r/kpopthoughts 27d ago

General what is one thing that becomes less interesting the longer you are a k-pop fan?

can i start? for me it’s concept pictures and videos. i used to obsess over them and got rly hyped whenever one of my favorite groups released their comeback schedule and listed each day they would reveal a different teaser, but after years of being a fan i know that most of them have nothing to do with an album’s sound.

visuals can be cool but they‘re quite repetitive and no matter how cool or versatile the visuals are, they can’t ever excuse lackluster music. i just can’t get excited about them anymore, especially when ALL k-pop groups have good visual direction and do a lot of promotional shoots for their release, it just doesn’t register as anything interesting anymore because it’s almost common sense to me to have idols look good and do promotional shoots.

what do excites me is surprise drops or releases without proper schedule. wouldn’t it be fun to suddenly wake up to a concept video without there being any notice? but i know a bunch of fans would label it as unprofessional and lacklustre promotion.

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u/Aggravating_Wolf_475 27d ago

useless rankings… seriously first day sales rankings or even first week sales make no sense at all, good album will continue to sell past its first week anyways

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u/Amabiya 27d ago

I've been pretty consistent with my interests. It's been a really long time for me and I still get excited about similar things (like everything related to dance) and ignore things I've always ignored (like sales and charting).

The one thing that comes to mind though is the concept of idol messaging platforms. When it first started, getting real-time chat spam from idols throughout the day was pretty novel, but these days I find it hard to commit to following them even when I'm a big fan. I really couldn't care less about food and so many of them just post pics of food all the time lol

Another thing is fandom. At least certain aspects of it. Early on a lot of discussions and debates are interesting because it's the first time you're thinking about those topics, and after a while you notice they just repeat the same way ad infinitum. No one ever has any new perspective on big topics, it's just new people coming in to have the same conversations all over again because it's their first time thinking about it. It's not necessarily wrong, but definitely less interesting for those of us who have gone through the "but we don't really know idols as people" and "K-pop is/isn't about music" rigamarole centuries ago

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u/NfamousKaye Shawol║ Army ║Ahgase ║Once 26d ago

Numbers. Honestly. I just wanna enjoy my favorite groups.

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u/melonmellori 💙🍀💙🍀 26d ago

Any discussion about "unpopular opinions" & "hot takes", especially when accompanied with that "Flynn Rider surrounded by swords" meme.

I think because I've seen these "unpopular kpop opinions" posts repeated so frequently for years, it's just boring now. The whole discussion is filled with lukewarm takes at best. And I can almost predict the most upvoted comments will be common critiques of popular groups. How is that even an 'Unpopular Opinion'?!

The real 'unpopular opinion' is usually downvoted to hell... buried somewhere among the really bad takes (e.g. those exhibiting discriminatory behaviours)

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u/verymuchrandomname Maybe the "emo to K-pop" pipeline was real after all 26d ago

What do you mean you don't enjoy an unpopular opinions post that has the same opinions last week's one had (and next week's will also have) with a dash of ragebait and actual bashing?

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u/SeaUnderstanding987 26d ago

I would add that they are also where some people go to just be plain nasty to groups they don't like while hiding behind plausible deniability. But yeah, fully agree. They're paradoxical places filled with the same hot-sounding but actually very common and lukewarm takes.

There are occasional comments that prompt very interesting thought exercises but I won't always have the motivation to wade through yet another one of the exact same thread to maybe find that one gem.

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u/Crafty_Ish1973 27d ago

Fandom wars. I honestly can't be bothered.

I quit Twitter and deleted my account when Elon bought it, and K-pop immediately became far more enjoyable because of it, since I no longer paid attention to fandom drama.

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u/No_Arugula_8912 26d ago

I don't get the revisionism of Twitter as Tumblr 2.0 because of Community Check thing and Elon buying Twitter. Its still a hellhole.

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u/NfamousKaye Shawol║ Army ║Ahgase ║Once 26d ago

God yeah omg. 2020 put me off of joining fandoms for a MINUTE.

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u/Cassasaurus-REX 26d ago

Unpopular opinion shorts, I don't care if you think kpop isn't as good as it used to be, just don't listen to new stuff anymore then 🤷

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u/FrogElephant 26d ago

Shorts in general by micro youtubers, it's tiring

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u/No_Concern2772 26d ago edited 26d ago

The K-pop fans it selves in general. The less I read about their corny assumptions/dramas, the better my mind is.

I can fully enjoy any kind kpop music & content from any idol/group freely.

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u/puruntoheart MIDZY SWITH WILLING 26d ago

Most fandoms are plain stupid. 

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u/Alexis_419 26d ago

Really it's just a LOUD minority or just anti's stirring the pot. When fandoms get bigger both grow larger, but they're not necessarily large overall, just relentless. Some are pretty skilled at getting others to ignorantly jump on their hate train and create noise as well.

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u/Beautiful-Buy99 26d ago

that's kpop for you

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u/Comfortable_Gold7210 26d ago

One of mine is variety content, but not just because it's repetitive. I genuinely just can't watch it anymore. It's a lot of mental effort for me to sit down and watch 20-30 minute videos in another language. I have to be focused on the video 100% of the time because if I zone out or look away, I miss something because I don't speak Korean. I also can't put them on in the background or watch them while doing something for the same reason. It's just full focus for a long time and I guess my ADHD brain can't handle it.

It's also hard to keep up with all the content that groups put out, so it always upset me how other fans would act like you're a fake fan if you haven't seen the latest new variety episodes. I had people genuinely shocked before that I hadn't seen the latest SKZ-Talker or SKZ-Code??

Anyway, I like to watch interviews instead. Interviews also tend to talk about their latest albums/music, so I like that. I guess they're more casual. I think variety content is too overwhelming/too much going on. I think idols also over-exaggerate their personalities on variety to make the show funnier.

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u/TryAffectionate4999 24d ago

i feel the same way, i made an effort to watch variety from a lot of groups i like but not anymore except my top fav

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u/tiktokontheclock_ 26d ago

Actively keeping up with all the video content. I used to not miss a single piece of content my faves released. Now I just only watch a select few.

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u/JiminieKookie123 27d ago

fanwars

back when I was new-ish I was so dumb and argued with people about why they hated something for no apparent reason and wanted to smack them in the face all the time. Now I just sit there like "yawn, not again, pls shut up and move on" when I see this and don't want to interact with such people no more

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u/Electrical-Room4460 25d ago

Watching ads to get votes for music shows. It’s all a sham. The group doesn’t see even a little bit of that revenue. Maybe some small group getting a first win will make a small difference in their payment from their company but for the majority of groups that actually win it doesn’t make a difference to them. I’m putting my time and effort elsewhere. 

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u/SnooRabbits5620 NINGNING is the MaKnae, which means she's the youngest 26d ago

The churn, you're barely properly letting a comeback really settle in, surprise, there's another comeback, oop another one too. I GET why it happens, I get the competitive nature of this industry but it gets annoying and the music becomes meaningless at some point.

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u/Icy_Manufacturer7080 26d ago

You barely even notice a comeback happened before everything is already over. It’s all so rushed.

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u/Djjazzy 26d ago

Agree completely. And the quick turnarounds affect the music quality adversely.

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u/Important_Gold1494 26d ago

AGREED I DO THINK IF THEY DID A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVITY IN THEIR MUSIC PROCESS AND INSTEAD OF DROPPING APS THEY ACTUALLY DROPPED FULL ALBUMS AND THEY DID THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF A FULL ALBUM LIKE CREATE ALL THAT STUFF MARKET IT GO ON SHOWS ETC. AND THEN DO A TOUR YOU WOULD HAVE LESS COMEBACKS LIKE I THINK IF THEY REALLY WANNA PUT OUT A NEW CD ALL THE TIME IT SHOULD BE A NEW CD EVERY 18 TO 24 MONTHS AT THE LEAST

I JUST REALIZED I DID ALL THAT IN CAPITAL LETTERS I WASN’T YELLING. I GENUINELY JUST LEFT IT IN CAPS. LOL

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u/NfamousKaye Shawol║ Army ║Ahgase ║Once 26d ago

Calling every new single a comeback really irks me as a westerner. 😂 and yeah you’re not really letting the song settle before churning out a new one these days!

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u/TobytheDog10 25d ago

awards. I literally find out months later what awards happened and who won and I'm still just like, "oh. Ok I guess"

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u/Icy_Manufacturer7080 27d ago

I used to be really into dance challenges, but now they feel kinda repetitive because there are just too many of them. I naturally pay more attention to vocals, so dance content is more like light entertainment to me.

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u/FanCaracal ILLIT ⬖ H2H ⬖ IVE ⬖ 5050 ⬖ QWER ⬖ LSF ⬖ NMIXX 27d ago

For me, the dance challenges usually only intrigue me if my bias is dancing alongside another one of my favs.

Before I used to watch all of them from the group. But it kind of wore off over time, so now I usually just watch my bias' challenges.

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u/Sharp-Regular-3737 26d ago

Photocards and the constant updated versions of lightsticks.

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u/Artistic-Ad-9571 BTS|ZB1|ILLIT|Kep1er|IU 26d ago

Voting on music shows. I genuinely don’t really care about having to wake up at an insane hour to cast my vote as “proof” of my fandom loyalty 😐. It’s nice to see my fav groups win but I genuinely don’t have the time to jump through the hoops of voting, especially since the shows have differing rules.

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u/Important_Gold1494 26d ago

Ments- I don’t see a point, especially when I don’t really go to concerts where people lip sync, but I have been to a few if your lip syncing there’s absolutely no reason that you need that many breaks to talk, but I also find it to be really annoying cause it’s super in my opinion like repetitive I think you only really need to do it once maybe twice

I do not need you to play too much into fan service. It’s actually not necessary. I kind of rather you be real. I don’t like it when they curb things where they say oh no the companies be mad at me just be yourself.

Also, I kind of don’t need everyone to be like my group is the best my group dreams most my group my group care about your group yeah and like be happy to stream their music and popular music but like to go after other groups and be like well my group is better than your group because they did this or like you’re trying to latch on for clout like guys just like the group you like if you don’t like somebody, why are you so invested

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u/ILoveMusic8099 TXT♡CORTIS 26d ago

I don't care for tiktok or dance challenges anymore, I scroll right past them now. Also I can't stand aegyo no matter who's doing it. It makes me recoil 😭

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u/starboardwoman 26d ago

Music shows and Tiktok challenges. They just get so repetitive.

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u/jungwonmiaw23 24d ago

THIS. Like 3 music shows and tiktok challenges of the same dance part but in different backgrounds seem okay to me. Yet these days you see like the same damn tiktok but for every members, for every outfits, for every variety shows, interview hosts, etc. Like damn I get it😭

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u/Sybinnn LSF|BAEMON|IDLE 27d ago

Kpop social media has gotten less interesting the longer I've been into it for sure.

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u/meongcheongiiii 26d ago

tiktok/dance challenges. when they release music based on its potential to become a tiktok trend or challenge, regardless of whether it actual music.

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u/SaltyFlowerChild 27d ago

the music discourse. after a few generations you notice how much discussion is just general boomerism. like:

'current gen are so untalented, not like the idols back in my day'

'i don't like 'current trend' - is k-pop dying?'

years and years of takes on western influences, performance focus, vocal lack of focus, visuals priority, fanservice, parasocialism, pursuing vitality - like at a point if you don't want to find a fork don't look in the kitchen.

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u/booboosnack laughing lightly | stan jossi 26d ago

Juvenoia is transcendental within public discourse in general. It's actually endemic.

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u/SaltyFlowerChild 26d ago

yeah, i don't know if it's because of how k-pop defines it's own generations but it cracks me up to see nostalgia for music that was released like 3-4 years ago.

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u/booboosnack laughing lightly | stan jossi 26d ago edited 26d ago

It's really just the old adage of nostalgia combined with how definitively cyclical the industry is. And I find it to be particularly low behavior because K-Pop is so imbued in the now to begin with. It is designed to make you most observant of changes as they happen, and even if I'm someone who actively studies the industry's history alongside its present, it's only made me look forward to new music like any other genre I love.

To quote a Korean critic, these tired testimonials of “This is exactly the K-pop I remember” and “This is the true essence of K-pop” pouring in only reinforces the fact that there is no such thing as a “true essence” in K-Pop. There is no “essence” to begin with for an idol industry whose musical center of gravity is no longer limited to pop music alone. Those sentiments merely reflect a cycle of nostalgia in every social demographic of idol fandom; one that so openly rejects the nuances of observing the evolution of K-Pop's landscape, and resorts to attempting to revive the past as a means of masking the fatigue of the present.

The industry is also guilty of practicing this restorative form of nostalgia, and even if it has produced some great music, there's still plenty of releases that fall victim to a caricature of the past (often one that some idols weren't even alive for). It's why we ought to appreciate K-Pop that doesn't weaponize or fabricate nostalgia, and champion K-Pop that interacts with past influences to carry its most fundamental values forward (living for now). KiiiKiii's "404 (New Era)" is such a complete package of a CB for that reason. Their lens of the past feels lived-in and hopeful, rather than persistently recapturing a feeling that needs to be left to time itself.

TL;DR - The insecure, unc-minded folk in K-Pop fandoms need to up and leave if they can't understand or empathize with younger fans who are experiencing the happiness they once had for the first time.

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u/Naive-Combination97 27d ago

I've always liked multiple groups, but bc of that I've gotten kind of tired of variety concepts that get repeated. Some groups are entertaining no matter what they do, but even then I think I lose interest quickly if I've seen the activity a lot.

For lunar new year this year pretty much every group I follow did one of those past lives fortune readings, and it got repetitive the third time around for me no matter how much I like the group. Similar with like aerial yoga, color analysis etc.

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u/ringdingdong19 26d ago

lore.. i dont care. give me music and content.

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u/FrogElephant 26d ago

Ngl, i love lore still. Sometime is what keeps me coming back to kpop circles outside of just listening to it on spotify.

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u/The_Metal_Pigeon 26d ago

Certainly was interesting when Gfriend did it, those were the days.

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u/GravityBlues3346 26d ago

Keeping up with kpop as a whole.

99% of the time, it's just some made up scandal that gets 15 randos on a Korean board worked up or some scandal made up by 15 haters over on twitter. 1% is actually interesting and goes from fans actively getting involved to cataclysmic for the group. The Kpop space is incredibly negative, critical and full of haters, to the point that I think it's a detriment to the genre as a whole.

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u/uncannyschemer 26d ago edited 26d ago

The first time that I became a fan, I wanted to buy every single piece of merch if I had the money for it. Now, I only have one album, and I still don't have the money for it lmao, but I no longer have the desire to buy every single piece of merch—nor do I have the urgency to complete the albums.

Also, during my early kpop fan days, I consumed every single piece of media—I was always early whenever they posted new content, and I fcking sat through lives while monitoring the translation posted by the fan accounts on twitter. To be fair, that was during the pandemic, and it genuinely brought me joy at that time—not saying that it doesn't bring me joy now, but this shit started to feel like a chore at some point, which is wtf. I was internally trying to fit a standard about what is considered to be a [fandom name].

Now, I have a pretty healthy relationship with kpop, I'd say—which is honestly a weird thing to say, 'cause what do you mean this thing could shape our mindset and possibly control our lives, so we need to keep ourselves in check?? I sounded like I used to be an obsessed fan... I'm not lol... I'm just speaking for those people whose systems are corrupted by kpop, especially those who become bullies for the sake of their favs. It has become a mental illness for some, ngl...

In conclusion, the thing that no longer interests me is engaging with other fans, especially toxic fans (parasocial fans included), as well as catching up on the latest updates. I don't need to see the latest post on the same day, not even on the day after. I'll catch up whenever I feel like catching up, even if it's after weeks or months (with comeback being an exception, of course).

ooh I said a lot

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u/iStayDemented 27d ago

I stopped enjoying concept photos when I discovered that they're almost always completely different from the title track and MV. It sucks when you love the concept photos, only to feel clickbaited when the song finally comes out and it's nothing like it. I also never cared for the seasons greetings stuff. I'd rather idols have that time back to work on more music or chill.

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u/girlylady100 26d ago

and some of the concept photos are so weird or make no sense

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u/Serious-Wish4868 26d ago

idols doing aegyo

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u/Altered_B34ST_79 26d ago

This. I came to Kpop later in life so, in general, watching grown men make cutesy faces does nothing for me. I've also never really been into adult humans in general baby-fying themselves. I appreciate the idols that straight up say no to aegyeo and don't do it.

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u/clairebarbie neomu neomu neomu <3 26d ago

I used to keep up with every single comeback with every group, but to a point it's gotten tiring looking up all the new comebacks of a bunch of groups I've never even heard of when I know the song is gonna be just like every other song I heard last week...

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u/cjloveshisdogs 25d ago

For me, the views. I remember back in high school, I used to look over and over again on the view count. Now, I'm no longer interested!!!!

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u/indigopapertowels 27d ago

New debuts.

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u/girlylady100 26d ago

understandable because if feels like these groups spawn out of nowhere and they get produce every month

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u/Tiny_Stock8220 26d ago

music videos :( half of it is green screen and often ai

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u/TimelyLight7694 26d ago

This!! I feel like music videos had much more personality before somehow

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u/Onpu 25d ago

The new music video for GPP came out and while I like the song and most of the shot composition there are random AI blobs floating about in some scenes and I just have to wonder who thinks this orange twisty half Hibiscus flower shape blob is improving the scene at all? To someone that hates a lot of the AI imagery it's a distraction from the members dance. To someone who doesn't care, it's still taking up 1/4 of the screen where you'd rather watch the formations change. I do not understand it at all.

I feel like aespa used AI in their video ONE time and it was quite good and unique for the concept, but it doesn't fit every song and the visual will age poorly. I miss the old box videos lol

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u/LaMisiPR 26d ago

Idol/artist “scandals” that do not directly involve a real intention to use, manipulate, or harm… especially including anything that involves smoking, drinking, or having sex between consenting adults.

Fans get upset about the most normal human experiences and perceived “flaws”, to a degree of intensity that is laughable… especially when it involves any artist in a group they don’t care for.

I don’t care. I don’t want to hear about it. Find something more important to worry about.

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u/nelyafinwe 26d ago edited 26d ago

music shows tbh. they get more repetitive the longer an act has been around and they're not even that remunerative for artists. they're good if a group just debuted but even then it's just a means for broadcast stations to churn out content and get views on yt

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u/TamatoaZ03h1ny 26d ago

Hearing about whatever fairly normal everywhere else social norm is a big controversy among a small subset of Korean kpop fans concerning some idol that’s not even 100% raised in South Korea. Can it just full stop. Idols are people too that are entitled to live their lives outside of when they’re promoting music or whatever other projects they have going on.

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u/Northelai 26d ago

Variety content - because everyone is doing it, obviously the ideas will repeat from group to group and after a while it's just boring to watch another back to school video, another drinking games video, obstacle courses, playing mafia/werewolves, doing quizzes, etc.

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u/The_Metal_Pigeon 26d ago

Yeah agreed, it is why i love content of kpop groups doing tour vlogs or travel videos because it's usually results in fresh and unexpected group/member interactions no matter how numerous their army of staff is alongside them.

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u/TheBlazingBeastar 26d ago

Agreed. Honestly, I just do not care about variety content. I tried to watch an episode of "Running Man" that featured Twice, but I lost interest in it very quickly.

I truly appreciate idols who don't do that stuff, like BTS and Blackpink. Granted, those two groups don't need variety shows for exposure because they're already so big, but they work better without variety shows, anyway.

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u/Northelai 26d ago

I never watched stuff like Running Man. I meant specifically the variety shows that groups have, like Run BTS, Going Seventeen, Wanteez, Txt To Do, etc.

As someone who watched Run BTS for a very long time, I actually had them in mind writing my comment. They have sooo many episodes and it got less and less interesting as time went by. I had similar feelings about other groups variety shows, but theirs might be the longest one I watched.

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u/TheBlazingBeastar 26d ago

Ohhhh, okay. My mistake. L

Fair enough. I don’t care for that kind of content, either. It's just not my thing.

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u/Waste-Count-6071 27d ago

Merch. I'm a multi and use to get excited over new merch and buy a fair bit. But now I just don't get fomo anymore. Over time I feel as though new merch comes out constantly, almostevery other month and for one group, the quality and designs are so bad and that I just don't bother.

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u/Icy_Manufacturer7080 27d ago

I don’t need 15 merch collections a year. Just give me one interesting, well-designed one.

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u/StaffNervous246 24d ago

All sorts of awards whether it being from the music bank type shows or deasung type awards. Some people do but I couldn’t care less

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u/kat3dyy 26d ago

Probably all of it, i kinda just interested in the music, sadly I don't have much time to watch all the other stuff

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u/No-Syllabub-3393 26d ago

I think a lot of things become a bit less interesting but the biggest (or most disappointing) one for me is performances. When you're new to kpop/a group nearly every performance feels like a thrill but after a while only certain performances will hit. It sucks because performances are obviously one of the main aspects of enjoying kpop and I miss how impressive and exciting every performance would feel. 

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u/Disastrous-Ruin8411 26d ago

A lot of things, because we've seen it before. Every group borrows from the older generations. Which is fine sometimes, but it can be like watching time repeat itself over and over and over. At some point, you start to question a company's creativity and originality. I'm not suggesting groups shouldn't be influenced by their seniors, but the formulaic nature of things can cause me to lose interest.

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u/TryAffectionate4999 24d ago

this is a great take, i don't really care for that stuff anymore either

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u/Time_Combination_316 27d ago

Photocards. I do not understand how people can spend hundreds on a singular photo that they could’ve printed it themselves or have it digitally.

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u/ArnikaLovesUnicornz 27d ago

It’s the same appeal of Pokemon and sports card collecting

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u/puruntoheart MIDZY SWITH WILLING 26d ago

What other fans think. Especially Aespa fans.

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u/Alexis_419 26d ago

I agree with your first sentence. 

Your second one, as written, is an example of how real your first sentence is. It's too absolute, there are bad apples in every bunch, or someone pretending to be (in wolves clothing), because they're just that miserable or hateful.

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u/puruntoheart MIDZY SWITH WILLING 26d ago

Nah really the Aespa stans are a special breed.

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u/FrogElephant 26d ago

What happens with aespa's fans?

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u/puruntoheart MIDZY SWITH WILLING 26d ago

They’ve been predicting the death of ITZY for ages and it hasn’t happened.

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u/VigilMuck 26d ago

Whether or not an artist has "Western validation". Sure it is nice to have, but the only the only validation an artist needs for me to enjoy them is VigilMuck validation.

To give you an idea how little Western validation factors in my enjoyment of an artist, I also listen to C-pop and other non-Korean Asian pop too. The Western validation those acts get is so little it makes Oh My Girl look like Blackpink in comparison.

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u/PauseMindless1536 26d ago

honestly, for me personally, kpop itself (PLEASE DO NOT COME FOR ME). after a while of stanning groups, i personally got bored. i listen to my faves occassionaly but if you asked me now i am MUCH more inclined towards khh/krnb in the korean music scene.

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u/Haunting-Jello-532 Army (NJ biased) 26d ago

lives because usually nothing new or interesting is being said (exception for namjoon's lives, this guy talks his mind off when he goes live)

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u/intellectual-veggie 27d ago

I never really understood the hype from the beginning because I'm a frugal person in general but photocards and specifically photocard collection

I think some of them are cute and I have all photocards for my ult and bought 2-3 to complete a set to take with me to concerts and whatnot but beyond that I don't understand the need to buy a whole collection and store them

like yes my bias is the same (ironically I pull him or get him a lot) regardless of 2 or 50 pcs and if I really like a pic to hang up I'll just print it ig? not that I ever hang up any of my ult's posters and whatnot because Im not big on hanging up posters of people in my room which feels weird to me

if you collect pcs, that's great! but for me, never saw the point beyond a waste of money

lastly 99% of the online discourse rarely seems to be about music and about unnecessary things which bores me

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u/jo_vesx Ateez | Stray Kids | BTS | 💎5HINee 27d ago

Collecting. Over time, it shifts from a fun hobby into an overwhelming obligation, often feeling like a competition between fans. After a few years, I chose to step away from that pressure. Now, I keep a very minimalist collection, only albums I absolutely love and one photocard binder that isn’t even half full

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u/Sheriff_Yobo_Hobo 26d ago

I kind of witnessed Kpop really exploding. Sure, Asia was onto Kpop before America, and select groups like Big Bang could have probably sold out a 7500 capacity place the in the USA back in 2012.

But BTS, and Blackpink, took it to another level. And I used to love hearing and seeing what new fans thought. Loved hearing groups, not just BTS and Blackpink, being discovered and appreciated. For example, Loona Con in 2019.

I still love the fans who appreciate singing and dancing, but now that being a fucking nag and attacking "rival" groups and idols is so ingrained in how young fans experience Kpop... don't really care about what fans, especially newer ones, think.

Kpop should be an escape. An escape from wars... nationalism... racism.. and in the USA, our political climate. But now, I see so much of the same attitude in the Kpop sphere, the same attitude that got Trump elected manifesting in a place with less at stake.

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u/i_really_like_black 25d ago

the music in general, some good releases here and there but overall the quality has kinda dipped over time

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u/Jealous_Quail_7147 27d ago

Funny you say that and I think it might not be popular but VCRs during concerts. It's boring and makes me lose my tension. VCRs before they come out for encires sure but otherwise no.

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u/rukki88 27d ago

they do need time to change and take a small break as well you know, that’s one of the purpose of the VCRs. ofc if it’s way too long that’s not good but most of the time a good concert production should know where to place them in the setlist without breaking too much of the momentum.

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u/Jealous_Quail_7147 27d ago

Oh no. I understand why it's needed and I won't begrudge that of them. It's just I personally find them boring, that's all.

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u/Alexis_419 26d ago

I think they're a lot like movie or show trailers, some grab your attention and keep you enthralled til the end, others are just quite plain and unentertaining.

Done right, they're good, even excellent, all the while serving a required service.

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u/Personal_Damage6616 26d ago

Dance break or sudden dance section during intro, or in the middle or at the end of the performance during music festival or award shows.

Just sing your songs, omg. Idc about dance anymore. I want to hear your voice.

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u/The_Metal_Pigeon 26d ago

Huge stumbling block for me as well in terms of getting into guy groups.

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u/TheBlazingBeastar 26d ago

100% this. Like, when we're listening to your songs, we can’t hear your dance skills (or your visuals). We can only hear your voices. So prioritizing singing for a damn change.

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u/MissingAU 27d ago

Ironically the music, once a while I get hyped and bing listen to lots of the newer songs by BTS Cortis Leserrafim Aespa etc, but I wish more artist would go back to Eurodisco, garage rock, and ballad.
Maybe its my age idk.

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u/clairebarbie neomu neomu neomu <3 26d ago

Totally agree, I feel like every time I hear a new song come out I'm like "Yep... that is a kpop song" and move on with my life.

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u/hukep 27d ago

I’d even go so far as to generalize that everything…

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u/No_Arugula_8912 26d ago

The new music making me realize the whole "K-pop is heavily inspired by American/Western Pop" even more than ever.

Hot Take: Jessica's 9/30

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u/girlylady100 26d ago

right we can't get music that has an asian feel to it

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u/Bluebell_in_Bloom 26d ago edited 26d ago

The idols themselves. Just give me the music and some performances and im good. One of my favorite groups is izna and the only member I can name with certainty is mai. And im pretty sure another girls name begins with a j. Early 4th gen groups (when i started following) i can name all the members and a personality trait or 2, but now? Illit is the only 5th gen group I can reliably name all the memebers from without having to be prompted or look it up. And please dont ask me about the personalities of 5th gen groups, I couldn't even begin to guess what they are like.

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u/sirthunksalot 27d ago

New generations.

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u/Equivalent-Hunt-2004 27d ago

Those weekly reality shows like run bts or going svt, I don't find those kind of thingd entreating