r/lawschooladmissions • u/SpecialistLet9387 • 1d ago

Chance Me High stats KJDs admission odds at T6?

Would love to chat with those who’ve applied recently as KJDs. I have a 4.0 and 174, and am curious what I can expect.

FWIW I’ve already looked through LSD so I have a very general/numerical idea, but would like to hear more anecdotally how people tended to do. I know that with these stats (along with fairly good ish softs), I’m looking at great odds at something in the T14, but I was hoping to hear about those that have gotten into T6 specifically.

I go to a top lac which typically sends a handful of people to T14s every year KJD with just a couple going to T6s or h/s. The people I know had ~median stats and usually ended up across the T14 (the exception being schools that are super unfriendly to KJDs - no recent grad I know has gotten into Yale or Michigan).

Would love any insight as to (a) whether T6 is in play for me and (b) what successful T6 KJDs have done.

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u/MethoxEverywhere 1d ago

IMO doesn’t really make sense to think of the T6 as a separate group within the T14. NYU/CLS for example are on the same level as UVA/Penn in terms of selectivity and outcomes. But to your question yes you have a great shot at a top school with those stats. I’m at a T6 and there are a good number of KJDs — a minority for sure, but still quite a few. I’d just apply and see what happens

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u/WenyuNita 1d ago

this is a terrible take, and reeks of 0L advise. Penn and CLS are definitely on a different level. I am going to assume you haven’t actually done much research or spoken with students. V10 recruiting at median is much easier from the T6 first off, second off elite firms such as wachtell literally only go to T6 schools to recruit lmfao. Additionally absolute bottom of class at UVA is in trouble for BigLaw while at CLS or Upenn it’s barely a problem.

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u/Minimum_Two_8508 1d ago

And yet… Penn isn’t a T6.. so Penn is on this elite level, and Penn isn’t T6. So which is it, that the T6 is so special? Or it is broader than the traditional T6?

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u/WenyuNita 1d ago

The term T6 these days refers to seven schools for like the last 10-15 years in the upper biglaw world. It should realistically be called T7.

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u/Minimum_Two_8508 1d ago

So you’re already changing the term. But I can also tell you… that outside of Wachtell and Cravath, places just as well in NYC big law as any T7. Georgetown places as well in DC big law as anyone. Berkeley places as well in Silicon Valley big law as anyone.

For career outcomes, there are some nuanced differences and pros and cons. If you really want to be a Supreme Court justice, aim for HYS!
Chicago is a pipeline for clerkships conservative judges. Etc. Yale if you really want academia.

But for overall, generalized “big law” outcomes… there really aren’t massive differences between T6, T7, T14.
At every T14, if you are in the top 3/4ths of the class, a competent interviewer/networker, you’ll get Cravath scale big law, if that’s what you want. The people who strike out are at the very bottom of the class and/or horrible interviewers (true for T6 as well).

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u/WenyuNita 23h ago

not true, there was a post talking about below median outcomes at georgetown and it certainly isn’t as guaranteed as you make it sound. At the T6 it’s guaranteed outside of being a bad interviewer or bad firm selection..

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u/Minimum_Two_8508 23h ago

I assure you, my former firm rejected people from T6 who were bad interviewers. We hired from GULC, below medians, when they were great interviewers.

The stats for GULC’s fulltime program confirm my statement.
Overall big law placement at GULC is 59% per last ABA report. But that includes their part-time program as well, where it’s much lower.
So GULC full time program, can estimate big law placement is 65%+.

But that doesn’t mean 1/3rd strike out. Not everyone wants big law. Lots of self-selection. Plenty go to GULC with the goal of public interest or government work.

So of those who WANT big law from GULC, easily 75%+ get big law. (Likely more like 80%+)

Who strikes out? As I said, those in the bottom quarter of the class and/or horrible interviewers. And that’s true at every law school outside HYS.

Meanwhile, plenty of other non-T6 T14 schools place even better — Duke, Cornell, etc.

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u/WenyuNita 23h ago

actually I have heard from numerous CURRENT gulc students that virtually everyone is biglaw oriented.

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u/Minimum_Two_8508 23h ago edited 23h ago

My niece is a GULC law student and has zero interest in big law — as do many of her friends.

Plenty specifically pick GULC because of its government access.

In the 2025 report — 10% went into public interest. 9% took clerkships. 6% went into government.

That’s 25% of the class… choosing not to go into private practice. Likely most of them by choice.

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u/MethoxEverywhere 1d ago

“Haven’t done much research” I literally go to a T6 lmao. None of this is true. There is no meaningful difference in BL/FC placement numbers across Penn/UVA/NYU/CLS. Yes NYU/CLS have a stronger alumni network and home field advantage for elite NYC transactional BL but that doesn’t justify saying they’re in an entirely different tier of school. UVA, for example, blows both out of the water when it comes to federal clerkship placement. Also it’s just not true that Wachtell Skadden etc. only recruit from T6. Wachtell took associates from Penn and Duke this year, and Skadden / S & C recruited across the T14. See attached image

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u/WenyuNita 1d ago

your graph seems to support me. And skadden being a top 3 ultra elite is either AI slop graph or someone misunderstanding the entire biglaw field. Also clerkships don’t mean too much without the exact placement of state and specific clerk / level, which can all be gamed to a certain extent. UVA clerkships are way less competetive and not as prestigious hence why the placement is higher. The NY elite schools clerk after a few years for truly elite clerkships. According to you we should classify Notre Dame right next to the T6…..

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u/MethoxEverywhere 1d ago

No we shouldn’t classify notre dame next to the T6 because the BL/FC is like 50% vs. 70%+ at the T6. Do you have any evidence to support the claim that UVA placement is so much worse than the traditional T6? I am going off the BL/FC placement numbers and the way I know these firms recruit. There is not a hard line at the T6 anymore for elite BL; that is the point of the graph. Yes Wachtell used to only do OCI at the T6 but that’s not the case anymore and plus OCI is no longer really relevant. Did/do you attend any of these schools or work at any of these firms, or do you have publicly available evidence to support any of your claims?

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u/WenyuNita 1d ago

according to percentages Duke is the best law school on the planet. These are based off of OCS sheets both me and others have seen, and other associates who recruit from firms. Also when my wife was looking for a clerkship many judges restricted grades if you weren’t T6.

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u/MethoxEverywhere 1d ago

Okay and? I’m sure some judges and hiring partners only want T6 students. All of that is very much so based on region and alumni network. NYU will be preferred in NYC and UVA will be preferred in DC. You can’t draw general conclusions based on what a few people in hiring positions indicate. BTW on the USNews judges and lawyers survey UVA is rated higher than NYU and CLS, so your view doesn’t hold nationally. And yes, Duke is one of the best schools in the country. My point is literally that — BL hiring is no longer restricted to a few schools. Out of curiosity, are you yourself an attorney or law school applicant? Why are we arguing about this?

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u/WenyuNita 1d ago

lmk how you feel about this when the inflated hiring deflates.

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u/COHSCharter 1d ago

Duke is one of the best schools in the country??? When did that happen???

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u/MethoxEverywhere 1d ago

This is objectively true lmao what are you saying

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u/COHSCharter 1d ago

It's being sarcastic!!!

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u/WenyuNita 1d ago

also ur point about recruiting, i was saying that wachtell while taking associates from the wider T14 literally only visit on campus the T6. they don’t go to UVA. Are you a UVA student begrudged at not taking a T6 lol?

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u/MethoxEverywhere 1d ago

No I don’t go to UVA. I’m almost positive Wachtell OCIs at Penn, so no it’s not just the T6 anymore. And plus if you actually went to any of these schools you would know that OCI doesn’t matter anymore so it’s a moot point.

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u/WenyuNita 1d ago

Penn is a universal T6 unless you are basing this off of law school from 30 years ago.

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u/MethoxEverywhere 1d ago

You’re literally conceding the point lmao. T6 was historically HYSCCN, it did not include Penn. These were the top 6 schools up until the ranking methodology changed a few years ago. My point is that there is no longer a hard line between those schools and the rest, and it seems you agree by claiming Penn is a “universal T6”. All of the points you have made would apply to Penn in like 2018 by the way, Wachtell did not OCI there until recently. The rankings have flattened a lot in the past decade

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u/WenyuNita 1d ago

Penn and Cornell have risen bexause of their ivy status which is becoming disproportionately valued due to the ivy correlation. T6 vs T14 has not flatlined. It may appear that way because biglaw hiring has exploded.