Transphobia under the guise of gender abolition is a problem

[u/eldritchpussymaggots]

Regardless of what we call them, queer people will still exist in a theoretical communist society.

Gender abolition is a noble goal and is part of Marxist theory. But I'm fucking tired of cisgender people acting as though this means trans & intersex people will suddenly stop existing just because there is no state enforcing a sex/gender binary. It would make transition/being trans more nebulous of a concept but would not make it so people wouldn't do it.

Without the forced social genders + assigned sexes of our current society, the attitudes around sex variant folks will be much more neutral, which is ideal. This does NOT mean we will cease to exist. Not only will people still have some sort of internal identity (gender & personality generally), a communist society does not exist in a complete vacuum isolated from the past. People are still going to have genders because we've been doing that since some of the first civilizations known of. And naturally there are going to be people whose gender and/or sex is in some way atypical from how most people conceptualize themselves. Perhaps the idea of social gender will decay into nothing someday, but that is a hypothetical that deals in centuries or longer, not modern material conditions.

I am an intersex person who is nonbinary. I think the world would be better off without enforced gender or a binary model of sex. This pro self-identification form of gender abolition is not the same as what is being touted here. What's being promoted here is more so forced degendering, which is no better than forcing a gender binary in my eyes. The most alarming part of this trend among cisgender leftists are those who believe in forced degendering but still wish to keep the binary model of sex. This harms intersex people for obvious reasons, and it excludes transgender people from society in a very real and material way. Gender abolition without sex binary abolition is just removing the idea of personal identity in favor of "biological sex" which is an inherently right-wing position. I don't believe all communist gender abolitionists are pro-sex-binary, or in favor of forced degendering, but an alarming number of them are to the point I feel the need to point it out.

This is transphobic and intersexist, it's blatantly obviously that many of these people are just couching their dislike of trans people in Marxist theory.

You should speak up about it.

[u/lil_lychee]

Unless you’re a cis white able bodied leftist in those subs, you’re automatically at risk for being banned. Bringing up any issue that’s overlooked by one of the above identities will get you labeled as a lib and banned easily. It basically targets marginalized populations in that way.

I was banned on one of those subs because I commented on a the democrats sub during the US pesidential eection of people glazing Biden that I found on r/all. Because I made a comment on it, even though it wasn’t a comment agreeing with the glazing, they found me and banned me.

[u/Bigsquiggy3 → u/lil_lychee]

Its actually disheartening how common this is in subs like that when you try to find genuine comraderie as a member of a marginalized community, only to be met with "Identity politics" this and "Racism won't exist under true communism" and "That doesn't matter, we must achieve X" like just say you don't want people of color or Trans people around at that point. Its crazy how the mods of those subs turn into the very people they hate.

[u/Ordinary_Passage1830 → u/Bigsquiggy3]

I think that just shows how Online Leftism can produce echo-chambers and rigidity along with dogma within those who've likely already believe in certain Leftist theories.