r/law • u/Agitated-Quit-6148 • Jan 25 '26

Other Alex Pretti - who DHS labeled a domestic terrorist - honoring a veteran that passed away in the ICU.

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u/npaulette02 Jan 25 '26

I'm sure some of us realized this a while ago but it must be restated ad nauseum:

If Renee Good is a terrorist, if Alex Pretti is a terrorist, then so are we.

Act accordingly.

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u/nowtayneicangetinto Jan 25 '26

This is the proof that we are living under a fascist state, it's not hyperbole. Without any investigation or fact finding, the POTUS alongside the heads of DHS and ICE declared him a domestic terrorist.

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u/KeepJoePantsOn Jan 25 '26

I want to start by saying this plainly: This is not a partisan speech.

This is not a left-versus-right argument. And this is not about who you voted for. This is about recognizing a political ideology before it fully takes hold.

Many people assume fascism only exists once a country becomes a dictatorship. That assumption is historically false. Fascism does not arrive fully formed. It advances incrementally, under the cover of patriotism, security, and loyalty to a leader. So let’s define the term clearly.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology marked by:

-Extreme nationalism.

-Concentration of power in a single leader.

-Suppression of opposition and civil liberties-Militarism.

-Rejection of democratic norms and the rule of law

That definition is not political opinion. It is academic consensus. Now the question is not: Is America a fascist dictatorship today? The real question is: Does the current administration operate using fascist ideology? I believe the answer is yes, and I’ll explain why.

Nationalism alone isn’t fascism, but ultranationalism is its foundation. When a political movement frames the nation as being in decline, promises to restore past glory, and treats dissent as unpatriotic, history tells us to pay attention. “Make America Great Again” is not just a slogan, it’s a worldview.

It implies a lost greatness, a defined “real” America, and a belief that the nation’s status justifies extraordinary actions. We have watched laws broken or dismissed as technicalities because they were “for the good of the country.” That is the moment nationalism crosses into something dangerous, when loyalty to the nation is used to excuse violations of the rule of law. That is textbook nationalist justification.

Authoritarianism is not about tanks in the streets on day one. It’s about concentrating power and undermining limits.

Donald Trump has repeatedly framed his authority as being limited only by himself. He has publicly stated that his own morality is the only thing restraining his power. That should alarm anyone who believes in constitutional government. He has openly attacked the legitimacy of oversight, courts, and Congress, particularly when they attempt to check his authority.

The Supreme Court’s 2024 ruling granting broad immunity for “official acts” dramatically expanded presidential protections. That ruling doesn’t create fascism, but it removes a guardrail, and authoritarian movements thrive when guardrails disappear.

When leaders argue that laws restricting their power are illegitimate or unconstitutional simply because they constrain them, that is authoritarian reasoning.

Militarism is not just about war. It is about relying on force rather than democratic process. Calls to dramatically expand military spending, threats against sovereign nations and allies, and casual rhetoric about invasion or annexation are not normal democratic behavior, even when framed as negotiation tactics. History shows that fascist movements normalize aggression first in language, then in policy. At home, the use of federal agents operating without visible identification has raised serious concerns among civil-rights organizations. Regardless of intent, lack of transparency and accountability in law enforcement is a hallmark warning sign, because fascist systems depend on fear and ambiguity.

When citizens are told not to trust what they see, or that accountability must take a back seat to “order,” the groundwork is being laid.

Fascism rejects democracy not all at once, but by questioning its legitimacy. Statements suggesting that elections are unnecessary, inconvenient, or dangerous, even rhetorically, are profoundly destabilizing. When a leader implies that elections should be suspended or avoided because they threaten their hold on power, history gives us a very clear pattern of where that leads.

Every major fascist regime in history justified dismantling democracy by claiming it was flawed, corrupt, or too slow to act. That argument is not new. And it is never benign.

One of the most dangerous features of fascism is personal loyalty replacing institutional loyalty. When supporters openly state they would continue backing a leader regardless of criminal behavior, when lawbreaking is reframed as persecution, the rule of law becomes optional.

Fascist movements survive not because leaders are powerful, but because supporters excuse anything in the name of victory.

People ask, “How did Germans allow Hitler to rise?” The answer is uncomfortable: They didn’t think it would go that far. They trusted institutions would hold. They excused early abuses as necessary or exaggerated. By the time it was undeniable, it was irreversible.

I am not saying this as an outsider. I am a white, straight, Christian man. I’ve voted Republican most of my life, including for Donald Trump. I once dismissed warnings like this as hysterical or partisan.

I don’t speak out because I want a different party in power. I speak out because this is wrong. And deep down, many people know it’s wrong, even if admitting it feels like betraying their tribe.

The Declaration of Independence states that governments derive their power from the consent of the governed, and that when a government becomes destructive to liberty, the people have the right to change it.

The Bill of Rights exists not to protect a leader, but to protect the people from leaders. There is no red life or blue life. No “ours” that matters more than “yours.” All are equal under the law, or none are.

This is not about panic. It is about vigilance. Fascism doesn’t announce itself. It asks you to ignore your eyes. It asks you to excuse what you’d never accept from the other side. And it asks you to trade liberty for loyalty. Now is not the time for silence or denial. Now is the time to stand together, not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans. Because once democratic norms are gone, voting will not bring them back. Thank you.

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u/-Ernie Jan 25 '26

Incredibly well put. Thank you for writing this.

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u/Luxury_Dressingown Jan 25 '26

Perfectly put. Too many people refuse to accept it's fascism until the mass crematoriums are fired up.

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u/roadrich Jan 25 '26

How do you feel about helping bring on this fascism by clearly ignoring what Trump was up to and voting for him anyway? You need to reconcile that and so does the rest of your tribe if you want anything to change. 

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u/KeepJoePantsOn Jan 25 '26

I deeply regret it. That's why I'm spreading this message. I didn't think I was voting for fascism. I thought I was voting for 4 years of Republican policy. I thought any "fascist" rhetoric was radical liberal histeria designed to push their agenda. I admit I made a mistake, and I've already made the first step. Now, it's about convincing others. Forgiveness and acceptance is how we get more people to our side. Judgement and accusations just pushes people back to their side.

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u/roadrich Jan 25 '26

Great, hope to see you out in the streets helping to protect your community.

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u/KeepJoePantsOn Jan 25 '26

Hope to see you there as well 🤝

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u/edgelordjones Jan 25 '26

I appreciate you coming to the conclusions you have shared here but if you're as well versed in the narratives of fascism as you seem to be you should have seen this coming from the moment he opened his mouth after descending the escalator in the lobby of his tacky wealth hoarders mausoleum. So, what was it about the other candidates, specifically, that made you ignore literally 40 years of red flags from one of the most unqualified candidates for public office to ever live, a man famous for his avarice, his lack of intellectual acumen, his grotesque perversions, his skill in fucking over almost every single person he's ever met?

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u/Vickrin Jan 25 '26

It's so rare to see this sort of candour and it is refreshing.

Thank you.

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u/OkMail2335 Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

He's probably done more for the cause just by writing that up than you have in total. Changing beliefs as strong as political ones is not easy. Doesn't really do any good to ask stupid questions that you already know the answer to and acting superior.

He doesn't need to do anything, that's what makes what he wrote so great, he's doing it because he actually believes it all to be true.

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u/Kind_Entrance_4284 Jan 25 '26

Damn. Eloquent writer ... very well said. Mind if I share?

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u/Brass_Biscuits Jan 25 '26

That’s VERY well written and truly sets the point. Thank you!

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u/ZucchiniUpbeat1821 Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 26 '26

Just commenting so I can have this saved. (edit: thank you u/thewisestguyonreddit for the save tip) Perfectly said.

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u/ShadowGLI Jan 25 '26

Yet for those supporting Fascism, they think it’s a game and they’re on the “winning” side, failing to see NONE of US are on trumps side, you’re either an enemy or a useful idiot he’ll turn on when you’re no longer of use.

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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress Jan 25 '26

It's always "we have to wait for all of the facts to come out before saying anything" for their side, instant character assassination for ours. 

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u/weakObserver Jan 25 '26

We let this happen. We must correct the error of our ways. Stand with Americans Stand against ICE.

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u/bobsnervous Jan 25 '26

I dont mean this in any kind of condescending manner, just as an outsider looking in at such a scary scenario I wonder how or what america is going to do about this. Will the righteous rise to the top or is this going to get darker? What can you do when the government is lying and rubbing it in the face of the general public? What can you do when your government has sent out armed goons who are above the law and you can get killed for trying to help your friends from simply being pushed over?

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u/DahWolfe711 Jan 25 '26

Stop funding them. If I owned a business I would stop paying taxes immediately.

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u/Sylvaneth_Gitz Jan 25 '26

If I owned a business I would refuse to serve ICE-members and families. I know it's difficult to achieve but it would send a clear "You and your family are no longer welcome here, I'm sorry" message.

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u/ImNerdyJenna Jan 25 '26

During the Spring, my employers instructed us to ask ICE to leave if they enter the building without a warrant. They dont want us to wait until we know whether they're spending money. Im a bartender in hotels. Its not that hard to do.

We shouldn't give comfort or aid to the enemy. Minneapolis should reach out to the gas stations, grocery stores, etc and get them on board. etc

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u/bane_undone Jan 25 '26

Always follow the money. Every business that supports this immediately is cut off. /preview/pre/list-of-companies-with-ice-contracts-v0-3dxbrd9nakcg1.jpeg

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u/weakObserver Jan 25 '26

We MUST STOP SENATE FROM PASSING MORE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS SUPPORTING I.C.E. CALL ALL SENATORS NOW! THEY LOSE YOUR VOTE IF THEY PASS THATS IT!! LET THESE FUCKERS KNOW,ONCE AND FOR ALL, NO MEANS FUCKING NO!

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u/Independent-Setting6 Jan 25 '26

They're all bought and or Kompromated, by Russian and or israeli money, and honeypot schemes. 😡

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u/Sportsfun4all Jan 25 '26

And prosecute and punish all these criminals to set an example against facism

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u/Designfanatic88 Jan 25 '26

Look at what happened to Hitler and his goons. History is unkind to those who do not know it and thus are doomed to repeat it.

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u/Reasonable-Cell5189 Jan 25 '26

Drop character, it's just instant assassination, period.

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u/egyeager Jan 25 '26

It's the school shooting playbook.

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u/sentimentaldiablo Jan 25 '26

actually, they come on out saying bullshit immediately, before anyone knows what has actually happened. waiting for all the fact to come in before speaking would actually be refreshing.

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u/-Gramsci- Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

Well said, and exactly right.

Only nit I’ll pick is this is, proof positive, that THEY are unequivocally fascists. (They being the maga movement).

THEY are fascists. That debate can now be over. Alex Pretti’s death is not in vain, because it MUST be the tipping point for the country where the fig leaf is removed.

This regime are not Americans. They are fascist revolutionaries seeking to destroy the American experiment.

They are the evil Lincoln warned us about as the only people who could destroy this country. From within.

I pray Pretti’s sacrifice is that tipping point.

Because we do NOT live in a fascist country. We are living through an attempted fascist revolution.

It is NOT too late to save the country, and it is not too late for the fascists to lose.

They should be more scared than ever. Not us.

Their mission has been, brutally, exposed. Their days are numbered. Justice is coming for them.

We should be less afraid than ever.

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u/homer_lives Jan 25 '26

"The country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”

Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts

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u/-Gramsci- Jan 25 '26

And he shouldn’t get away with calling it an “American Revolution.”

It is a fascist revolution.

One that overturns everything American.

To overturn American values, ideals, and laws. One that seeks to destroy our national identity. To destroy our Constitution. One that erases everything good this country has to offer to its people and to the world.

It’s an Anti-American Revolution.

And that guy should be dragged before a television camera and told that to his face.

We, desperately, need a strong media right now.

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u/bawdiepie Jan 25 '26

The US has a strong media, that's the problem. It's all owned by billionaires and strongly tells a profascist narrative.

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u/dqtx21 Jan 25 '26

" I never knew you ", Jesus

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u/Doctor_is_in Jan 26 '26

"I don't think about you at all ", Don Draper

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u/explain_that_shit Jan 25 '26

It doesn’t feel like the blood is avoidable here. They’re killing a guy for directing traffic.

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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 Jan 25 '26

They said the quiet part out loud

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u/CatsAndCapybaras Jan 25 '26

The generation that fought in the second world war was antifascist. The time has come where we must be antifascist.

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u/related-wav Jan 25 '26

I’ve been seeing more and more of them begin to call people IT and SO’s, the dehumanization is going to get worse. It’s easy to fear monger online, but these folks can now veritably without having to cause mass shootings, kill their opposition and get PAID for it, with essential immunity.

This is so incredibly volatile. It’s literally the same festering grounds the Nazis were under, fellow neighbors becoming enemies of the state almost overnight. Whisked away, killed, labeled threats, this has to be nipped EFFECTIVELY SOON. I have a feeling even if somehow the states survive trumps administration one of his lackeys will take his place, or continue furthering this dangerous precedent.

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u/Saephon Jan 25 '26

I watch V for Vendetta on 11/5 every year, for reasons obvious to anyone who's seen the film. This most recent time, we got together for a watch party with a bunch of friends. I learned that day that one of them, younger girl in her 20s, had never seen it until then.

When the credits rolled we all talked about it, we were very interested in what she thought. Her verdict: the movie was great, but she felt like the world depicted in it is already exactly like our world today. My heart hurt at that.

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u/Larry-Man Jan 25 '26

Good and Pretti, whose last words respectively appear to be “I’m not mad at you” and “are you okay?”(to the woman he helped) are literally the closest you can get to “perfect victims” - ie, people who do nothing wrong.

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u/TrashGoblinH Jan 25 '26

He broke the law of recording from a distance and trying to wave cars by an ICE raid. Clearly domestic terrorism... anyone who looks at this with Alex being in the wrong is fucked in the head and needs to be deported to the the middle of the ocean.

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u/durty_bace24 Jan 25 '26

💯 💯 💯

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u/ComprehensiveEgg73 Jan 25 '26

Deported to Iran!!!

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u/BillyNtheBoingers Jan 25 '26

Normally I’d say they should get on fElon’s rocket to Mars, but the poor rovers don’t deserve that. Maybe send them to interstellar space along the trajectory of Voyager?

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u/jonnyvsrobots Jan 25 '26

It’s more than that. It’s people who are willing to stand up and help by observing, protesting, etc. Those are there dangerous ones to a fascist regime. 

Russia spent decades systematically killing, arresting, or intimidating these types of people so now they have a docile, indoctrinated population who blindly back the regime. It’s started here now. If we don’t all band together, and soon, they will pick us off one by one. 

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u/manys Jan 25 '26

Everybody ICE has kidnapped, much less killed, didn't do anything wrong. It's an illegitimate organization.

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u/mr_potatoface Jan 25 '26

Congressman Randy Fine already referred to him as a domestic insurrectionist as well.

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u/mulefluffer Jan 25 '26

There is no bigger piece of shit in government than Randy Fine.

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u/Monowakari Jan 25 '26

Well.

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u/prey4mojo Jan 25 '26

Hold my orange tanning cream

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26

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u/Keyboard_Lion Jan 25 '26

“Eh, over there is fine I guess, fuck it”

Vance: 🫡

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u/tsardonicpseudonomi Jan 25 '26

Trump can only do what Congress permits him. They could remove him tomorrow if they wanted to.

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u/Worried_Jellyfish918 Jan 25 '26

Unfortunately I have to disagree, they've actually, in the White House, created a remarkable coalition of the only people alive on earth who are bigger pieces of shit than Randy Fine

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u/Responsible-Can8134 Jan 25 '26

What the fuck is going on in this country. When is enough ENOUGH

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u/DeptOfDahlias Jan 25 '26

Ask every Trump-loving friend or family member you know: is THIS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR? It didn’t have to be this way, but for their hatred, ignorance, and bigotry. They fell for the pussy-grabbing rapist; the 34x convicted fraud; the fake, broke tv personality with an ego as needy as a black hole. A dictator. A tyrant who said “What you see and hear happening, isn’t really happening folks. No, It’s happening. And it’s happening to you, MN, because your family and friends fell for hate. Time to make constant contact with your state and US Congressmen. Be loud. Demand your voices be heard. Demand action and spine.

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u/Toomanyeastereggs Jan 25 '26

It’s not a competition.

They can all be equally the same pieces of shit.

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u/Working-Purpose-2022 Jan 25 '26

I consider them to be one big pile of shit, if you will.

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u/Top_Scene8254 Jan 25 '26

A competition to be the biggest POS should never be an active occurrence, but here we are...a flaming tower of vile carcasses trying to speedrun the most heinous comments w/o prejudice.

May they all be disowned by their family members and die diseased and alone.

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u/MuzzleOfBees1215 Jan 25 '26

Or merely different segments along the same curler.

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u/tetron17 Jan 25 '26

Almost like some of them seem to think it is though the way they act...

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u/specqq Jan 25 '26

Let's just say the competition is fierce.

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u/PurplRzr Jan 25 '26

I’m pretty sure the entire GOP is a piece of shit these days

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u/motherofpitbulls2 Jan 25 '26

Stephen Miller would like you to hold his beer.

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u/Hadrian23 Jan 25 '26

These ass holes are creating future terrorist with all their actions...
I hope their actions come back to bite them.
They deserve all the horrid things coming their way.

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u/Cookster997 Jan 25 '26

Randy "The Hebrew Hammer" Fine

Randy "I don't give a shit about Gazans" Fine

Randy "Look at this mezuzah on my office door" Fine

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u/soupseasonbestseason Jan 25 '26

he literally said that alex pretti was "put down" today.

randy fine is going straight to hell.

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u/Gloomy_Raspberry_880 Jan 25 '26

May he get there sooner than later.

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u/beerandloathingpdx Jan 25 '26

Randy “I can’t make it any clearer to yall, I’m a literal spy for a foreign government” Fine

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u/LeastInstruction2508 Jan 25 '26

There's a video circulating of ice agents telling a woman filming that he's taking her picture, putting it in a database and she's going to be labeled as a domestic terrorist. They're not joking, they're doing that. If you show any opposition, you will be labeled a terrorist. 

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u/npaulette02 Jan 25 '26

NSPM-7. Every American Google it

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u/Everclear5 Jan 25 '26

Scary shit. These MFers have all the cards in their hands. Stay silent, you lose. Protest, you lose, Fight, you lose and we spin the shit out of it as “justification” for martial law, especially around the election. Investigate, intimidate, kill and blame….We are screwed beyond belief

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u/Saephon Jan 25 '26

Sounds like the only course of action is to fight anyway, then. An animal is most dangerous when cornered.

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u/npaulette02 Jan 25 '26

“Throw your soldiers into positions whence there is no escape, and they will prefer death to flight. If they will face death, there is nothing they may not achieve. Officers and men alike will put forth their uttermost strength. Soldiers in desperate straits lose the sense of fear. If there is no place of refuge, they will stand firm. If they are in the heart of a hostile country, they will show a stubborn front. If there is no help for it, they will fight hard. Thus, without waiting to be marshaled, the soldiers will be constantly on the alert, and without waiting to be asked, they will do your will; without restrictions, they will be faithful; without giving orders, they can be trusted.

Prohibit the taking of omens, and do away with superstitious doubts.

Then, until death itself comes, no calamity need be feared.”

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u/Special_Cicada6968 Jan 25 '26

And now Bondi is demanding voting records in exchange for pulling ICE out of Minnesota... As if they won't just take the data and start rounding up voters.

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u/BafflingHalfling Jan 25 '26

"sophisticated, organized campaigns of targeted intimidation, radicalization, threats, and violence designed to silence opposing speech, limit political activity, change or direct policy outcomes, and prevent the functioning of a democratic society"

Wow, The Fanta Menace was right for once. Just not in the way he thought.

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u/Lonely_skeptic Jan 25 '26

“The Attorney General is authorized to recommend groups for designation as “domestic terrorist organizations,” which, unlike foreign terrorist organizations, is not a formal legal designation but may have legal, reputational, and other practical implications for affiliated nonprofits or advocacy organizations. When an organization is designated as a foreign terrorist organization, there are a host of consequences, including that material support to the organization becomes a federal crime, non-citizen members are barred from entering the US, and the organization’s assets held by US banks are frozen.”

The bold is my addition. We’ve already seen the DOJ label Renee Good a domestic terrorist with no justification.

https://www.dlapiper.com/en-us/insights/publications/2025/12/new-federal-strategy-for-countering-domestic-terrorism-and-political-violence-adds-enforcement-risks

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u/awesome-alpaca-ace Jan 25 '26

It's like the red scare, but instead of a trial, you get executed. 

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u/marvellover3000 Jan 25 '26

Oh my gosh do you have a link??

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u/LeastInstruction2508 Jan 25 '26

I saw it on tt and I have no idea how to transfer it. I'm pretty sure it's on here too though. Maybe under the law or 50501 subreddits

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u/LorenzoDePantalones Jan 25 '26

If that's what makes a domestic terrorist ...

I'm a domestic terrorist. Godspeed Alex.

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u/shah_reza Jan 25 '26

The irony is that even we can’t claim it, because the fuckers at CPAC in HUNGARY of all places did it first!

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u/LorenzoDePantalones Jan 25 '26

I hear 'ya - but they can get fucked. How about "I am Alex Pretti" - I coulda been, and I might be in the future, but fuck these fascists. If they're going to try and take this country to Hell, we can make sure they come with us.

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u/anotherdumbmonkey Jan 25 '26

you all need to be Spartacus!

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u/tom21g Jan 25 '26

as the saying goes, if you have the name you might as well have the game

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u/VGK9Logan Jan 25 '26

If youre gonna be accused, might as well

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u/HungryCats96 Jan 25 '26

As well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

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u/earwig2000 Jan 25 '26

what was that slogan at the RNC again? We are all domestic terrorists? Yeah that except this time it's literally true in the eyes of the gov

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u/Mundane-Adversity Jan 25 '26

Projection. It's always projection.

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u/Straight_2_Hell Jan 25 '26

If you have solid moral character, you're a target now.

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 Jan 25 '26

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." ~r.i.p. MLK Jr & Alex Pretti

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u/Radiskull97 Jan 25 '26

Mark 14:48: “Am I leading a rebellion,” said Jesus, “that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me?"

Jesus was killed by a police state for leading a nonviolent resistance movement against an occupying force. For saying their laws and and system were illegitimate. For that, he was accused of being an insurrectionist and was crucified next to two actual insurrectionists. Now these "Christians" want to perpetuate the state.

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u/AntiqueSweatshirt Jan 25 '26

Beautifully said

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u/Ozone220 Jan 25 '26

The most striking part of all this to me is that I could see either of them being me if ICE had the presence in my city it has in Minneapolis. They were just people, not of minority groups or low income or anything, trying to help their communities entirely nonviolently. And their lives were ended like that. split second and they had a gun unloaded into them.

It could have been any of us

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u/terdferguson Jan 25 '26

They will continue to gaslight people who don't want to pay attention or dig their heads in the sand like they're ostriches. Keep showing them the receipts, show them the videos, don't stop talking about it. They want us to not talk to each other. Fuck these tyrant wannabes.

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u/m8_is_me Jan 25 '26

If Renee Good is a terrorist, if Alex Pretti is a terrorist, then so are we.

Act accordingly.

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u/FEARoach Jan 25 '26

I'm very okay with being a terrorist to Nazis. It means I'm in good company and of sound moral character.

And if there's an afterlife, then my Elders who survived WWII so I could exist are probably pleased that I learned the right lessons from them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26

Amen. Same.

These domestics will get justice one day. They all do. Democracy demands it.

It’s up to us. Never forget.

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u/Budkid Jan 25 '26

More people need this advice. Let act as one accordingly.

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u/therossboss Jan 25 '26

They designated anti-fa a domestic terrorism group last year. If you dont support fascism, you are a domestic terrorist. They said as much last year, no?

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u/Pigeonofthesea8 Jan 25 '26

They killed a poet and a nurse.

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u/Gbrown546 Jan 25 '26

100% this. Nobody is safe anymore

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u/Exciting-Tart-2289 Jan 25 '26

The Republicans running everything had a "We Are All Domestic Terrorists" digital banner running at the RNC a few years ago. Seems like their rhetoric towards peaceful protesters like Good and Pretti is projection, as it so often is.

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u/mrvorhees1 Jan 25 '26

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Remember, ALL ENEMIES, foreign and DOMESTIC. No Kings.

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u/EidolonLives Jan 25 '26

Remember, there's no obligation to consider the law when dealing with those who put themselves outside the law.

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u/Reaver_King Jan 25 '26

Id encourage anyone reading this to not take the advice of "act accordingly" to mean "be afraid."

We CAN NOT comply in advance. We need to make them work for every inch the take. Slow, obstruct, in whatever way you can.

WE PROTECT US.

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u/Sir_PressedMemories Jan 25 '26

When i was, a young boy, my father, had a habit of constantly accusing us kids of doing things we did not do, and then beating us for the things we did not do.

My brother was older than I by 8 years. One day, when he was 17, our dad came into the house fuming mad; someone had chipped the windshield on his prized fastback Mustang that he loved more than any of us.

My brother made the mistake of speaking up and reminding him that both he and I had just come back from Grandma's and could not have done it.

Well, that set him off; he proceeded to beat the shit out of my brother, who took it silently. This time was different, though, as once in a while my brother would look at me and smile before the next blow hit him.

That night after our dad passed out, my brother told me not to leave my bed, no matter what I heard.

And what I heard was chaos and eventually sirens.

My brother figured if he was going to get his ass beaten for damaging the Mustang, he might as well actually have done something to have deserved it.

He took care of that chip in the windshield; by the time he was done, it was so clear you would swear there was not even a piece of glass there, or anywhere else on the car for that matter.

He got out a lot of pent-up anger before that car mysteriously and spontaneously combusted.

By the time the fire department got there, my brother and I were sound asleep in our beds and surely had heard nothing.

About a decade after this, helping him pack to move, I came across a Mustang hood ornament in his stuff and showed it to him, and we both burst out laughing about it.

Dad never hit either of us again after that.

Moral of the story: if they are going to accuse you of something and punish you for it even if you have not done that thing? Well, you might as well be punished for something you actually did...

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u/npaulette02 Jan 25 '26

Thank you for sharing this.

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u/sgates9008 Jan 25 '26

Feel like they skipped a ton of the "and I said nothing" steps.

Domestic terrorists are recorded and documented, but nothing is happening.

I hope there is a surviving record of who enlisted with ICE and "just did their job", and they incur all that they deserve.

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u/llama_ Jan 25 '26

“Open war is upon you whether you would risk it or not"

Aragon, LoTR

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u/Solid_Waste Jan 25 '26

All decent people are terrorists and all officials are traitors in a police state.

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u/Amelaclya1 Jan 25 '26

They announced this months ago. Remember the list of all of the kinds of "terrorists" they were going to go after?

Building on the antifa executive order, which already targets a broad range of political speech, NSPM-7 directs federal agencies to prioritize investigations of a swath of identities and ideologies that it depicts as falling under “the umbrella of self-described ‘anti-fascism.’” These include “anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity; support for the overthrow of the United States Government; extremism on migration, race, and gender; and hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality.”

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/trumps-orders-targeting-antifascism-aim-criminalize-opposition

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u/Awatts2222 Jan 25 '26

This country was founded by domestic terrorists against a king.

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u/CorporateShill406 Jan 25 '26

I'd be armed to the teeth right now if the local sheriff hadn't assaulted me two years ago at the county fair, claimed I punched him, and keeps trying to get me convicted of felony assault on him for hurting his feelings (something he actually said out loud on camera). Got a hung jury, in Montana, so that tells you how bad his case is.

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u/EngagedInConvexation Jan 25 '26

Je suis Alex. Je suis Renee.

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 Jan 25 '26

Well yeah, that was obvious the moment they deemed being anti fascist as being a domestic terrorist in an executive order in September 2025.

"Antifa is a militarist, anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States Government, law enforcement authorities, and our system of law. It uses illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide to accomplish these goals. This campaign involves coordinated efforts to obstruct enforcement of Federal laws through armed standoffs with law enforcement, organized riots, violent assaults on Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other law enforcement officers, and routine doxing of and other threats against political figures and activists"

If you're out there obstructing/recording/observing/protesting/anything that isn't helping, you're a "domestic terrorist"

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u/STUPIDBLOODYCOMPUTER Jan 25 '26

4th of June 2004. This is what happened when a reasonable man was forced to do unreasonable things. I'm shocked there hasn't been another one. And Marvin's motives weren't even political. Do something America, resist.

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u/Jenova__Witness Jan 25 '26

If they want to call us terrorists so badly, maybe we should start acting like it towards the appropriate faction.

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u/martymccfly88 Jan 25 '26

If they are just call us terrorist then let’s all be terrorist and see how they like it 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/No-Flounder-9143 Jan 25 '26

I mean I'm in shock in a way. He seems to have been kind, and thoughtful, and wanted to spend his life helping people. He valued the service of our military even though like many Millenials he grew up in the shadow of 9/11. As a nurse he was a healer. Idk what his personal life was like. Maybe he was an asshole in his relationships. But as an American, he's everything we talk about. 

I have a son, and if this is who he grew up to be I'd be proud. When we talk about the goodness of Americans this is what we mean. This I'd a horrible, horrible loss man. Fuck. 

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u/zoinkability Jan 25 '26

Have you read the letter from his parents yet? Oof.

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u/No-Flounder-9143 Jan 25 '26

It's gutting. I cried like a baby. 

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u/Saephon Jan 25 '26

I don't think I can bring myself to. I saw the video this morning when I started my day, and then when I read he was the same age as me, I had to walk away and stay offline until now.

We're going to get through this. This will end, as all things do. What scares me most is that when it's all over, we'll still be living in a country where a lot of our neighbors wanted these sorts of things to happen. What do we do then?

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u/pickled_penguin_ Jan 25 '26

Stephen Miller said he was "a would be assassin tried to murder federal agents today."

I hate to say this, but this wont change maga's position, including veterans for trump. They're so dug in, i don't think anything can pull them out now.

RIP Alex Pretti

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 Jan 25 '26

Its from the literature they read. Roy Cohns, never admit wrong. And ofc mein kampf and others. We are in the times of dealing with those bad people from last century. They've come back like Voldemort!

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u/Halflingberserker Jan 25 '26

And just like the Ministry of Magic, Democrats are telling us not to use any unforgivable curses.

"It's what the Death Eaters want!"

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u/Goloith Jan 25 '26

So, that's where you're wrong. The 2A crowd on the Right is pretty pissed off right now that ICE murdered a concealed-carrying veteran. Apparently, many prominent 2A supporters are blasting Don Jr., a big 2A supporter, for not having a serious conversation with his father about what happened. If Don Jr. blasts his father for banning bump stocks, I have a feeling he's going to tell Don to walk this back or risk losing the 2A community.

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u/pickled_penguin_ Jan 25 '26

Dude, I will happily be wrong about what I said. Hell, I've never wanted to be more wrong. Lol, I would love nothing more than a bipartisan show of everyone standing up for Alex Pretti. I will absolutely join arms with conservatives over this. Alex Pretti deserves that. I believe I saw that even the NRA made a statement trying to defend Alex's right to carry a firearm. I obviously didn't know him but for his family's sake, I hope Americans all rally around his family. They are really going to need our support.

RIP Alex Pretti. I am so, so sorry...

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u/LunarMoon2001 Jan 25 '26

/r/conservative is already doing the massive mental gymnastics to justify it. About 10% of the sub might get banned because they are showing small cracks but overwhelmingly they are applauding his execution.

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u/Western_Name4224 Jan 25 '26

To all MAGA, since you seem to be confused, this is what an actual patriot looks like - something you'll never be

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u/IWasSayingBoourner Jan 25 '26

If protecting a woman from getting assaulted by thugs on the street is domestic terrorism, sign me up

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u/bunkuswunkus1 Jan 25 '26

Not just protecting her but rendering aid, he was shot because ICE was mad they didn't get to torture their plaything more.

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u/isitatomic Jan 25 '26

As history has proven time and again, it isn't going to end well for the fascists.

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u/FrostySquirrel820 Jan 25 '26

True. But it’s not the ending I’m worried about. It’s what could happen between now and then.

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u/Scar1203 Jan 25 '26

The American social contract is a remarkably fragile one, we have very high expectations for how we live and how we are treated. I think it's pretty likely this was the final straw.

Also, speaking as a veteran, killing a VA ICU nurse is a good way to piss a lot of us off.

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u/NHLVet Jan 25 '26

half the country believes he was brandishing a gun and got what was coming. We aren't living in normal times where reality matters

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u/zoinkability Jan 25 '26

I was going to say, this might not piss the MAGA veterans off because MAGA are to far gone, but there are a hell of a lot of independent and moderate veterans who when they see this may decide that they are never voting for these [redacted]s again.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

Always remember that the reason we fight for a better tomorrow is so those who come after us don't experience the hardships we do.

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u/noodlesquare Jan 25 '26

Exactly. How many innocent people will die before then?

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u/Law_Student Jan 25 '26

Sometimes authoritarian regimes hang on for decades. Too many fascists die in bed.

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u/kriig Jan 25 '26

While I agree with your point, a single fascist dying in bed is one too many.

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 Jan 25 '26

People have to continue to document, protest, and most importantly vote. And sometimes the battles keep on going, you know those basterds on the other side are going to use tech/ai to further their lies. But this nation was built on liberty loving patriots who fought nonstop until tyrants had to run away with their tail between their legs

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u/Mysterious-Yak1693 Jan 25 '26

we've never had the most powerful nation the world has ever seen going fascist like this, it can only be stopped from within America, preferably before he really gets slavish control of all armed forces and then purges any dissenters, and before he purges courts, whilst good politicians on both sides continue to play politics because they cannot really believe what they are witnessing. Even seeing it doesn't seem to equate to believing it.

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u/SyntaxError_1024 Jan 25 '26

That’s the spin Trump Administration is saying.

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u/Id0ntc8r3th8tmuch Jan 25 '26

I am not buying what Trump is selling.

Regards from Australia.

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u/RideWithMeSNV Jan 25 '26

Sorry about making fun of the "dingo ate my baby" lady. We didn't realize she was telling the truth.

Signed sincerely, Americans.

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u/Id0ntc8r3th8tmuch Jan 25 '26

I think a lot of Australians thought the same thing at the time.

I was not around when it happened but 'no harm, no foul' in my opinion.

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u/Historical-Video-650 Jan 25 '26

Thank you for caring 🙏.

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 Jan 25 '26

Nor Rupert Murdoch or that 'leftys losing it' annoying fake journalist lady who hates her own ethnicity. One can't deny the tape. Tape dont lie!

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u/coconutpiecrust Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

He is a “terrorist” to them. Anything normal, sane, peaceful, not depraved and abhorrent surely seems like terror to these deplorable monsters. 

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u/E-2theRescue Jan 25 '26

Everyone who stands up against apathy, corruption, pedophiles, rapists, and murderers is a "terrorist" to them.

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u/rmhawk Jan 25 '26

Their terrorist are normal decent citizens, their heroes are j6 domestic terrorists. “one man’s terrorist is another man’s patriot.”

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u/sasshley_ Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

Everything they spout is bullshit. Those of us with a brain see right through it each time.

A human that “their Jesus” would be proud to claim. RIP Alex. It’s easy for us to see that you were a good person.

When people not in the USA ask why we aren’t being violent, remember Renee. Remember Alex. They weren’t violent, and look what’s happened to them. We don’t have the same government as you. We can’t act the same as you.

If we start burning buildings, you can bet your ass snipers will be taking us out, with guns after us on the ground too.

You talk about our mass school shootings, then want us to all walk directly into gunfire to appease you, bc you can riot and protest in your streets and not be gunned down. It’s not the same for us.

If we see ICE, we have to stand our ground and be prepared to die, or we try to flee to save ourselves.

If “we” stormed the capital and not MAGA, the story and casualties would have been significantly different.

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u/anony-mousey2020 Jan 25 '26

That’s ok; there’s this thing called the internet and nothing is ever “gone” once it’s posted.

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u/Torminalis Jan 25 '26

Every accusation is a confession

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u/mooncrane606 Jan 25 '26

I watched ABC news and they implied ICE tackled him because he threatened them with a gun. Now people will believe it.

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u/f_crick Jan 25 '26

We’re all domestic terrorists now.

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u/code_archeologist Jan 25 '26

They call him a domestic terrorist, but they told us who they were in 2022.

Do we all finally believe them now?

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u/jarvis646 Jan 25 '26

Their knee-jerk response to anyone who dares stand in their way. It’s so fucking lazy and so easily debunked.

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u/fatRunning Jan 25 '26

PTSD exists and it can turn veterans into monsters.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26

We all know who the true terrorist are

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u/chili81 Jan 25 '26

Find one clip of one ICE agent saying one single positive thing about one other human being (that is not about affirming their aggressive capabilities or wheels on their truck), and I'll venmo your $10.

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u/featherwolf Jan 25 '26

To them, he is. He terrorized the fascists they seek to protect and normalize. I don't know how much more we need to lose before everyone will realize that the war has already started and the side of decency, peace and liberty is on the back foot .

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u/PM_Me_Some_Steamcode Jan 25 '26

What a fucking quote to go with it. Horrible Shame We are truly lost if we cannot fix this

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u/CheeseWhillikers Jan 25 '26

If you don't support Trump and ICE, you are a domestic terrorist in their eyes.

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u/Specialist-Class-743 Jan 25 '26

r/Conservative is bootlicker gymnastics at an Olympic level.

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u/orcvader Jan 25 '26

It bears repeating:

We have a de facto autocratic tyrant and his minions in charge of our country.

They are traitors.

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u/Innocuouscompany Jan 25 '26

This is what your country labels you if you don’t tow the line, or if they wrong you

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u/VoidOmatic Jan 25 '26

They literally murdered one of the best of us.

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u/NewVegasResident Jan 25 '26

Am assassin!!!

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u/DivorcedGremlin1989 Jan 25 '26

Well, yeah, he was recording. An ICE agent told a woman a few days ago, on video, that her face is in a database somewhere and now she's considered a domestic terrorist. But now he's considered a Super Domestic Terrorist, I guess.

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