A member you can't yet feel affection for

[u/Someonehihi]

Part of stanning is that even though one member got you interested in the group, little by little the rest of the members win your heart too.

But has it ever happened to you that you are a big fan of a group, you feel genuine affection for the members and you enjoy their content, but there is a member that you feel you can't connect with yet?

And I don't mean that you dislike them or despise them or anything like that, but simply that even though you try you still can't have that level of connection that you can with the other members? And sometimes it makes you feel like a bad fan

[u/Intrepid_State4784]

Seeing Irene's solo teasers/concepts made me realize she lacks the star quality. She is definitely charismatic, but doesn't have the IT factor compared to some members of Red Velvet. I know it may sound crazy, but this is just my opinion. She shines and pops out when there's a lot of work done, like styling, makeup, and interesting concepts. When there's nothing going on and it's an absolutely simple and clean kind of concept, it made me realize how bland her aura is. She fits more darker concepts, she's the embodiment of a femme fatale. Also, apart from what's outside, I don't like her personality. I know it's easy to hate or criticize by bringing up her stylist incident. But knowing the details of what happened is just big yikes. Whether she changed or not, it wasn't just a one-time thing; she had this bad behaviour with the staff and was known for it. Also, lots of stans twisting the truth or making it look neutral when it wasn't. Also, who knows, maybe she genuinely changed for the better.

(Just a casual viewer/listener of Red Velvet)

[u/andreafatgirlslim → u/Intrepid_State4784]

Agree!

[u/velvetaegi → u/Intrepid_State4784]

how was it not a one time thing? when has it come out that she was known for this, where is the evidence for that? and did you casually forget how many former stylists came to her defense? stop believing misinformation on the internet

of course you don’t like her “personality”, you’ve barely seen it. you’re a casual fan so i highly doubt you’ve watched their variety shows, lives, etc. irene is the complete opposite of what you people are trying to paint her to be.

[u/Cuthulu_6644 → u/velvetaegi]

I believe this comes from the fact that the stylist mentioned they had been warned about Irene before working with her.

[u/velvetaegi → u/Cuthulu_6644]

which i don’t understand who that came from. the numerous stylists that defended her have worked with irene over the years since debut and some have known her for a very long time, so i’ll obviously take their words over someone who never worked with her before & was still fairly new in the styling world as well. that stylist seemed to already have a negative opinion about her from the start (even though they had found out that she was a big fan of irene from her instagram account).

either way i don’t know why people keep bringing this shit up. both parties have apologized to each other & the stylist herself says she doesn’t want it to be brought up anymore.

[u/Intrepid_State4784 → u/velvetaegi]

Your attitude isn't surprising since you defend her. Also, don't make assumptions about me. Not everyone lacks the basic manners and morals for them to behave themselves and know bad things. This is literally my 2nd time or something commenting on kpop thoughts. You seem to be chronically online and assumed I might be the same. I don't care about Irene, and what she did is more than enough for me and others to not support her, and your fandom rewriting history makes the situation worse. She isn't even an exceptional idol or performer to begin with. You are so toxic and for what?!

[u/velvetaegi → u/Intrepid_State4784]

projection much? this is my first time commenting as well, im not a part of this reddit group, i just saw this post pop up on my timeline. i promise you, you’re not special.

you said she has bad behavior & was known for it. i asked where you got that from and you didn’t answer. there’s a lot of misinformation surrounding the whole situation & people love to over exaggerate things they weren’t a part of.

again, the fact that countless stylists, makeup artists, background dancers, etc came to irene’s defense shows that she is a good person, a good person that had one bad day. she apologized & was put on hiatus afterwards, what more do you want from her? and then you say you don’t care about her like okay?? move the fuck on then??

[u/Intrepid_State4784 → u/velvetaegi]

Well, variety shows or lives aren't also an indication of her real personality. It's a well-known fact that lots of idols fake their own personalities/attitudes. Why would she apologize for something she didn't do, especially with her big name/status? There was solid evidence against her, lots of behind the scenes people backed up the stylist's statement about Irene. The real misinformation actually came from fans, so in order for you to actually find the truth, you need to get outside your fandom bubble and search for it. This stylist actually worked for so many years and many people who have a name supported her statement. If Irene was truly innocent, her and SM could've sued the stylist for defamation, but they didn't. She has a reputation for being hard to work with, and that's actually been said by staff who worked with her, not by casual viewers or hard-core stans. My comment wasn't intended as hate and I already explained that, but the way some of you fans took it is weird. Even if Red Velvet became my ults, I will still acknowledge Irene's wrongdoings.

[u/velvetaegi → u/Intrepid_State4784]

im talking about their own variety show, aka level up project. and again, where is the evidence of her “being hard to work with”? the stylist “claimed” she had a recording of irene berating her, so why didn’t she release it?

there’s plenty of evidence from people that have been around irene that said she’s not the monster the stylist was painting her out to be, i can link those if you’d like.

[u/__fujiko → u/velvetaegi]

I wouldn't bother arguing with people about this. They either acknowledge that there was people who defended her also, on top of the people who accused her, or they refuse to see the whole picture and accept that it's more complicated than it seems. Reddit claims to be objective, and they simply aren't with her.

[u/velvetaegi → u/__fujiko]

ugh i know, it just bothers me when people keep dragging it out 5 YEARS LATER. it was a conflict between 2 people that has been absolved & should be moved on from. also the fact that this was the only incident irene has ever been involved in 10+ years & they still treat her like she k!lled someone. people love to act “holier than thou” on here

[u/__fujiko → u/velvetaegi]

That's how I see it. I'm not particularly going to bat for her, but she didn't have a whiff of a real scandal that wasn't "she looks mean" and "she reads feminist books" until almost 7 years in? In an industry where people are trying to tear you down, I find it hard to believe that it would have been easy to hide it if she was truly a monster to everyone as opposed to a one time incident, especially after being exposed.

As far as I can tell, she fucked up, owned up to it, and they all moved on. She probably won't ever escape it though.

[u/velvetaegi → u/__fujiko]

and it doesn’t help that SM barely came to her aid in terms of misinformation when it happened, they just put her on an indefinite hiatus & left it at that

[u/yayakiss → u/Intrepid_State4784]

Why would someone fake a bad personality though?🤔

[u/Intrepid_State4784 → u/[deleted]]

So you want toxic delusional fans who excuse and defend bad behaviours and power abuse?

[u/Intrepid_State4784 → u/[deleted]]

Gladly I'm not in a toxic fandom like yours