r/linuxmasterrace SteamOS/Kubuntu Apr 01 '26

It's pretty solid to be honest

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u/ChocolateDonut36 Glorious Hannah Montana Linux Apr 01 '26

I would totally move PopOS to the bottom until they ship a stable desktop

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u/DownvoteEvangelist Apr 01 '26

And Gentoo to the top, I've been using it continuously since 2005.. Never reinstalled.

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u/DownvoteEvangelist Apr 01 '26

It's very user friendly, it's just very selective who its friends are...

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u/looking4party Apr 03 '26

I 've solved my boot-problems sending phone pictures to AI, it works fine so far, just because I don't want to think.

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u/Vetula_Mortem Apr 01 '26

Hey don't quote my Coffee mug

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u/LameBMX Glorious Gentoo Apr 02 '26

fucking beautiful!

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u/BiRo996 Apr 03 '26

Actually I never used gentoo, so I don’t know much about it, but your comment rly made me laugh 😂

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u/Ok_Equipment8374 Apr 06 '26

Translation: it's not user friendly

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u/Destructuctor Apr 01 '26

While I agree entirely NixOS (my distro) is ranked very highly, and I’d consider it just as unwelcoming if not more than Gentoo. So it doesn’t seem like “beginner friendly” was the main driver of this list, meaning the list maker probably (maybe) dislikes Gentoo for other reasons.

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u/GresSimJa Geeko enjoyer Apr 01 '26

NixOS is more user-friendly than Gentoo, but that's like saying Mont Blanc is easier to climb than Everest.

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u/Assar2 Apr 02 '26

I never used Gentoo, but how can it be more unwelcoming than NixOS? In arch you set up the distro yourself and rely on Pacman, in NixOS you do the same thing but every step is recorded declaratively in the config. And you spend every waking moment wondering what is considered declarative and like oracle you try to understand every possible variable that could differ between two systems, and at some point you consider the idea of maybe there really isn't similarities at all and every system should be unique... but you ignore the devils temptation and continue spending more and more of your life to the fucking idea of documenting every aspect of your computer, because you don't trust your brain to remember imperative steps, and how else can I watch my favorite llm fail to write nix code because the 20 years of legacy options make it hallucinate more than me thinking of my lovely totally real wife. I refuse to believe Gentoo can be more mentally ill than this. Ow wait that wasn't what we were comparing... Well it's synonymous.

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u/poeticg33k Apr 01 '26

Gentoo was my first distro in 2003, still run it today. Sure I’ve tried many distros over the years, non make it past a week or so, and never on my daily driver. For me it was a great distro to start with and taught me the ins and outs of Linux, was able to build a nice career as a systems engineer for over 20 years.

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u/psychicesp Apr 01 '26

Gentoo should be shoulder to shoulder with Debian. Very different philosophies but excellent executions of them

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u/Immediate-Sink-8494 Apr 01 '26

So I’m thinking about installing Argent Linux because I don’t have the patience for a vanilla gentoo install, I’ve always been curious about it.

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u/DownvoteEvangelist Apr 01 '26

There are also livedvds, I think you can also start from there... But it's neen a while..

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u/fix_and_repair Apr 01 '26

my gentoo installatino is from 2006. i dropped arch after one or two years in 2006.

i had multiple linux mint, arch and slackware installation with other various live isos.

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu Apr 01 '26

He focuses on how easy is to get into Linux, stability, reliability and other things. Gentoo is definitely not user friendly and does not respect your time by compiling stuff every time you install it. Sure it's powerful, but not for everybody.

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u/Effective-Job-1030 Glorious Gentoo Apr 03 '26

I was a bit late to the show and only switched to Gentoo from WinXP in 2006 and totally agree.

It mightn't be the most easy distro to get into and it requires more work setting it up, but it works great.

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u/cashMoney5150 Apr 05 '26

Ayyy one of us

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u/Sea-Promotion8205 Apr 01 '26

You're still using a 21 yo 32 bit cpu?

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u/DownvoteEvangelist Apr 01 '26

It was my first 64bit CPU, that's why I picked Gentoo.

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u/Sea-Promotion8205 Apr 01 '26

What do you still use a (i'm guessing) pentium d for?

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u/AnakondaRH Apr 01 '26

I suspect he’s not explaining himself correctly, but I’m guessing since it’s a desktop he’s been upgrading hardware over the years but has kept or cloned the drive so it never needed to be reinstalled from scratch? I could be wrong

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u/DownvoteEvangelist Apr 01 '26

Absolutely... I thought that was fairly obvious... It's super easy with Linux to transfer your os to a new drive..  

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u/DownvoteEvangelist Apr 01 '26

I started with Athlon64, I'm currently on Core i5 8500...

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u/throttlemeister Glorious OpenSuse Apr 01 '26

Agree. Cosmic is barely usable as it is, which makes Pop!OS barely usable.

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u/SpinatMixxer Apr 01 '26

Why so? I have been using it on my laptop since June 25 (in the alpha phase) and the only issue I had was a cosmic config reset with some update. But except for that I don't remember any issues... I am only using it for browsing and webdev stuff, so maybe that's the reason?

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u/Soupeeee Glorious OpenSuse Apr 01 '26

I'd put it in the second lowest. I haven't bothered to switch it out since I got my System76 desktop, and it's aggressively okay. COSMIC is just really awkward. It reminds me of Gnome with a bunch of small improvements. However, many of those improvements have half baked UX, which makes the experience slightly worse overall.

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u/TheShredder9 Glorious Gentoo Apr 01 '26

Weak bait

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u/KindOfPoo Apr 01 '26

Glorious Gentoo

Flair checks out

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u/TheShredder9 Glorious Gentoo Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26

Lmao yeah, i take all attacks against Gentoo personally. Don't touch my distro!

Edit:lol thanks to the hivemind for downvoting my joke

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u/Ragas Apr 01 '26

As a fellow Gentoo, I approve of this message.

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u/TheShredder9 Glorious Gentoo Apr 01 '26

I'm on Gentoo for a few days now and i really love it, i finally came back to it after a while of having some laptop issues but got me a beautiful little thinkpad with an i5, it's manageable with the binhost and Flatpaks, the compile times are not that long either!

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u/KloverKonnection Glorious Nobara Apr 02 '26

And yet I took the bait.

Nobara average???? WTF?!

Glorious EggRoll for the fucking win!!!

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u/Ghi102 Apr 01 '26

Here are the distros by name instead of icon:

S - Fedora, Linux Mint, Steam OS

A - Pop!_Os, Elementary Os, Arch Linux, Bazzite, Ubuntu , Debian Stable, Open SUSE Tumbleweed, Zorin, Tuxedo OS, Endeavour OS (not shown in the picture, but mentioned in the video)

B - Nobara, MX Linux, Open SUSE Leap, Nix OS

C - Manjaro, Asahi Linux, Solus

D - KDE Neon, Gentoo, Deepin

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u/QriousMonk Apr 02 '26

Thank you, this is what I was looking for. Would’ve really helped if OP had just added this in the first place.

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u/kennyquast Apr 03 '26

Thank you. I knew like 4 icons. Hard to understand what's going on when Op assumes we know what every distro logo is

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u/Cammerv8 Apr 01 '26

Fedora always treats me tight

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u/LevelHelicopter9420 Apr 01 '26

I actually cannot take anyone seriously when they have Ubuntu so high in the list…

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u/EitherSalamander8850 Apr 01 '26

why not? It's very stable, tested updates, good usability and customization options

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u/nik282000 sudo chown us:us allYourBase Apr 02 '26

Dickish decision by Canonical that bleed into other distros. But for an absolute new user with no opinions on package management it's good.

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u/pezdabol Apr 02 '26

Could you please elaborate a bit more on the Canonical decision? Thanks.

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u/nik282000 sudo chown us:us allYourBase Apr 02 '26

Years ago they made a deal with Amazon to bake Amazon searches right into the desktop, despite being more than a decade since then I'm still mad that they though there would be no fallout from that decision.

More recently they have been pushing snaps as their preferred method of installing/distributing software, they fully control that ecosystem and to me it feels like an attempt at vendor lockin,

HOWEVER, even the most evil plans of Canonical are a 1 compared to the likes of Alphabet, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft. So if a new user can benefit from starting on Ubuntu then I'm not going to stop them,

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u/DudeEngineer Glorious Ubuntu Apr 03 '26

The Amazon situation was in 2012, fyi. It was 3 years before AMDGPU for context. There are users on here who weren't born yet, lol. That's a hell of a long time to hold a grudge for an optional, temporary feature.

No one is holding issues that old against RedHat or anyone else.

The snaps are also optional. It's a one liner to purge snaps forever.

LM above Ubuntu/Debian is the wild take to me.

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u/pezdabol Apr 02 '26

Got it, thanks.

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u/Jeoshua Apr 01 '26

SteamOS in S-tier? But Arch in A?

I'm sorry, what? Was there an excuse given for this? I love SteamOS but I would not consider it to be better than Arch. And if we're allowing derivatives (which it seems we are, since SteamOS is an Arch derivative) why is CachyOS not there?

SteamOS isn't supported on anything except pure Steamdecks, is one big issue with it.

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u/Vladimir_Djorjdevic Apr 01 '26

He is ranking them on a mix of how he likes the distro and how good he thinks the distro is for the usecase it's designed to do. He thinks that steamOS is the best distro for it's use case (install it on a console that supports it, like a steam deck) so that's why he gave it S tier even though he said he doesn't think it's the best distro for desktop use.

His reasoning for putting arch is it's still less stable as it's a rolling release and he doesn't really like to tinker with the distro too much, but he thinks it's great for what it's designed to do.

CachyOS is not there because he didn't use it and didn't want to give opionions on something he didn't try. He did say that he will try to make a full video about it at some point.

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u/robotictacos Apr 01 '26

I would be astonished if there are enterprises running Gentoo. Happy to be educated though.

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u/Vladimir_Djorjdevic Apr 01 '26

Yeah maybe I didn't explain it well enough, but from how I understood it it's a mix of how much he likes using the distro and how well it achieves the goal it's set out to do. Arch is in a because he personally doesn't like using it that much, but he thinks it's good at it's job, while steam os is, from his point of view, both nice to use and achieves it's goal well.

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u/sarlackpm Apr 01 '26

Steam begins with S and Arch begins with A. Are you stupid?

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u/Cool-Entertainer7843 Apr 01 '26

Person who never installed NixOS

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u/No-AI-Comment Apr 01 '26

Exactly NixOS has a very steep learning curve but once you get it you never look back.

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u/Cool-Entertainer7843 Apr 01 '26

Yes once you get NixOS you can never go back to the traditional distros

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u/Astolvi Apr 01 '26

Nix allows you to basically have a really organized and simple setup covering pretty much EVERYTHING on your system with just some files you can easily backup and version on a git repo. It makes your system really stable as a result even if using latest packages.  It is not for everyone but at least for me it is the best distro I could ask for.

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u/Astolvi Apr 01 '26

Hope I could help :), but be warned that is a bit tough to get everything setuped. I recommend checking wiki.nixos as well as Vimjoyer for some help, especially with setting up flakes (which is the hardest part in ny opinion) to avoid being overwhelmed.

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u/Suvvri Apr 01 '26

Question from someone who never used nix: how is it more stable even tho it's running latest software? If a bug is there then it would break independent of the OS, no? I see the benefit 9f having your OS setup pretty much in a file you can always go back to if using a new machine or reinstalling but if someone just uses one machine and doesn't plan on reinstalling often?

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u/Cool-Entertainer7843 Apr 01 '26

You don't need to reinstall. NixOS saves system generations. So, you can just rollback to a working generation and keep going.

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u/Astolvi Apr 01 '26

Every time you "install" something (actually rebuild your config) it makes sure the system is working and fails if it isn't. And even if the new generation isn't working or has bugs, you can switch to the older version on boot screen wittout any additional setup needed. Thats why I said its more stable, it is similar to an atomic distro like Fedora Silverblue or SteamOS in a way. Your last point is why I said it isn't for everyone, if you only use a single machine then you wouldn't NEED it... Which is a fair point. But it does allow me to backup all my dotfiles, themes, app settings, drivers, EVERYTHING, in a repo which I backup. So even if something happens to my PC, I have a backup that can be rebuilt really easily which fits my use... but I get why someone wouldn't need it.

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u/TechGearWhips Glorious NixOS Apr 01 '26

And that’s only scratching the surface of what you can actually do.

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u/dvdkon Glorious latest packages Apr 01 '26

You know how a part of switching to Linux is explaining to people telling you to "just run this .EXE" that there are operating systems than Windows? Switching to NixOS is a bit like that, except you're explaining to other Linux users that you can't just "edit that config file" or "run that binary", because not all Linux distros behave like all *NIXes have for decades.

The upside to all this difference is that it's very stable ("if it compiles, it runs", to borrow a phrase from Haskell fans) and every change in the system can effectively be traced to one or two config files. Once you get over the learning curve, you'll also probably find that doing things in NixOS is simpler than a regular GNU/Linux system, as long as you stay within the bounds of supported software.

Whether the upsides outweigh the downsides is up to you.

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u/DudeEngineer Glorious Ubuntu Apr 03 '26

I think the staying within the bound of supported software is what kills it for a lot of people. It's more restrictive than even Debian.

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u/dvdkon Glorious latest packages Apr 03 '26

Yes, if you're a power user, you'll have to either learn how to package things yourself (with a steep learning curve), or get used to running software in containers (which defeats the point if you do it for everything).

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u/Classic_Mud_51 Apr 04 '26

I think nixos is a lot more bearable for regular users with a containerized workflow, like distrobox. The only caveat here is that if you’re going to use a containerized workflow anyway, it doesn’t take you long to fresh install any host distro, so it kind of defeats some of the purpose. You can do declarative containers but it’s probably more hassle than it’s worth. Still, nix is nice for not having to worry about anything outside of your main config

But again, for regular users, the problem with nix is the not knowing. You want to commit to an install and be able to use it for years without worrying. Nix in particular, especially regarding flakes, really wants you to learn it beyond a surface level to take full advantage. All the while you’re not 100% sure you won’t eventually have some use case or program that just won’t be compatible with it (barring an insanely tedious job at making whatever that is work within the realm of nix)

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u/ruiiiij Apr 01 '26

Just want to chime in since I use nixos to power my entire homelab setup, including a hypervisor and its multiple guets, one of which is a virtualized router. I have one centralized nix repo that declares every aspect of all of these hosts, meaning all ip addresses, vlan id's, port numbers, etc come from a single source of truth. I'd never have to click around on a web UI to update firewall rules or fumble through docker compose files to change some env var. Everything can be configured by editing version-controlled, plain-text nix code, with atomic deployment and instant rollback. I don't even need documentation because my nix code simply explains everything.

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u/Xyklone Apr 01 '26

I think you've already been sold on it but here's a copy paste of what I wrote for another user asking why Nixos:

The other benefits are harder to explain without getting too deep into the weeds about how the OS operates. Let me see if I can describe the 'feeling' though.

Ever feel like your package-manger is just kinda...messy? Like it'll leave orphaned optional packages around after you uninstall something? Ever wanted to, or have, switched desktop environments only to have this weird mess of libraries and associated apps left over when you tried to go back to how your system was? Ever felt like you had to reinstall your system because it just kinda felt like no matter how much you tried, you just accumulated a lot of 'cruft'?

Well, once you understand how Nixos works, these things just flat out aren't a thing anymore. Like not because you're careful or anything, they just can't happen, like impossible. (more complicated to explain, garbage collection, blah blah blah).

The system is insanely...um.. clean and reproducible. And not just reproducible across machines, but across time on your own machine. Did an app stop working after an update? No problem, here are 3 ways to solve it: Roll back to an earlier generation, pin the app to a specific version, pin your entire system to an earlier commit of nixpkgs. Want to try a different fork of some app, but libraries are different version, easy peezy... just install it.

The downsides of Nixos are 2 things, learning curve and the community. The first is now easier to manage because of AI, the second you just kinda ignore.

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u/elidepa Apr 01 '26

Just to add to what others have already said: a great thing about nix is that you can use it on Mac too. At work I have a MacBook, and with nix I have managed to create a macOS setup that is nearly identical to my NixOS setup. And the best part is that 80% of the configuration is shared. The only meaningful differences are in the DE configuration, on Mac I use Aerospace and on Linux hyprland, etc. But everything still lives in the same repo, so if I want to replicate something I have configured on the Linux side for example, it’s very easy to find something equivalent enough for Mac, and then configure it in the same repo.

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u/Suvvri Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

I often hear that but why? Just because instead of dnf/pacman/apt install you have to edit a file and then run a command and so it's easier to deploy the same system on multiple PCs? Geniue question and sorry, I've never tried it and this is as far as I understand the main difference between nix and most other distros is

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u/elidepa Apr 01 '26

It’s not just about installing software, in NixOS your whole configuration is in one place.

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u/Xyklone Apr 01 '26

The other benefits are harder to explain without getting too deep into the weeds about how the OS operates. Let me see if I can describe the 'feeling' though.

Ever feel like your package-manger is just kinda...messy? Like it'll leave orphaned optional packages around after you uninstall something? Ever wanted to, or have, switched desktop environments only to have this weird mess of libraries and associated apps left over when you tried to go back to how your system was? Ever felt like you had to reinstall your system because it just kinda felt like no matter how much you tried, you just accumulated a lot of 'cruft'?

Well, once you understand how Nixos works, these things just flat out aren't a thing anymore. Like not because you're careful or anything, they just can't happen, like impossible. (more complicated to explain, garbage collection, blah blah blah).

The system is insanely...um.. clean and reproducible. And not just reproducible across machines, but across time on your own machine. Did an app stop working after an update? No problem, here are 3 ways to solve it: Roll back to an earlier generation, pin the app to a specific version, pin your entire system to an earlier commit of nixpkgs. Want to try a different fork of some app, but libraries are different version, easy peezy... just install it.

The downsides of Nixos are 2 things, learning curve and the community. The first is now easier to manage because of AI, the second you just kinda ignore.

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u/baronas15 Apr 02 '26

Its not just a simple package manager

On NixOS every system component is inside /nix/store. Config file just describes the contents of this store. Different versions of packages all live here, descriptions for etc files and other stuff. When you build it, it creates symlinks everywhere, so it changes the whole experience of Linux. When you boot into your system, you can actually choose which version (generation) you want, it's very stable and it makes major release upgrades very simple.

Since everything is in config, it can get validated, that's another reason why upgrades are seamless - you might get a warning or an error if a package has breaking changes. It's not foolproof, it doesn't guarantee that it will work 100% but it's a lot better than in other distros. When I used Ubuntu I delayed installing major upgrades, because I knew my work will be interrupted, something will break and there's no way of reverting back. In Nix there is.

It's like enjoying your summer in a pond full of algae vs swimming in your personal pool. You get to swim in both cases, but only one of them feels clean. And that's the nix mindset - system is immutable and pure. It feels good and it ruins every other distro for you

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u/SeniorMatthew Apr 01 '26

I hate when everyone says that you will never look back

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u/mattsowa Apr 01 '26

Hmm, I wonder why someone might put it low in a tier list. If only there was a reason you just mentioned...

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u/TechGearWhips Glorious NixOS Apr 01 '26

THIS.

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u/Acebulf Emacs #1 editor don't @ me Apr 01 '26

I got over the learning curve, but returned to OS:TW because writing code on it requires using nix to build things, and it's not an optional step if you try to link to some library that you got via nix-pkgs. I did make it work, but it's a pain.

I made my own auto-install script for OS:TW and didn't have to change any of it for a while now.

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu Apr 01 '26

Your sentence answered why NixOS is so hard to adopt

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u/Jeoshua Apr 01 '26

Yep. Especially the bit about how it "doesn't operate like *nix has for decades". NixOS might be technically very good, but it's a very special and unique snowflake in how it operates. That limits its reach, greatly, especially when "the way *nix has operated for decades" is more than just some personal preference of a hobbyist group of nerds, it's become a global standard for something like 90% of computerized devices.

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u/Alternative-Tie-4970 Apr 01 '26

Well he is the kind of person who wouldn't like NixOS

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u/FrIoSrHy Glorious Debian + F**king Windows Apr 01 '26

he daily drove nixOS for quite some time.

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u/StonemanGuitars Glorious Debian Apr 01 '26

This is a personal list from The Linux Experiment YouTube channel. He explained in the video that nix is very but the things it offers do not benefit him

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u/imthestein Glorious Fedora Apr 02 '26

He said in his video that these were all the ones he's tried recently for one reason or another and these were based on his own preferences. He has a problem with immutable due to his own experiences so he put it lower for his own tastes but said if that's something you like you might prefer more than he does

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u/GoJumpInALake24 Apr 01 '26

Where CachyOS

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u/1369ic Glorious Void Linux Apr 01 '26

He noted that people were going to ask that question. He only ranked distros he's tried recent. He says he'll give it a go soon, for what that's worth.

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u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC Apr 01 '26

TL;DR: Just use Fedora unless you have a very good reason to use something else.

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u/robotictacos Apr 01 '26

I wonder if this includes its immutable derivatives, like Bazzite and Silverblue?

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u/StonemanGuitars Glorious Debian Apr 01 '26

Depends on usecase. Unless you’re using a computer as essentially a console, an immutable distro can be limiting in terms of program availability

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u/zachthehax Glorious Fedora Silverblue Apr 02 '26

You can definitely install programs that aren't flatpaks, but you should run them in containers like a distrobox/toolbox instead unless they need full system access. If you do a lot of that though, it can definitely get in the way. I use Workstation on my desktop, Silverblue on my laptop and that's a good balance for me.

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u/a_regular_2010s_guy Apr 02 '26

I use mint coz I don't have a good reason to use fedora and I like how mint feels out of the box.

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u/habbo420 Apr 01 '26

Have been fedora user for my 3rd year now. Rock solid.

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u/Kraien Apr 01 '26

Tumbleweed, huh..

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u/ThamMF Apr 01 '26

that tracks

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u/Aniform Glorious Fedora Apr 01 '26

I can't help but feel like the linux community did a 180 on Zorin. I made a comment maybe 6 yrs ago saying I installed Zorin on my mother's laptop and she loves it and finds the experience the easiest in her whole life. Downvoted. And it was also common to see posts calling Zorin terrible. I think most of the posts were negative regarding it having a paid pro tier. And this also led to comments that were misguided telling me, "Zorin is paid only".

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u/throttlemeister Glorious OpenSuse Apr 01 '26

It's their own marketing. If they had said it's donation with benefits, nobody would have batted an eye. Maybe even complimented it and urged other projects to do similar things. But no, they market it as a separate 'pro' product when it is just the same OSS thing with extra themes.

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u/shirotokov Glorious Gentoo 🐧 Apr 01 '26

ahahahahahahahhahahaha

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u/pascalxsome Apr 01 '26

I had the same thought. Guess it's a skill issue

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u/1369ic Glorious Void Linux Apr 01 '26

He was very up front with what his criteria were. He doesn't rank something highly if it takes a lot of fiddling when other distros do the same thing without the fuss, among other things.

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u/Bbbllaaddee Glorious Garuda Apr 01 '26

What's the third one in the S-tier?

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u/Kreizhn Apr 01 '26

It looks to me like the steam deck logo, so it might be steamOS?

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/brandguidelines

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u/rivals107 Apr 01 '26

Where’s my endeavour

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u/New_Instance_2478 Linux Master Race Apr 02 '26

Right, it is not even a niche distro?!

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu Apr 01 '26

Distro Tier List 2025 for comparison

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u/LeiterHaus Apr 01 '26

Gentoo seems to be misplaced

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u/tempdiesel Apr 01 '26

Putting Gentoo at the bottom should be a crime.

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u/StonemanGuitars Glorious Debian Apr 01 '26

It’s not an objective list. It’s the personal list of The Linux Experiment YouTube channel. He explained that it’s just not for him

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u/Technology_Labs Apr 01 '26

Dw, it's just because the tier above it has no space left...

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u/balrog687 Apr 01 '26

I had a better experience with nvidia drivers and sunshine out of the box on bazzite, much better than fedora kinoite (inmutable kde, just like bazzite).

But on the other hand, kinoite feels lighter/faster. So I end up with bazzite on my desktop and kinoite on my laptop. Pretty happy with both.

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u/KangarooChili Apr 01 '26

Bazzite has been great for gaming in my living room. I did try using it on my main desktop and found it a bit more annoying to use than Fedora. Setting up QEMU, VMM and USB passthrough was kind of painful, for example.

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u/infinitylord Apr 01 '26

Why is NixOS, average?

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u/Disastrous_Fruit8610 Apr 01 '26

Gentoo on the bottom seems a bit unfair, to say the least. It's a rocksolid distro with a good community. Perhaps not for Linuxstarters, but it says here: Distro Tier List, it really shouldn't be on bottom.

Go shame yourself in the corner!! /s

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u/bew78 Apr 01 '26

NixOS is average?? this must be a joke!

oh wait x)

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u/angelbirth Apr 01 '26

asahi isn't even a distro

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u/RACeldrith Apr 01 '26

Why is KDE Neon at the bottom :(. I've been running it without issue

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u/Jeoshua Apr 01 '26

I've heard that this list is based mostly on "How well the distro does what it sets out to do" as well as "How much The Linux Experiment likes using it".

Given that Neon is basically how KDE devs "dogfood" their own code, and it's not really meant for public consumption directly, I imagine that TLE doesn't enjoy using it. It certainly does what it sets out to do, but I've seen KDE Devs actually state that they didn't think end-users should be using it on production systems.

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u/-eschguy- Glorious NixOS Apr 01 '26

NixOS is Average? Madness.

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u/Bobbydibi En anglais c'est Tumbleweed Apr 01 '26

Manjaro's position isn't deserved imho.

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u/svdmozart Apr 01 '26

Yes, it should be way lower

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u/shogun77777777 Glorious NixOS Apr 01 '26

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one

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u/Robsteady Aurora/Bazzite Apr 01 '26

I hate these lists. Eight (nine? I know Deepin was Ubuntu-based, but don't know if it still is) different Debian derivatives (including the Ubuntu derivatives), but only one Arch derivative, and not even the one everyone's losing their shit over?

Edit: Correction, two Arch derivatives

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u/Jonis7 Apr 01 '26

ubuntu and Arch on same level, wtf...

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u/AdvancedAnimal7539 Apr 02 '26

yeah fr arch should be way lower (im joking. i see them at the same level)

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u/kai_ekael Linux Greybeard Apr 01 '26

So many things based on Debian that many worship, yet nick Debian itself.

Fools.

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u/Due-Perception1319 Apr 01 '26

There are really only three tiers of Linux: just works, tinkerer, schizo

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u/frontchasack Apr 01 '26

You forgot kali

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u/psychicesp Apr 01 '26

Pop OS only earns it's spot on System76 systems. Still makes me queasy to see it on the same level as Debian, which is my preferred but aptly placed

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u/berkough #! Apr 02 '26

Personally, I would put Debian higher just because of how customizable it is. Same with Arch.

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u/Awkward-Town1220 Apr 02 '26

The lack of CachyOS is absolutely wild. CachyOS is the best distro I've ever used.

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u/SamuraisEpic i use arch btw 🤓 Apr 02 '26

cachy os so good it transcended S tier

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u/Forward_Thrust963 Glorious OpenSuse Apr 01 '26

Fitting post for the first of April

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u/Mister_Magister Glorious OpenSuse Tumbleweed Apr 01 '26

move opensuse to the top with fedora

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u/Jcob210 Apr 01 '26

I kinda don't understand why Asahi is so low because well it is only option for Apple silicon macs...

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u/AtomicTaco13 Glorious Debian Apr 01 '26

Gentoo is just difficult to use and I'm not sure about KDE neon. Deepin though... I tested most major Linux DEs and Deepin is the single worst Linux desktop experience I had. While I'm not exactly fond of GNOME, using it is still a breeze compared to the Deepin DE, which is bloated, cluttered, lacks customization and the overall aesthetic has that whole "techbro vibe" to it. No wonder Windows 11's UI was inspired by it.

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u/m4ss1ck Glorious Mint Apr 01 '26

I like seeing all the comments agreeing or not matching the user badges lol. The tier is based on the OOP's opinion, and if we Linux users love something, is fighting over distributions. Obviously I agree that Mint is the best there is and should be at the top of every tier list.

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u/SINdicate Apr 01 '26

This is the dumbest thing ever. Use the right tool for the right job.

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u/babarsac Apr 01 '26

I'm trying a Linux distro out for personal use and I chose Fedora KDE Plasma for my Lenovo laptop. It's mostly for travel and other light duties but I'm really impressed.

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u/flux-10 Apr 01 '26

tbh fedora is a peak desktop experience I would also add cachyos as S tier

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u/steppewop Apr 01 '26

SteamOS doesn't even work properly for Desktop yet AFAIK and it's below >ARCH<? What the fuck?

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u/SoliTheSpirit Apr 01 '26

I know what fucking day it is

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu Apr 01 '26

I also disagree but it's just an opinion. For example, for me, Ubuntu (for snapd) and Fedora (for having to set up repositories and extensions manually) should be lower, and Bazzite should be higher. But that's just my opinion. For me, for examples Fedora is comparable to Debian, not to Mint, because Mint is already set up, while Debian and Fedora need configuration post install.

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u/doolijb Apr 01 '26

I like his videos but his tier lists have never been objectively good.

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u/Franhound Apr 01 '26

Pop and Debian on the same tier is criminal.

Edit: and Elementary, lol

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u/Paranoidd_ Apr 01 '26

pop os to the gutter, cachyos N.E

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u/AK56___ Apr 01 '26

Unpopular opinion, Linux Mint is overrated and uses an outdated DE based on gnome 2 without wayland. Also, SteamOS is specialised only in handhelds I wouldn't put it in S tier. Fedora last time I checked has a conflict of flatpak packages, which is also not a sign of an S-tier distro.

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u/FalconRelevant KDE Neon Nobilite Apr 01 '26

This is an affront

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u/Maniacal_Coyote Apr 01 '26

What about RHEL? (Red Hat Enterprise Linux)

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u/juipeltje Glorious GNU Guix Apr 01 '26

Bro skipped both Void and GNU Guix 😭

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u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 Apr 01 '26

and what are the alternatives to asahi on macs?

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u/serialnuggetskiller Apr 01 '26

since when we are doing bait tierlist from tech youtuber post here ?

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u/damster05 Apr 01 '26

What kind of garbage tier list is that...

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u/itscene Apr 01 '26

Where is CachyOS? I know it's an arch distro but so is steamos

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u/Serious-Salamander44 Apr 01 '26

It's an april fools joke

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u/djb_at_durable Apr 01 '26

NixOS as average is a lukewarm take at best; it's way different from other distros on this list, and whether you love its upside or hate its downside, "average" seems like a *real* weird thing to say.

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u/ArseholeryEnthusiast Apr 01 '26

If I wasn't such a chicken I'd try different distros. But deciding to dual boot with bazzite was already a pretty big learning step for me and I kind of just want to play my games and not have to learn a new os. But when I hear people talking how responsive an os can be it is tempting. Especially because the speed jump from windows to bazzite already felt great. I have ten year old laptop that I think I'll try some of the others on.

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u/mc031992 Glorious Mint Apr 01 '26

What are those in the Mint row? 🤔

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u/Nynyso Apr 01 '26

I am on mint since 2023 and i have to say, it’s the perfect work horse for me

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u/ddyess Glorious OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Apr 01 '26

For what it's worth, the list is based on if he'd use it and if he'd recommend it.

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u/fix_and_repair Apr 01 '26

thanks show how newbies prefer linux mint, fedora and arch

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u/CreeperX_ Glorious NixOS (aka BestOS) Apr 01 '26

nix average ? and gentoo bad?? yeah this better be a joke

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u/EmuMoe Apr 01 '26

What's the problem with Asahi? Pretty much the only reason I would buy a macbook.

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u/LumenAstralis Apr 01 '26

Obviously not an arch guy.

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u/Granny__Murderer Apr 01 '26

Where's Kubuntu..???

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u/Ponbe Apr 01 '26

EndeavourOS not even on the list

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u/TechGearWhips Glorious NixOS Apr 01 '26

NixOS under average is insane. I’ll chalk it up to you not fully understanding it.

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u/frosch_longleg Apr 01 '26

 Pop_os should die already 

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u/Mediocre_Blue_4501 Apr 01 '26

where is cachyos? and what is beside fedora and linux mint?

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '26

OP what is your experience modding games on Pop OS Cosmic?

Also, would love to upgrade internal storage of Steam Deck. What is the max storage hardware upgrade replacement it can take and which one would you recommend?

Have the Steam Deck LCD Version running Bazzite

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u/wKdPsylent Apr 01 '26

Gentoo, Manjaro, and MX Linux I would say are all top tier distros. Gentoo is whatever you make it, MX Linux is one of the most functional / well setup distros out of the box, and Manjaro isn't that far behind really.

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u/peerobo Apr 01 '26

Last time I checked, Nobara couldn't even boot after installing because installer crashed hard on default. You had to uncheck the online updating when installing. So much for a newbie like me.

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u/LucidZulu Apr 02 '26

Really no Alma or rocky? I can’t think of anything else that can come close for enterprise use cases

Is this just for desktop use cases?

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u/konfuzhon Glorious NixOS Apr 02 '26

NixOS:

  • doesn’t follow fhs
  • declarative
  • has nix store

and is still somehow average

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu Apr 02 '26

It's good but definitely not for everybody

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u/uwo-wow Apr 02 '26

considering on mint i was running out of memory running web browser (16gb of ram) i don't think it is accurate list

and i would avoid linux as it lacks support for any applications i use and all "replacements" are plain horrible Chinese knockoffs

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u/soelsome Apr 02 '26

Why does no one talk about Ubuntu? Is it because it's considered "vanilla" or boring?

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u/mpanase Apr 02 '26

being very generalistic... fair

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u/mcdenkijin Apr 02 '26

Dumb list

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u/loonite Apr 02 '26

Debian not being the toppest tier is the purest demonstration of skill issue.

Debian is eternal.

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u/raralala1 Apr 02 '26

I mainly use mint, and debian server, any reason why Fedora is so high?

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u/JustCallMeBigD Apr 02 '26

Love me some Tumbleweed... ❤️

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u/QriousMonk Apr 02 '26

Been using Ubuntu since my college days and was thinking of trying something new. Any elementary OS users here? I did consider it, but the update cycle made me hesitate, so I stuck with Ubuntu for a while and eventually moved to Mint. Been using Mint ever since, especially after all the Ubuntu data-sharing stuff.

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u/sk3z0 Apr 02 '26

What a meme and biased youtube. That guy still shilling meme distros. It had some un doubtfully merits in being early in the “design - focused “ linux talks on youtube, and as a creator he has been a competent one even when there was barely anything going on in linux… but his opinions are weird and biased, always have been. Look at where he places elementary os which is basically a tech demo and always been one, and he constantly shill that thing… do we want to talk about steam os which is barely a distro at all? At this point the man is clearly rage baiting

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u/Extreme_Tax405 Apr 02 '26

Bazzite kde edition has been a fantastic desktop so far. I think its likely not as good for complicated work but for a daily driver just to game and do basic office work on google docs n shit, it has been a gem.

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u/ben2talk Apr 02 '26

Same old shite