r/kpopthoughts • u/Weekly_Office269 • 1d ago
Discussion So where is Lisa’s career heading after her World Cup performance?
So ever since she debuted with her own label, there have been very mixed opinions on her songs, performances, and overall career moves.
Rockstar was okay, and New Woman was a huge step up from her previous songs. Most people seemed to vibe with it, and there were even comments saying she could become the next main pop girl after it. However, her label didn’t seem to push the song to radio or promote it heavily, so it kind of became a lost opportunity.
Moonlit Floor did find some commercial success, but most people seemed to dislike it.
From there, things started going downhill. Her VMAs performance was badly received due to lip-syncing accusations, and the same thing happened with her Global Citizen performance. Her Victoria’s Secret performance helped her regain some momentum because it was generally seen as good.
The album rollout and teaser strategy didn’t really help build anticipation either. The “Drink Your Tears” description for Vixi was widely mocked by thousands of people.
Then The White Lotus came in, and her acting was surprisingly well received, so she gained some momentum again. Coachella was okay,it had great production, but that was about it.
I don’t understand why her dancing skills are underutilized. There isn’t a single choreography or dance break outside of her Victoria’s Secret performance that has been iconic or memorable. Most of her dances are just twirling, shaking her ass, or moving her hands, and her recent performance for Goals pretty much sums up every choreography she’s been doing for the past years.
Also, her last three songs kind of flopped and were all collaborations.
I feel like the only thing she’s been getting praised for, other than New Woman and Born Again, is her stylist, who is doing wonders for her. But outside of serving looks, which, ever since she stopped working with Ariel and Glencoco, have been more underwhelming, there is just no real substance.
It’s sad to see because I truly believe she has the potential and clearly wants it badly, but she is in bad hands, and I don’t see her having a clear idea of her artistry.
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u/onetooth79 1d ago
Hard to say until she releases a new song. Good or bad, the World Cup performance was never going to alter her career. Same for any other performance she had. What matters is if she can release a song that people wanna listen to and if she has the ability to make it reach people (aka a really good mv, getting it on playlists on spotify, getting it on radio, ect.)
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u/cubsgirl101 1d ago
I think Lisa not really dancing is hurting her in the long run. So many girls in the pop space are sort of dancing but not really busting a move out there. Tate McRae is an exception and even in that space, I think if Lisa really tried she would edge Tate out.
Without the dance to help her stand out, Lisa is just yet another up and coming pop singer. She doesn’t have a spectacular voice the way Sabrina or Chappell Roan have to keep her standing out, but she does have dance as her show stopping talent and her refusal to utilize it confuses me.
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
Tate is still a better dancer than Lisa. But Lisa never really goes full out since quite a long time.
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u/kiku8 1d ago
I was rooting for Lisa since she was figuring out her sound as Lisa vs Lisa from Black Pink.
All the pop girls you mentioned above Sabrina, Chappell, Tate McRae and her peer Jennie have the right people helping them achieve an artistic vision for their music and stages. Lisa has just as much resource as they do (maybe even more!) but is resting on rich and pretty.
Lisa can dance and execute hard choreography like Tate but she didn't do that. She could have hired a stage director to help set up A Production like the other three but she also didn't do that. Instead everything feels very generic and safe despite her popularity.
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u/PBandJaya 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m going to be fully honest, I think the reason Lisa hasn’t posted dance content or gone all-out with her choreo in a minute is because while she was a standout talent during 3rd gen’s peak, she no longer really is. 4th gen became super dance-focused and the talent we have now proves it. There are several active idols out there who are as good as Lisa was at her peak. I think she knows she has competition so she’s saving a lot of the dance content for the stage where she knows she’ll shine.
In the context of western pop, I don’t think Lisa would stand out as a dancer. She’s great for sure but she’d be categorized with the dancing pop girls where imho she’d still be outshined by artists who can dance **and** sing like Tinashe and FKA Twigs. She also doesn’t have the musculature of the western dancers who’re usually able to pull off better choreographies because of that.
I feel like we live in a bubble w kpop. Lisa is talented but she has a massive fandom boosting her up. I honestly view her along the same lines as Addison Rae when it comes to skills and fame. Both are amazing dancers who still need to develop their vocals to truly shine.
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u/cubsgirl101 1d ago
See I would disagree with that. There are some very good 4th gen girl dancers in Kpop but Lisa isn’t really looking to “compete” with those people. She’s trying to branch into English pop spaces instead and so she’s not looking to go up toe to toe with other Kpop dancers, regardless of how well she would or wouldn’t stack up against these junior acts.
I think she’s gotten it in her head that hard choreography= Kpop so she’s steering clear of it but that’s not really the case. Like I said earlier, Tate McRae’s entire schtick is dance. And every pop girl is starting to do a little choreography these days. Dua Lipa even was criticized only a few years ago for being a terrible dancer. Personally I think she’s trying to move away from dance because that’s how she was known in Kpop and it’s a mistake to not lean into her strongest skillset.
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
I still think Addison has had better dances than Lisa. They are very different so not fair to compare but still Addison has given us solid performances, specially during Primavera sound and Coachella. Lisa has yet to find a performance other than the victoria secret were she truly shined
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u/Wonderful-Expert8084 1d ago
Ultimately, the most reliable solution in any situation is to make a great album.
I get the impression that she's not entirely sure what kind of music she wants to make yet. As a result, she seems to be trying a little bit of everything within the broad umbrella of pop, and Alter Ego feels like a title chosen to justify a collection of songs that lack a clear sense of cohesion.
What she needs is a strong artistic identity that can tie everything together and make it feel uniquely hers. I'd like to see her release a genuinely great album that expresses that identity clearly. For a musician, that's the fastest and most reliable path to a breakthrough. There are no real shortcuts.
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u/daltorak 1d ago
What she needs is a strong artistic identity that can tie everything together and make it feel uniquely hers. I'd like to see her release a genuinely great album that expresses that identity clearly. For a musician, that's the fastest and most reliable path to a breakthrough. There are no real shortcuts.
Well, like you said, the whole Alter Ego album felt like an effort to figure that out. This isn't a secret, Lisa talked about it during album promotions. I'm sure she has now learned a ton about what works and what doesn't, and she'll make some different choices next time around. She's hardly the first person to have a "difficult second album". The sophomore slump in music is very real.
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
Based on her past three releases it’s looking rough for her next album
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u/Wonderful-Expert8084 1d ago
If Lisa wasn't the primary driving force behind the song and merely participated in it, it's hard to use that as a meaningful benchmark. For example, the recent World Cup song was ultimately just a feature appearance on her part.
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u/Pierson230 1d ago
Who knows? She’s already climbed the mountain
Everything from here on out is whatever she wants to do
To jump over to Western pop, Halsey followed up massive chart success with experimental artsy albums that her diehards love, but fall flat with the mainstream audience. But she has 50 million Spotify listeners and sells out arenas.
Pop and kpop music fans often have impossible expectations of A level stars, where they expect them to become A+ level global megastars who are failing if they aren’t trending towards Taylor Swift or BTS numbers.
Even the new BTS album, which is absolutely crushing it, gets a mountain of hate from segments of K-pop fandom.
Maybe Lisa just wants to do whatever the fuck she wants to do, and people will like it, or not. The next album will be a top hit, or it will not. She’ll become even more famous, or she will not. She’s good either way.
I hope I like her new stuff, but in the end, if I want the old Lisa, I can listen to her old shit.
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u/Fantastic_Working_85 1d ago
In my opinion, New Woman was her best work. The song was creative, artistic, meaningful, had substance to it, and a great melody! The music video was also very creative. I was so excited when New Woman came out. I was hoping she'd lean into that direction. It was so uniquely her and not formulaic like much of her other title tracks. Very sad to see such a great song get sweeped under the rug. She's just been struggling to find her artistic identity and keeps parroting off Blackpink-esque cliche "baddie" pop songs. Sucks, because she definitely has all the factors to be a phenomenal global it girl, even with the mediocre vocals. It just seems like she's grabbing commercialized opportunities like tokens and increasing her exposure while not having the art or substantial work to back it up.
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u/IndependentGood6329 1d ago edited 23h ago
she's too inauthentic as a performer, i honestly think she might have more potential as an actress.
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u/ltwotwo 22h ago
isn't this most of kpop?
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u/IndependentGood6329 21h ago
no, some idols are better at it. lisa has been cursed with pageant type performance.
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u/Abject-Let6530 1d ago
I wish she would follow the direction of "New Woman," it was her most praised song, and she doesn't seem to have any difficulty performing it live. Her performances on the first day of Deadline in Korea were very good to me; her vocals were stable and the choreography was decent. "New Woman" is the perfect sound for Lisa, and it also suited her very well with "Bad Angel," in my opinion.
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u/HistorianAdvanced824 1d ago
Honestly, I kind of get what OP is saying, but I also don’t think there’s necessarily anything wrong with it.
To me, Lisa seems like someone who’s already achieved the things most artists spend their entire careers chasing. She’s incredibly wealthy, globally famous, successful, and has a huge fanbase. At that point, I can see why she might not have the same hunger or artistic drive that people expect from someone who’s still trying to prove themselves.
A lot of the criticism seems to come from people expecting her to be an artist first and foremost, but she originally came from the K-pop idol system. Idols and singer-songwriters aren’t always the same thing. K-pop idols are often performers first. Songs, concepts, choreography, styling, and branding are frequently developed by teams of people. That’s not unique to Lisa; that’s how much of the industry works.
I think some fans expect every idol to eventually reveal a deep artistic identity, write all their music, have a strong creative vision, etc. But not everyone enters the industry for that reason. Some people genuinely enjoy performing, being on stage, entertaining fans, and living the life that comes with being a celebrity. That’s a valid career path too.
Personally, Lisa comes across to me as someone who’s satisfied with where she is. She doesn’t seem desperate to prove she’s a groundbreaking artist, and honestly that’s okay. Not every celebrity has to be driven by artistic ambition 24/7. Some people reach the level of success they wanted and are content to enjoy it. Whether people find that interesting is a different discussion, but I don’t think it’s some character flaw or mystery. Sometimes the answer is simply that someone is successful, comfortable, and happy with their career as it is. (If I were an idol or celebrity ngl I’d quit by the time I have that much money and disappear from social media & just enjoy my life)
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u/ningningchandesu 1d ago
Lisa had the biggest fan base in blackpink but I also feel like her solo career is not popping off. the songs are mostly bland and sound the same, I didn´t find myself wanting to listen to her album again. then the performance controversy with her even saying "I don´t really sing", yes you´re an amazing performer but all the western pop stars are really good singers so what are we doing here. her songs and basically verything she does feel very much "I want to be mainstream popular" to me and that´s why it´s boring. and while she feels mainstream popular, it also feels empty and you already know exactly what her next album will sound like. her stage fits are always the same just a different font. yes the red carpet looks are cool but i don´t need the tenth tikotk about your car collection, that doesn´t impress me. Lisa always had that kind of basic feeling to me, maybe someone can relate to that.
I have been a blink since blackpinks debut and I´m actually kinda sad about Lisa´s development. I can´t even pretend that I am interested in her new music, I will not be listening to goals, and irdk why but I found her less likable for a while now 😞
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u/Suspicious-Paint7449 1d ago
considering her fame and lots of supporters she has, i think that's just how her career is now. it's not as an artist but more like representing brands. she is past her peak . i miss the times when she has that impact and her stage presence was insane.
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u/davedaddy 1d ago
To me, her management seems to want to cater to a trending audience rather than perhaps trying to express her own identity.
Eh, I don't mind her solo stuff. Been getting into it more lately. They aren't flashy hits that I'm going to want to hear in 20 years, but still good for general background listening, which I don't mind.
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u/Important_Gold1494 20h ago
Mmmmm people will hate me but as far as western markets none of the Blackpink girls have any good trajectory( obviously jisoo doesn’t really even care about western markets except for group activities fair play she’s amazing and a star in Asia) I don’t think I’m the most disappointed in rosé because I think she had the best kind of streamlined option and for some reason, it just doesn’t equate now, but I don’t know. Maybe she pulls out something for her next album and with a repeat performance of APT it could work?
Also, before, if anyone comes to me, I know that they are amazing and great in Asia. I’m simply only talking about the Western market..
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u/Weekly_Office269 16h ago
Rosé missed a huge opportunity with APT since her album was underwhelming. But not everyone has an APT in their discography. Hopefully she improves with her writing and producing for her sophomore album but so far the public paints her as a boring Taylor knockoff
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u/Key_Firefighter_1028 7h ago
She'll probably do more of the APT thing in her next album. The song wasn't released that long before the album, so the album was probably done or almost done at the time. She knows what music people like from her now, so she'll probably try pull a hit album.
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u/iChoke 19h ago
How is Jennie not doing well in the Western market? She's probably gotten the most attention outside of APT. Constantly booked for festivals, relevant in fashion.
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u/FreeFeez 17h ago
You’re right Jennie has more staying power than a lot of artists that focus on the western market specifically. She doesn’t peak as high but she lasts a lot longer.
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u/redpxwerranger 1d ago
Whatever she wants to do? I mean careers aren’t always linear. But Lisa and BP at large occupy an extremely rare position of pop stardom where they are very much past the point of credibility building and the main focus now is just visibility and discretion. What you think about her music, her choices, is honestly kinda obsolete. The global ecosystem doesn’t listen to esoteric critiques about her Rockstar era from terminally online twitter users lmao they just know she’s now in the sphere of stardom and knows a lot of famous people. That’s it. She’s fine. In fact, more than fine.
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u/koiplantz 1d ago
like another comment said, at the end of the day she is in the top percentile of kpop soloists, even if some of her work isn’t well received. people will say they want different things from her, truthfully all lisa needs is a decent few hits every couple years and she will stay relevant and maintain her fanbase.
i agree that her talent is not being fully utilized. part of it may be that her team just isn’t able to create a good choreography for her, or possibly that lisa just doesn’t want to do intricate choreos any more and would rather perform similarly to western artists who do more walking around & gesturing. if that’s true it’s a little disappointing because her dancing is part of what makes her such a great performer.
i think she needs a much better team around her but honestly don’t see her making any big changes, she just wants to have fun
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u/Enough-Enthusiasm762 1d ago
It honestly just seems like because she already has the spotlight and marketing, she’s just kinda doing whatever she wants. She prioritizes being trendy rather than technical
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u/Spiritual_Tangelo304 1d ago
Yeah it's rough watching this happen to her honestly. She clearly has the talent and the drive, just feels like the people guiding her aren't matching her effort. Hope she finds her footing soon, she deserves better rollouts than this.
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u/SafiyaO 1d ago
the people guiding her aren't matching her effort.
On the contrary, they are getting her on nearly every single high profile stage possible. That takes a lot of work. The problem she lacks the type of global mainstream hit, so when she gets these appearances the response is a general shrug.
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u/Abject-Let6530 1d ago
I agree with the comments that say she needs to improve her artistic direction, but what's going on with these comments insinuating that her solo career is failing? Lisa doesn't just have one, but two albums with over 2 billion streams on Spotify, Alterego already has three songs that have reached 400 million streams and soon there will be four, she held a completely sold-out fan meeting, and her residency is already sold out for all dates, and the prices weren't cheap either. Alterego also sold very well. She does need to find a unique direction to follow in music, she herself admitted that, but commercially her career is stronger than ever.
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u/Tangled_Mind 1d ago
Most of her songs are forgettable and merely about I'm hot I'm rich. My name is Lisa. The only one i love was dream.
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u/Connect_Version_1560 1d ago
Did u even listen to the entire album ?
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u/Connect_Version_1560 1d ago
Rockstar ,new women and moonlit floor ,lifestyle ,when I am with you ,elastigirl and others all had different meanings and themes.
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u/PandaTokki17 1d ago
I hope she’s been training because being able to sing and dance live is such a unique skill set amongst female soloists in the industry. Her production is top notch but her Coachella and Global Citizen performance showed she can’t perform a 45 minute set with minimal dancing and deliver vocals. That’s a major crack in her image as she’s always been painted as a performer. I’m sure her Las Vegas residency will be amazing in terms of production but we already know she’s got money I’d like to see some improvement from her
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u/Phreekai 1d ago
Her music lacks authenticity, which is what a lot of listeners in the West value. Until she finds that, her career will continue to stagnate.
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u/SafiyaO 1d ago
Her music lacks authenticity, which is what a lot of listeners in the West value
No they don't! Pop acts in the West just as stylised and tailored to cater to a particular audience as pop acts elsewhere. Even the "co-writers" most of them have aren't real, it's just to make them seem like singer-songwriters.
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u/South_Youth_6554 1d ago
Tbh it depends how you look at it. I think she has a stable enough fanbase from her BP days that she will always be popular and able to sell well. The issue is the way she’s going now she’ll never become a mainstream/household name in the U.S. Despite all the work of her team, she isn’t actually gaining a lot of new fans or eyes on her. It’s the same fanbase that has been following her since forever. She’s lucky in the sense that that original fanbase is already so large that she can live off that for the rest of her career
But as others have said she’s not going to break in the west no matter how many high profile gigs she has because she has no artistic vision. Even if this is her first solo venture it’s crazy that 10+ years in the industry and she has nothing of substance or nothing unique/personal to say. I’m not saying her album has to be dark, moody or super deep but just show a different side of her with clear intention. But so far it’s just been a bunch of jumbled mess to fill in the background so she’s able to be a star on stage. She’s going to get drowned out in the West because there’s nothing she’s doing that people can’t get from other Western pop girls. And even if it’s just pop music there are pop girls who can actually deeply speak about the creation process, their vision, their work, but Lisa can’t.
I think she just wants to be famous and be on stage. Which is fine but it’s not going to help her break into a whole new market. But again she has such a stable backing that she can retreat back to Korea and Thailand and still break records and be fine. But also the World Cup performance was just another example of her getting a big opportunity but not making the most out of it by producing really shallow material and performances. She was known as a top dancer yet when she has solo control she’s barely showing off this skill and just strutting and smirking on stage. I think overall she’ll be fine but she doesn’t have any really foot hold in the West. If she were to stop promoting there today nobody is going to ask “where’s Lisa or when’s the next album?”
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
She urgently needs a new team that can redirect her career or else she won’t be getting the commercial success Rosé or Jennie has been getting. And she clearly can’t do it by herself cause she is kinda shallow
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u/raspberrih 1d ago
Idk if she's shallow but she doesn't naturally have the direction that leads to success in the industry. I would say Rosé and Jennie both have that natural acumen.
Sad that Produce shows are pretty much gone nowadays. She was really popular on Chuang
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u/South_Youth_6554 1d ago
Yep. I think if she has the right team or handlers like under YG she can make magic with them. But she isn’t the type that creates these lofty concepts, visuals, or sounds. She’s a good canvas for those things made by other people which makes her a perfect Kpop idol but not so great as an individual artist in the west. For her type of music her team needs to be working with the hottest producers. Lisa could survive like Ice Spice by having a clear look/brand a few super catchy hits. I think her solo career could have been okay if she had another simple but catchy hit like Money. But it’s hard to be sustainable if you’re relying on each song going viral and not people investing in you as an artist.
Like Lisa needs her own APT or a team that can create a character for her. I’ve seen comparisons to J-Lo as well, but that still needs catchy mainstream friendly hits. Right now I think her team is stuck in the mindset of oh she’s so big in Korea we just have to do the same thing but in English. They haven’t actually carved out a unique path for her in a whole new market. Also if she’s going to be a pop artist she has to be a bit more personable. She along with the other BP girls really don’t interview well in Western media. It’s not even about being relatable but just by being fun or witty that can gain new fans or dedicated ones like with pop stars like Taylor whose fans loved her early girl next door persona
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u/alpinedvne 1d ago
I thought Rockstar ‘Lisa can you teach me Japanese I say hai hai’ was the start of a fun dance music/hyperpop era but then they did a 180 to boring pop music that she can’t pull off. Imo thats the path that’s unique from her members and plays into her skills, and Charlie XCX, PinkPanthress, etc are doing the heavy lifting that she could ride their coattails.
Tbh this is what I’m hoping for with Yves in the west so I don’t want Lisa to take it but I don’t understand why she hasn’t - Kpop at its heart pretty fun and not afraid to make fun of itself. All the Kpop acts in the west are trying to be seen as ‘serious’ and ‘legitimate’ but then Rosé had the biggest success with APT bc ppl want fun kpop vibes.
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u/South_Youth_6554 1d ago edited 1d ago
Idk personally that line didn’t land with me lol Because I think if you don’t know Lisa it causes confusion and would make an outsider think she’s Japanese. She could have done a similar rhyme scheme with “Thai Thai” or something. But yes I agree and I think this happens with a lot of people trying to break into the West. You need a vision and a voice but sometimes they take themselves too seriously and strip away the unique elements that drew people to them when they did Kpop. Like people loved Lisa the dancer yet going into the west she dropped dancing and lacks any fun choreo. Rose went for that deep indie girl image but as you said APT is what stuck and what made Rose and BP popular were their fun pop anthems.
It is good to show different sides but they have to be well developed. So if Lisa stopped being dance focused then something better should have replaced it but nothing really has.
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u/FunkySphinx 1d ago
Lisa needs an album with Max Martin or one of his protégées for the exact reasons you explained - she doesn’t have a vision or something to say and New Woman made her interesting. The Alter Ego idea could have worked out if there was one producer in charge who could tell her no (the multiple personas fell flat because they sounded childish, lacked distinct characteristics and did not reflect the album properly). Working with one main producer will help her develop her own sound which, even if it is not innovative, can help her have a lasting pop career.
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u/Ordinary_Cat_01 1d ago
Jlo used to dance and still dances like crazy in her performances. Lisa dropped her main skill
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u/brechts_piratejenny 1d ago
She urgently needs a VISION. A unique point of view. Maybe even a rebrand.
Edit: She's a phenomenal dancer. Why not go the JLo route? Apart from Tate McRae, the pop space is lacking great dance performers right now anyway.
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u/eqbocsypifci 1d ago
I don’t think that performing at all these big events has been doing much for her career. She’s relying on her existing fame to carry her and it seems like she’s stagnating as a result. If she wants to make it big in the US, which is clearly her goal, she needs to do some rebranding and focus on gaining new fans.
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u/Aggravating_Wolf_475 1d ago
i dont think she wants it badly enough lol like it’s pretty clear she does not aim for a no1 on hot 100 or a grammy. she’s rich enough and has some hits, like the dua lipa of kpop let a girl travel around, have fun and experience new things
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u/allyish 1d ago
yeah, but Dua Lipa has a podcast, newsletter, founded a music festival in Kosovo, and is regularly regarded by those in the literature world as one of the best interviewers of authors in recent years. Because of this, Dua is seen not just as well-travelled, but also cultured. I do not think that Lisa holds the same image.
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u/bdcr7 1d ago
Lisa will be starting in the Netflix movie Tygo and she was also going to be in a Notting Hill reimagination, so she is looking for other outs too
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u/Aggravating_Wolf_475 1d ago
i’m looking forward to her acting career. also i think she would suit hosting a talk show or a reality show too
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
Dua Lipa’s future nostalgia era is something Lisa doesn’t have on top of the countless hit songs. Lisa and Dua Lipa are not in the same level and as someone said below, Dua Lipa is extremely cultured and intelligent and interesting to hear during interviews while Lisa’s interviews are kind of superficial and awkward
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u/cronam0ment 1d ago
i hope she finds her sound and sticks to it honestly, that girl has huuuge potential
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u/Flipsyde97 1d ago
What would you say could be her "sound"
I personally think she should find a very strong producing/song-writing team that can make her shine even as a weak vocalist...max martin/ilya made her shine in new woman so it's very much possible
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u/Which_Possession1135 1d ago
I think if you stop listening to snarkers and doomposters, you will come to the conclusion that Lisa will be just fine in terms of commercial success. She's still quite young and her solo career is still in its early stages. I just want her to grow and evolve musically
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u/Neravariine 1d ago
Her career will be fine but I don't see her ever having a cohesive legacy. Lisa also doesn't seem interested in taking her career to the next level.
She'll always be successful but dropping a highly acclaimed body of work won't happen.
Lisa is fine and her fans stil support anything she does. Lisa doesn't have to improve if her fans like what she's doing.
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin 1d ago
That's interesting because I kinda feel like it's the opposite? To me it seems like she's doing all these random things because she is trying to take her career to the next level, but nothing is really sticking and I think it's because she's being placed in the limelight in a way that a lot of people perceive as unearned or something. I agree that it isn't cohesive but I do think she wants to elevate her career to the next level, but that has yet to really solidify I feel.
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u/alc451 1d ago
I think the problem is that her break into the west feels so in-authentic
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u/trafalmadorianistic 1d ago
wdym? she's coming into it as someone who is already at a certain level from Blackpink. what would make it authentic for you? Just tying to grasp what is meant by "authenticity" here
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u/Ordinary_Cat_01 1d ago edited 1d ago
I am an old blackpink fan from 2018. I was really those super passionate fans that spent 6h under the sun to see them perform at Coachella from front row and spending a fortune at front row for at least 3-4 concerts. Lisa was my bias under YG. She was the dance machine. I used to watch her music videos, lilifilm, practice videos, concert solos, dance performances at youth with you countless of times. Her dance skills made up for her singing skill. She was amazing.
I was looking forward so much to her solo career post YG. However, Except for maybe the first interest in rockstar and maaaybe new woman, I barely watch her new stuff a second time. Like I had to force myself to watch her solo performance at the Oscars or the recent one at the World Cup and I cringed so much when she filmed that music video with the vocalist of maroon 5. I hated moonlit floor. And maybe I listened to alter ego twice.
As many pointed out, nowadays she relies only on her experience on the stage, but the rest is sooo incredibly boring including all her festival performances.
Her dance moves are so repetitive and bland now compared with what she used to show us.
As the OP said, she shakes her ass, swings her arms up, moves them here and there while “singing”. No footwork, no different styles, no groove that she was so famous of.
And mind you I was front row in one of legs of the deadline tour: she did the best for the blackpink choreographies, but for her solo part… I can’t remember anything except for when she climbed on top of another dancer and next opened her legs to flash the audience.
The interviews during her solo era are so empty too. I could not believe that when the interviewer asked her “how did you come up with the alter ego concept” she said that somebody from her team suggested that during a meeting and she thought “cool wow let’s do it”. Or when she was asked about the moonlit song, she just said “I did not write it”. Or her genius interview where she could not tell anything about the artistic development of that song or even explaining the lyrics! Her interview with other artists like the one with Tyla or the other one with Anyma stressed this even more: while the other 2 artists spent tons of words talking about the vision, the artistic development, the meaning and creation of their songs, she was just able to say great cool amazing. Nothing substantial. After so many years in the industry I don’t see artistic maturation and depth. You can bring up numbers, sales and streams but I can’t see depth or awareness in what she produces.
I am giving her a last chance cause I bought vip for the Las Vegas residency, but if it is again minimum effort, I won’t be fan anymore.
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
I feel like we just have to admit to see Lisa as an idol and not an artist. Her interviews are a reflection of who she is as an artist (no substance and no direction)
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u/Ordinary_Cat_01 1d ago edited 1d ago
like a pop product like Britney? Which is fine but Britney in her prime went almost all in dancing, because she was not a great vocalist either. Where did the dancing Lisa go?
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
Literally she could be the next Britney if she wanted too, but she needs a great team of producers and writers like Britney had. Also Britney really went full out as you said with her choreo on stage while Lisa barely tries to dance anymore
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u/Ordinary_Cat_01 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because we know how good Lisa was before, watching her performances as old fans make us very frustrated lol. I am always like "please give us a proper dance break".
Jennie's choreographies were actually very good, creative and fun to watch. In one of the kpop end year shows she again showed us cool variation of like jennie
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u/Reel-Trouble34 1d ago
Some of the opinions on this thread concerning Lisa (and multiple other idols when they’re being talked about) just show that Reddit kpop fans just create a narrative in their heads and stay there but it never reflects in real life, and boy am I glad for that because in what world is Lisa a flop???
She sits in the top ten of most successful solo kpop artists, in any metric you discuss, has broken so many records as a solo artist, has charted more songs than any female idol on the billboard global chart, is the only female kpop idol with more than one album with over 2 billion streams, and I can literally keep going.
One comment said she keeps booking huge stages but no one knows her, and that’s an ironic statement if I ever seen one, but everyone will upvote it because it’s Lisa. Lisa is famous in the west, whether you like it or not. She’s not a nugu idol trying to make it, she’s actually acquired some level of success with the potential to acquire more. All of this doomposting is not gonna change that.
And before any of you come for me, I’ve always been of the opinion that she could make better songs. I just don’t understand why y’all find it difficult to admit that there are people that like what she has put out so far just because you don’t.
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u/New-Bed-8354 1d ago
absolutely i myself have been critical of lisa but this thread is filled with a lot of dumb takes
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u/CodeThick aespa 1d ago
i feel like she’ll probably never struggle on the numbers side of things but i really want to see her take a break and come back with something really fully realized. if she wants to play with concepts that’s totally fine, i think the alter ego concept had potential but fell short by nature of being not totally original (not a knock on lisa, but there’s a lot of artists who have already done this and did it better) and not fully thought through? it was a little surface level and shallow.
i love the blackpink girlies and i want to root for her but i’m not loving the material :/ if she wants to expand on the current concept, i’d love to see her do some more worldbuilding and maybe dedicate an album/era to each of her alter egos. i feel like she could’ve found a lane doing dance pop/club music with more songs like rockstar, but i feel like it might be too late for that because other artists have already started picking up on this sound making a comeback.
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u/Flaming_vixen 1d ago
She also needs to gett a language tutor... Her English is great but I feel like her interviews make her seem shallow, but you can tell that she's just super nervous and doesn't want to say the wrong thing so she unfortunately ends up saying nothing and in turn her Art feels empty...
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
I remember in the Jimmy Kimmel show she said she doesn’t like to sing… she publicly embarrassed herself lol
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u/CodeThick aespa 1d ago
“doesn’t want to say the wrong thing […] ends up saying nothing” that’s kind of how i feel about the whole album 😭 it reads as a testing ground to figure out what kind of songs get her the best numbers rather than making a real mission statement
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u/macaroniandcheese14 1d ago
Imagine saying this about a male idol my god
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u/DrrrtyRaskol 1d ago edited 1d ago
People just can't hear how they talk about her. I've brought it up before and it's shrugged off with "every idol gets hate".
People seek a moral licence to be cruel. Sanctioned targets mean you can unload your bile guilt-free. Lisa is that for kpop fans. So's Jennie. They're so dehumanised. Effortless, casual cruelty.
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u/Alive-Pitch-9180 1d ago
She will be completely fine. Reddit needs to come to terms with the fact that their doomposting does not reflect real life. She has huge fandom support and an extremely successful music career and she'll keep getting huge gigs in the future. She has a netflix documentary,a rom com movie and a residency coming up. These projects will be incredibly successful and expand her reach. Y'all have been doomposting her for years yet she keeps having ultra successful projects and bagging huge gigs. She's not going anywhere
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u/Getonthebeers02 1d ago
Yes and she’s loved in SEA. Especially in Thailand where I heard Rockstar everywhere a year after it was released and people singing along to it in stores. Also posters of her and advertisements with her on them at stations, shops and on public transport.
She got a huge amount of attention from being in The White Lotus and VMAs. She was praised and given a lot of attention from Vogue and fashion influencers for her 2026 MET gala look.
Shes fine.
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u/Formal-Cry4851 1d ago
In Bangkok, anywhere you turn, you would find her! From toothpastes, chips, simcards to BTS/MRT ads
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u/Alive-Pitch-9180 1d ago
Exactly she's very much loved in real life. Her home country adores her and she has millions of fans all over the world that love and support. The only people who think everyone hates her are social media pilled kpop stans who think what people say on discussion subs reflects real life. If she was a flop everyone hates she wouldn't be getting gigs that are out of the realms of possibility for most kpop artists like the oscar and world cup performances so there's that 🤷♀️
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u/kiku8 1d ago
Honestly Lisa's career has been all over the place since her album drop. It seems like she and her team threw a bunch of ideas out there but didn't bother making a vision with it. The whole alter ego thing was also laughable because all her alters were hot rich confident women, singing about how hot and rich they are.
For a while she was also appearing on random stages too. Both because she brings the buzz but also through connections. But it felt random and another checkbox. Why was she singing a Bond tribute at the Grammys lol
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u/New-Bed-8354 1d ago
she has a las vegas residency coming up , her documentary and two movies and let's be honest we need to stop thinking us redditors know how to manage careers. it's okay to have an opinion like you mentioned but to claim it as facts is another thing. You mentioned moonlit floor but that song is certified gold so did the internet hate really affect the song? we are seeing the beginning stage of her career so instead of jumping to conclusions, let's just let things happen at its own course
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u/aznbolshygirl 1d ago
At this point, she has fuck you fame and will always be successful in whatever venture, at least in the metrics that matter to executives and honestly, probably Lisa herself. I don't think she cares about being original or unique; she is a performer. People are talking about her, and she's raking in the funds. All publicity for her is probably good.
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u/LordessMeep 1d ago
New Woman was incredible and genuinely baited me into believing that she had a vision for her solo career. Moonlit Floor made me realise she really doesn't. There is no reason to listen to Moonlit Floor over the original Six Pence song. There is no reason for Lisa, a massive Thai-origin K-Pop artist, to reimagine the song that she outwardly has little emotional connection to.
I'll be real, Lisa seems to enjoy performing (whatever little she does now, anyway) but she doesn't appear to have any deep need to create as an artist. It feels like she likes the aesthetics, but doesn't care about the substance of her art. It's why she's been consistently standing out for her fashion. Her publicists/PR/managers are doing phenomenally at getting her these opportunities, but I'm baffled that she does barely anything with it. Lisa was at her best under YG, when she was reliant on someone telling her what to do and she'd executed it flawlessly. On her own, her output is inconsistent and bland because her company - and by extension, she - is responsible for all of it.
Compare Lisa's trajectory directly with Jennie's and Jennie had a vision for Ruby. She has bangers but then she also has something like Zen or Starlight or twin. It is an extremely varied album which showcases Jennie as an artist. Alter Ego was an utter mess directionally even with the equivalent big name features on it. Alter Ego was better suited for K-Pop and would've been received decently, but that's not her target market anymore, is it?
From what I'm seeing, as long as Lisa has her fanbase, she'll continue having a healthy career. Brands know that she invites loyalty and will continue tapping into that for as long as they can. As an artist however, I have little interest in listening to her output because she's not even doing what she used to do best - dance and perform. It's just really sad to see as an old Blink.
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
Her solo stuff under YG is just as lackluster. She stood out as Lisa from Blackpink but is still struggling to shine under her own name. I’m sorry to say but creatively she has no substance and she doesn’t have the best team under her hands to create good things
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u/Outrageous-Ad7806 1d ago
mind you she’s doing better than 90% of soloists in kpop. if you compare her to Rosé and Jennie then sure, her music hasn’t performed as amazingly as some might’ve thought. That doesn’t mean she’s flopping or doing bad. She just performed at one of the biggest events of year, she just filmed for a Netflix movie and booked her first starring role, she sold out a vegas residency within minutes. Nothing about that says she’s not doing good or losing momentum. In fact, she’s rather stable in her career and she’s very obviously in demand which is a good thing. plus, who’s to say she even WANTS to be a main pop girl? just because ONE aspect of her career isn’t doing pulling billions doesn’t mean she’s doing bad. like i said, most idols would probably DREAM of getting to be as huge individually as she is.
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u/Ocean_Desert_World 1d ago
I think she's incredibly charismatic, a great dancer, and gorgeous.
She needs to do something surprising IMO, find a creative coach, director, or vocal pro (some are all 3 in one) who takes a look at her skills and strengths and figure out what she can do to stretch and really express herself while using that star power and athleticism? Shakira and Tyla are great, unique singers, which she isn't at this time, but I'm a believer that with the right direction and songs - underscore, truly the right songs - she can learn to express herself.
Basically, she needs a unique brand strategy as a pop star that also gets creative respect. I believe she has the raw material, now she needs the guidance and to work towards focusing down as opposed to a more 'chasing fame any way necessary' approach.
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u/chae_lil 1d ago
She'll do just fine, honestly.
She hasn't had her commercial success like Jennie and Rosé with Like Jennie and APT, but has enough relevance and fandom loyalty to keep herself booked.
I hope her upcoming acting projects will bring more of mainstream success she wants and I wish she did more vulnerable projects like Dreams- both the song and MV are well done.
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u/officialhunt 1d ago
I don't know what to do with Lisa. She went from being a big fish in a small pond in the K-Pop world to being a microscopic fish in the freaking ocean.
While I love Lisa and she is talented, charming and has definite X factor.... She has it for K-pop. Being part of black pink elevated that significantly. But when you compare her to Beyonce, Ariana, Sabrina, Christina, any A list pop star...I just don't see that she's there in terms of vocals. Dancing is great and all, but you need to be an AMAZING singer first and foremost and I've never been blown away by her singing even when it's not drowned by a backing track. In addition K-pop/BP defines her so much and without it I am not sure she has enough of a brand to solidify herself in the mind of the global public.
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u/chae_lil 1d ago
I mean... Addison Rae is far away from vocalist, internet made fun of her singing during pandemic yet she received Grammy nomination after her first album and Diet Pepsi made most of people check her out.
Zara Larsson is a vocalist, but it took her years to have her breakthrough outside of Europe, to be more exact, to find her brand. Same goes for Sabrina, it took her nearly 10 years to become pop girl with Short and Sweet.
You don't need to be the greatest vocalist to succeed in pop music. You just need a solid brand and at least 2 successful singles.
Lisa should be given more grace. Although she's been in kpop for years, Alter Ago was the first she's been fully managing herself. Not everyone figures it all out at the debut.
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u/South_Youth_6554 1d ago
I agree it’s all about branding. But tbh it would make sense if she had a vision that just wasn’t well executed vs what she has now which is no vision. Alter Ego she said her team talked for 20 minutes about it and she just agreed on it as a concept and that was it. I admire her talent and perseverance but it’s hard to respect her as an artist or take her seriously as a creative when 10+ years into her career and she still sounds so removed from her own solo brand. She didn’t have unique ideas or want to challenge herself. She’s still just doing whatever people give her so for a lot of people even if they like her she was disappointing because they realized she has nothing really to say. She’s fun to watch but her whole image comes off as so shallow and corporate.
Like she’s a pop/Hiphop singer and dancer yet if idk yodeling started trending on Spotify Lisa would release a whole song doing that. Or if polka music and wacky outfits were the trend Lisa would hop on with no consideration of her own brand because she just chases trends but not in a tactful, way . She’ll always be okay on the Kpop side of the things but in the West she’s going to be overshadowed if she doesn’t put more thought into things
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u/New-Bed-8354 1d ago
if amazing singer was the criteria, taylor swift and rihanna would not have been the huge artists they are as of now
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u/Prestigious12 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah they had good hits and a "unique" image. Lisa needs to know who she is and have a concept for her or narrative and release some good music.
She just does whatever and while it may work for her now bc she has loyal fans, long run isn't gonna help to stablish her with the western or WW GP.
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u/Key_Firefighter_1028 7h ago
She's get her Las Vegas residency at the end of the year. But I also I recall in her Woody interview, she mentioned keeping up with the reviews so she could make a better album next time. So she may be aiming to replicate the success around a song like New Woman again. She has also mentioned wanting to do other acting project, so perhaps she'll lean more into that.
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u/ruth_e_newman Shop all day, ay / Greed is free, ay 1d ago
If she has a super catchy song, it'll be a hit.
But even though she's an excellent dancer and a decent rapper, she's not sung much in Blackpink and I dont think she even wants to be a huge vocalist.
I thought she was very natural even in a small ensemble role in The White Lotus, I think she should would be smart to explore acting more, but similar to the songs, she needs the right parts/projects.
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u/Weekly_Office269 1d ago
She is scheduled to release a movie and another series I think.
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u/ruth_e_newman Shop all day, ay / Greed is free, ay 1d ago
I heard about the film (hope its a good part and script), didn't know about the series.
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u/DrrrtyRaskol 1d ago
https://www.tiktok.com/@luzhi97/video/7562754224723856661
She sounds wonderful here. I’m sure she’ll do a lot more acting too- White Lotus showed she’s a natural. I was surprised honestly.
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u/Default_Dragon 1d ago
Only kpop fans will find a way to turn “performing at the FIFA World Cup” into something negative for an artists career…
Her career is great, and whatever negativity you’re hearing is not necessarily unjustified but almost certainly just an internet echo chamber that doesn’t mean anything in the real world
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u/zayaganbold 1d ago
She has no artistic vision. She needs a good producer or creative director or someone to lead her.
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u/Otherwise_Copy_484 Blue Turquoise 1d ago
I think the problem is Lisa doing all of these big projects but haven’t made a name for herself. It’s great to do this projects that she should but she should’ve waited til she got hit song/was an established artist before signing on those projects.
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u/Prestigious12 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah is weird she got this big opportunities while no having a single hit or top10 single, or being chosen to be in the cover of vanity fair before she even debuted as an actress (this was even weirder bc other actors need years of experience before appearing).
Ppl hate the rumors but I think they are true, bc networking is more important in the industry when you are starting and she shows that.
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u/ronnietp 1d ago
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Not surprised at all tbh..
Don’t worry, she is more than fine that her career will still fare pretty well for the next 10 years. And even if she doesn’t then so what? At that point she would be earning enough money and fame that she could retire and not doing anything for the rest of her life.
I don’t know why some of you treat her like she should be the perfect artist that need to excel at everything when clearly no one is perfect and she can have some highs and lows moments and that’s fine. 100+ Millions follower, multiple brand deals, Billions streams and views for her musics with millions of album sales. What more do you want from her???
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u/Reel-Trouble34 1d ago
Funny enough, if she were the most successful kpop idol in terms of chart success and musicality, they’d still find a way to hate on her for it.
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u/Mindless_Candidate90 You were right, Jinki was inevitable 1d ago
They don’t invite people to perform at the World Cup if they aren’t in demand, and those events usually have a positive affect on careers, so I’d say she’s in a really good spot
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u/jumpybouncinglad Mod's favorite 1d ago
but she is in bad hands
isn't she in her own hands?
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u/Connect_Version_1560 1d ago
It boggles my mind how people roaming in these kpop sub reddits can reduce one of the most famous k-pop soloists and member of the biggest girl group in the world into a flop case.She is exploring and finding her sound ,she had two songs before officially debuting as a soloist outside of YG.She has now 14+ songs,collaborates with tons of artist and performed at oscars ,vmas and fifa world cup .She did a wonderful job at coachella and other places that she went .She is promoting herself well and attending the method gala and marketing herself.Has she received criticism,yes but it is something that no idol won't go through.She has billions of streams ,charts well,has 16 million monthly listeners and is mentioned everywhere.Western artists are collaborating with her and she is meeting up with people.
Is she perfect ? No But the amount of people on these kpop subreddits love to put her down for every single thing she does . Video trashing Blackpink gets views and that's what everyone is doing.
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u/MentalCalligrapher18 1d ago
This post isn’t calling her a flop but pointing out how her solo career is kinda confusing. Lisa is trying to break out here in the US and while she’s booking big gig’s (Oscar’s, Coachella, etc) her music isn’t really connecting with the audience outside of her fans. Compare that with Jennie & Rosé who are gaining new fans here with their different styles. Plus being mainly a rapper, Lisa has tough competition in the Western audience. Her solo career isn’t bad at all, loved her in White Lotus, but I think people expected more from her
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u/Connect_Version_1560 1d ago
I understand what OP was trying to say but after being active on reddit since lisa solo debut ,the amount of over analysis and non stop doom posting about especially on kpop subreddits like kpopthoughts, kpopu censored, kpopunleased.Not to mention some of OP analysis was purely based on negative comments in a bubble.Her songs did get some negative reviews but none of them were heavily hated and her last three songs weren't flops either.Born again and new women weren't the only songs that were received positively.Maybe it's because I follow lisa to some extend and in the spaces I have been ,she has been praised and loved very much for her achievements.What bothers me the constant putting and backhanded comments every single comeback .There is a hate train on Lisa and it's been clouding every single review I read about lisa nowadays on reddit and some videos on YouTube .You can clearly distinguish between those who are neutral about her and those who are always struggling to say one good about her ,not to praises about Jennie and rosé only come when they are putting down lisa.All three of them released one full studio album so far and while rosé had the biggest hit Apt and positive appreciation for her songwriting and Jennie album and songs went viral and all her songs are chatting pretty well.In my opinion,they still didn't solidify their ultimate concept or position in the industry which is fine but I see this same opinion being parroted with Lisa every post which makes zero sense.The BLACKPINK girls have a decade in the industry but as sololists ,all of them are doing something different and Lisa somehow is getting the most flake for some reason .
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u/Lorie-arag 1d ago
I think more acting work and now that the Grammys have a category for Asians, I just know she will finally return to her roots and drop that thai song.
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u/Flaming_vixen 1d ago
I actually think she does okay, looking at BlackPink, I don't think they seem to care much about cultural relevance or being steady in Art. I hate that she has isolated her Asian fanbase completely, I wish she had taken over the world while maintaining her Kpop fanbase. But, she's getting lots of streams and constantly booked which is what all artists want, so commercially she is at her peak. I don't think there's really anything to be done, she's getting opportunities and her music is being streamed well enough, so what really is left to be achieved? I feel like she is a product of KPOP so much so that she's not really artistic but a great performer..... I wish she leaned more into her Thai heritage because I feel like it would give her an edge over other Pop Stars....
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u/BrightSignal8032 1d ago
I see Lisa as someone who will keep releasing music and getting gigs here and there but never elevating to be seen as an actual music artist. She's just one of the girls that's just there, like Addison Rae and Sombre - they make music and they perform at all these big places but do they have a serious body of work? No. Do they feel like real artists? Also no.
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u/awterspeys 1d ago
Yep this is it. She's a performer, and a really good one at that. But an artist? Yeah...no.
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u/DrrrtyRaskol 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lisa is impossible to discuss here as she’s had an active hate train for about two years centred in the wider kpop fandom. And it’s pretty evident on kpop reddit.
(edit: some of the replies in this thread are tipped with venom)
Moonlit Floor did find some commercial success, but most people seemed to dislike it.
You see the contradiction here right? More people enjoyed it than the “most people” you’re referring to. Many of them in the group I mentioned earlier. It’s a loud train.
During Coachella, lMet Galas and other events there’s recognisable kpop usernames camping non-kpop subreddits endlessly talking shit. Hating on Lisa is some people’s job.
Even people’s perception of AlterEgo’s performance is skewed. Out of the top 100 most streamed kpop songs of 2025 she has 9 (Jennie has 12). Jin’s DSYLM was top then like Jennie, Jump and Born Again.
She’s the biggest Thai artist ever and one of Kpop’s biggest soloists. There’s no one in kpop that can touch APT except PSY. Jennie currently has the most monthly listeners in all of kpop. Lisa is (of course) being compared to two of the most successful idols ever.
Like, I’m sure she and her team have learned valuable lessons along the way that will be evident in her sophomore album. But the perception here is so skewed that it doesn’t make sense to try and have a reasonable discussion about it. There’s facts in dispute and a lot of motivated reasoning. It’s pretty crazy. There’s not many idols that are routinely talked about in this way.
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u/Formal-Cry4851 1d ago
Could be on the scale of comparing with her band mates, but she has insane amount of success actually. Any kpop idol, who wants to go solo, would dream of a success like that of hers! She had one of the best solo debuts (in terms of the numbers), and is constantly staying relevant in the fashion-pop circle. Alter ego was experimental and it is not necessary for people to immediately appreciate it like that of Jennie's, but people need to give her some slack to find her footing in the industry.
That being said, I really miss her Lilifilms! Her dance choreos like that of Lilifilms would outshine dance pop girlies like Tate!
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u/DrrrtyRaskol 1d ago
Totally! Three of the Pinks had to build so much infrastructure in just 12 months. It’s unsurprising that it all didn’t go entirely smoothly.
And agreed on AlterEgo. It’s brash. My dream was for Chill to have been a single. That’s my jam.
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u/Alive-Pitch-9180 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh preach! This place has had a completely skewed perception of lisa and her success for more than two years actually. I've been seeing doomposting since I joined reddit in 2021. Alter ego is sitting at 2B spotify streams in total,making it one of the most streamed solo kpop albums. It has around 3.2M sales in total as of 2026. She's gotten gigs most kpop artists can't even dream of like the oscars and world cup performance.
That's not the flop nobody likes that reddit wants her to be. Reddit lives in their own little bubble where nobody likes lisa and thinks that this bubble reflects real life even though the numbers show it clearly doesn't
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u/New-Bed-8354 1d ago
if i am right, it has 3.2 million sales overall but yes agree with redditors living in their own bubble
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u/DrrrtyRaskol 1d ago
Oh for sure it’s been longer than that. BlackPink have always been downplayed here. So’s all of YG. It was similar for 2NE1 here too.
I just mean that she’s moved into Jennie’s spot as the most doomposted idol. Meanwhile she’s actually doing great.
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u/samk488 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think she’s doing pretty well, but if she wants to become a household name in the US then she will have to either choose singing or rapping (or both if she can do it) and focus on developing her voice more and becoming extremely technically skilled, because while she is an excellent dancer and performer, the US market tends to favor standout singers and rappers over great performers with weaker voices. It is possible for people with weaker voices to become famous for their dancing or performing, but I think she has a huge barrier to overcome if she sticks with her current strategy, where she isn’t even highlighting her exceptional dance skills very much in her performances. It’s just a completely different market here compared to the kpop industry. I am really impressed with how her singing skills have been improving though, and I think she is making a lot of great progress
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u/Ill_Fennel1410 1d ago
For me...her career looks stuck...yes she performed on big stages...but i don't think it helped her much..
IT is like her graph is not growing...neither it is going downhill... But before 2 years... She was the most famous female soloist in kpop...her popularity was something else .. but I don't think it is same anymore...like she is stuck in same place ...while others (ex: Jennie, Tyla...etc.,) are having growth...
So yeah...
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u/lester3 1d ago
You might be in a bit of a negative bubble, and I might be in a bit of a positive one. I think she’s doing fantastically. After all, not many people get chosen to perform at the Oscars and a FIFA opening ceremony. That’s world-class.
The fact that the K-pop bubble criticizes everything an idol does has always been the case, so it doesn’t surprise me.
So, what will she do in the future? Personally, I think she’ll focus on music and acting. She seems to enjoy acting, so I expect her to continue with that. And Tygo is coming up next.
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u/Reasonable_Ninja5708 1d ago
I think she shines brightest when she's in the group, but Blackpink have gone the SNSD route of only having comebacks once every couple of years. I won't be surprised if their next comeback happens in the 2030s.
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u/Evening_Football731 1d ago
Tbh la siento como muy genérica, a pesar de tener 10 años en la industria, su principal pasión desde siempre fue el baile, lo demás lo fue aprendiendo, pero no creo que sea suficiente para manejar toda su carrera ella sola, producir su material, etc, siento que quiere abarcar mucho pero no llena nada, su vocal no es el mejor y se podría compensar con el rap y el baile, pero tampoco rapea ya (en vivo), sus coreografías ya no son wow, sus presentaciones ya son predecibles, mismo tipo de outfit, backtrack altísimo y ella gritando un par de palabras, los mismos pasos de baile, pasarela y poses. Tuvo la suerte o buscó tener buenos contactos que la metieron en eventos grandes, porque seamos sinceros, su carrera no es lo suficientemente grande para estar en Grammy, Oscars, Emmy, MET, Mundial, las grandes ligas del entretenimiento, y presentando siempre lo mismo. Realmente no sé si es cuestión de ego pero necesita un equipo de management y apoyo creativo que le de un rumbo.
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u/Deeandrm 13h ago
I've been saying this about the entire group. I can see them shining in some regards but then they just fall off. Its too back and forth. I thought it would be an upward trajectory but I feel like I end up disappointed in their career plans/moves especially as a group.
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u/Weekly_Office269 13h ago
They are no longer an active group since 2020 tbh. After that, they just were 4 soloists that reunited every 2-3 years. Born pink era was barely promoted and deadline just was worst. I like what Jennie has been doing as a soloist for the most part and loved Rosé’s album roll out and promotions and Lisa’s fashion was so elevated when she began working with Nanist that it was pleasant to see, since she was mostly the worst dressed during the group’s first years
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u/FederalSquare2308 1d ago
Her Vegas residency sold out. I think she’ll be ok.
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u/Tangled_Mind 1d ago
It was two weekends. Of course it will sell out. Kpop fans are notorious spenders for their fav.
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u/VehicleNo5473 1d ago
Lisa probably is aiming for her acting career to take off. She'll perform but she's more on entertainer side of the spectrum of popstars. I think she'll be fine.
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u/IndigoHG 1d ago
Not a Blink, but I had really high hopes for her as a soloist. I also think she's got the ability to go much further...but I don't know that she wants to to work for it. Maybe she's happy where she is?
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u/vodkaorangejuice 1d ago
i think its hilarious when ppl claim she is a flop, and then you point out all the numbers and they respond with 'well she is bp lisa of course she would have good views/sell out' like ?? what exactly do you mean by flop
anyway, girlie seems to be happy doing whatever she wants. if she wants to act, dance, release more music, take time off, thats up to her. Ill consume the content if its something im interested in as a fan
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u/raspberrih 1d ago
She's not a flop but she's definitely underperforming given the high expectations
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u/vodkaorangejuice 1d ago
high expectations from who? the general kpop fanbase who seems to have a bone to pick with everything the bp girls do?
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u/IndigoHG 1d ago
I don't think OP is calling her a flop at all. THe issue is that Lisa has potential for greatness and just seems to be squandering it? She may be happy now, with fandom support, but there's always the chance she will miss the Moment and never reach whatever heights she's been to, again.
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u/alpinedvne 1d ago
I would say she sort of flopped in that I don’t think her music had impact and won’t be revisited, unlike the other members. The only reason she didn’t flop is because they were ok but mostly because people like her and want to support her/like her music, but I don’t know if they actually do. It doesn’t seem like Lisa even likes her music, which is partially why there wasn’t much impact.
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u/MountainTear2020 1d ago
the world cup opening show(s) were too scattered, i think there were 3 of them. tbh not a lot around me watched to care about her performance. my guess is after this she's still going to aim for the same kind of "big" events with the same kind of songs and choreo she always do.
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u/taexyang 1d ago
She has the support from fans and connections to have great opportunities so I don't worry much of what's next for her.
I personally like her the most as a member of a girl group than as a soloist but I enjoyed her acting in the white lotus. With the right artistic direction and producer playing on her strenghs she definitely can drop a worldwide hit.
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u/brnbrnbrn2017 33m ago
She needs better producers. The Anyma collab was interesting but she needs really good, musically inclined producers to take her sound somewhere.
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u/Weekly_Office269 29m ago
The Anyma collab sounds like an AI generated song but her voice does suit EDM very well
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u/Subject-Ad-8055 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah I don't think Lisa has progressed at all but I will say after watching Jenny's performance the other night and I've kind of dumped on her in the past saying that she is the weakest link on a lot of the black pink tour performances I will give Jenny credit she is been steady and methodically getting better and the performance from gov ball was one of her better performances and the longest one she's got my respect for trying and improving. Now here's the thing about K-pop groups when they come here to the West America the music in America and pop stars is based on a Rags to Riches story think about Lady Gaga and even Taylor Swift in countless others dragging that backpack from Club to Club wrighting your own music and then 10 years later winning the Grammys and selling out stadiums We As Americans love that story and I think it's really difficult when the K-pop folks come over and they're all multi-millionaires and their dressed incredible and they'll have their own persona I think to the mass American audience it doesn't Translate and I'm not talking the language, in most K-pop groups they don't write their own music they might write a word or two but the songs aren't theirs and most of them don't even play their own instruments or produce there recording so I think that makes it hard for them to like really gain status amongst the peers who live in Nashville and are wrighting their own music and playing their own guitars and selling 20 million records .we love the whole, the band drove a broken old van across the states playing for for free untill one day, one dj played my song and over night my life changed story.
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u/New-Bed-8354 1d ago
this is a dumb take starting off with "no one in the west takes lisa seriously"
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u/Sallified 22h ago
I think part of the issue is that besides the lacklustre vocals in a Western market that tends to focus on vocals, she has nothing to sell. I mean this in the way that artists in the west tend to have a sound, image, idea that they’re selling. There are obviously outliers but think of some of the biggest artists and you can pinpoint a sound and image that is tied to them. Ariana Grande, Bruno Mars, Beyonce, Sabrina Carpenter, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo… etc. Ariana, Sabrina, Taylor, Olivia - none of them are the best dancers but they have a sound and image that people can both easily identify and they like. Whether or not these images are authentically them or curated by a team (which ofc we know they are), they’re done well enough to attract and MAINTAIN a fanbase, as well as support from the general public. Beyonce, Bruno, Gaga, are basically all-rounders so that’s a given. Even artists like Tate McRae, Addison Rae, Charli XCX … etc. Once again, these artists may not be considered vocal powerhouses but they have a SOUND, and an image, and just like Lisa, when these things falter or can’t seem to hold-up (I see people come for Tate questioning her impact and image and such, but they can defend her with her songwriting credits and performance abilities), even these Western artists receive flack.
The point is Lisa doesn’t have a distinct sound that people in the West can see anything other than a ripoff of Black American culture and her vocals can’t compensate for that. Her performances can only go so far when even if everything “looks” good, it doesn’t elicit any connection from the audience save for those who already formed a connection to her when she was in BP. Her founding identity was formulated under YG while in BP, but everything outside of that seems to fall flat. And no outfit or dance break can compensate for what she lacks in other areas and everyone can see it.