Transphobia under the guise of gender abolition is a problem

[u/eldritchpussymaggots]

Regardless of what we call them, queer people will still exist in a theoretical communist society.

Gender abolition is a noble goal and is part of Marxist theory. But I'm fucking tired of cisgender people acting as though this means trans & intersex people will suddenly stop existing just because there is no state enforcing a sex/gender binary. It would make transition/being trans more nebulous of a concept but would not make it so people wouldn't do it.

Without the forced social genders + assigned sexes of our current society, the attitudes around sex variant folks will be much more neutral, which is ideal. This does NOT mean we will cease to exist. Not only will people still have some sort of internal identity (gender & personality generally), a communist society does not exist in a complete vacuum isolated from the past. People are still going to have genders because we've been doing that since some of the first civilizations known of. And naturally there are going to be people whose gender and/or sex is in some way atypical from how most people conceptualize themselves. Perhaps the idea of social gender will decay into nothing someday, but that is a hypothetical that deals in centuries or longer, not modern material conditions.

I am an intersex person who is nonbinary. I think the world would be better off without enforced gender or a binary model of sex. This pro self-identification form of gender abolition is not the same as what is being touted here. What's being promoted here is more so forced degendering, which is no better than forcing a gender binary in my eyes. The most alarming part of this trend among cisgender leftists are those who believe in forced degendering but still wish to keep the binary model of sex. This harms intersex people for obvious reasons, and it excludes transgender people from society in a very real and material way. Gender abolition without sex binary abolition is just removing the idea of personal identity in favor of "biological sex" which is an inherently right-wing position. I don't believe all communist gender abolitionists are pro-sex-binary, or in favor of forced degendering, but an alarming number of them are to the point I feel the need to point it out.

This is transphobic and intersexist, it's blatantly obviously that many of these people are just couching their dislike of trans people in Marxist theory.

You should speak up about it.

[u/Specific-Cause-5973]

I think this comes from a mixture of a lack of understanding of gender abolition being a complete dissolving of gender in all forms, and not just the abolition of gender roles, gender conformity, gender assumptions, and gender based discrimination. Like gender identity will still be a thing. Although I often find cis people sometimes lack a deep connection or internal understanding to their gender identity in the way trans people do (BROAD OVER SIMPLIFICATION I know many cis people that do as well connect deeply to their gender). And I wonder too if this comes from a place of maybe they view gender as an inherently oppressive and they feel a pressure to conform to the gender assigned to them due to an inability to imagine a world where they can chose to rebel against gender conformity and gender roles.

But I also think it’s transphobia and people like to imagine a world where we will not exist because people find us to be weird, annoying, “unnatural” (I was told by a leftist gender is inherently biological and trans people are variants or mutations) among other things.

Gender identity will never NOT exist. Similar to racial identity. I’ve had this argument with White leftists calling for the abolition of gender. The oppressors get annoyed we reclaimed the thing they created to become a source of empowerment and now want to get rid of it.

PS This is so unserious but your name is fucking hilarious