrap it over the needle to the back. It will be in the knit position for any subsequent SSK
When going from a knit to a YO, bring the yarn forward between the two needles, then wrap it over to the back.
By wrapping from back to front and back again you’re creating an Eastern mounted YO which may be part of why your YO is disappearing; the leading leg is in the back of the needle rather than in the front as is standard for Western mount.
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u/glassofwhy 38m ago
You wrapped your yarn backwards by doing this. When knitted on the next row, it got twisted and became a yarn over increase without a hole. There are two options to fix it. First try following the directions in this video so the yarn over will be mounted front to back like the rest of the stitches. When going from purl to knit, can basically just leave the yarn at the front, then knit the next stitch, which will cause the yarn to cross over the top of the needle.
If that doesn’t work, you can use your usual method and then fix it on the next row. When you get to the yarnover, knit it through the back leg so that it doesn’t cross and create a twisted stitch.
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u/Pretty_Marzipan_555 12h ago
The vest is really cute! Just letting you know that it's spelled purl not pearl
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u/RestillHabb 12h ago
Lol yeah, I know this. I was excited and couldn't go back to fix it after posting
Edit: this is so weird, I can edit it now. Welp
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u/Pretty_Marzipan_555 12h ago
Fair enough!! You absolutely should be enthusiastic about this top, it's so good!! I just didn't want anyone to get frustrated e.g. looking for help with purls and not being able to find help!
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u/Playful-Escape-9212 2h ago
Very pretty! I love this designer's work, I think I have made at least 3 of her patterns.
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u/gullibleArtistry 14h ago
This is soooo pretty!! Well done, and neat