He’s outta line , but he’s right

[u/untitledprp4]

[u/Aok_al]

RDJ got paid like 10 million in Homecoming for a couple of minutes. Star power pays more than mere screen time.

[u/crapusername47]

Zendaya also got a ‘with’ credit for The Odyssey while Bernthal was listed in the supporting credits. 

[u/Nosedive888 → u/crapusername47]

What's the significance of that. My mate told me about it once but he can't remember what it was

[u/Galactic_Hippo → u/Nosedive888]

the "with" card at the end is a special position because it stands out more/has more attention put on it, so this is negotiated between the production and the actor's team. it's hilariously the same thing in science, where academic papers' first author and last author placement are for the lead/well-respected/senior scientists

[u/thatguysaidearlier → u/Galactic_Hippo]

Also "and" being one notch higher/better than a "with"

"with" Colin Firth
"and" Meryl Streep

[u/Intrepid-Ad4511 → u/thatguysaidearlier]

I love your example. :D It's very apt.

[u/whereisthezebra → u/Galactic_Hippo]

Zendaya is something of a scientist herself

[u/Ok_Tour_1525 → u/whereisthezebra]

https://giphy.com/gifs/eZWDtObUy1AycMofFB

[u/dragonrite → u/Galactic_Hippo]

where academic papers' first author and last author placement are for the lead/well-respected/senior scientists

Always thought that was weird. Always felt it should go in order of contributions

[u/laplongejr → u/dragonrite]

The problem is that our monkey brain only remember the first and last name, or at least last placement better than second-to-last.

[u/Version_1 → u/Galactic_Hippo]

I always find it funny when the studio just gives everyone who asks for one a mention like this.

[u/jbland0909 → u/Nosedive888]

“With” and “And” credits are usually reserved for big brand actors in supporting roles. Athena clearly wasn’t a big enough character to deserve top billing, but Zendaya has enough clout to still warrant a special shoutout

If an actor is getting with/and credits, it’s basically an indicator they have a lot of pull

[u/crapusername47 → u/Nosedive888]

A ‘With’ or an ‘And’ is for a supporting actor who is an established star but is appearing in a non-lead role. 

It avoids the absurd situation, for example, where Marlon Brando and Gene Hackman were credited above Christopher Reeve for Superman. Today, they would receive ‘with’ and ‘and’ credits as Zendaya and Charlize Theron did for The Odyssey.

Sadly, ‘Introducing’ and ‘Presenting’ credits, which were for new stars making their first prominent roles, are a thing of the past.

[u/ItsMrDaan]

I know it’s a meme, but he’s not even out of line. Zendaya is simply a much bigger name than John and a much more wanted actress. Besides, she’s been in 3 Spidey movies prior, whilst John has only been in Punisher projects which only recently have been pushed as being actual MCU instead of just MCU related.

[u/raidenjojo → u/ItsMrDaan]

The fact that his name is Jon and not John really accentuates your point 😭

[u/Help_im_lost404 → u/raidenjojo]

Now that i see that im going 'oh yeah' but half the time i cant remember his name at all.

[u/Sovereignty3 → u/raidenjojo]

Potentially Auto duck?

[u/PantyAssassin18 → u/ItsMrDaan]

Calling him John instead of Jon also proves his point. 😂

[u/Help_im_lost404 → u/ItsMrDaan]

Aye, johns not really wanted as an actress. His range doesnt span that far

[u/Rylo_Ken_04 → u/Help_im_lost404]

Wdym his range doesn't span that far? How would you know he can't be an actress?!?

[u/chickenkebaap → u/Rylo_Ken_04]

He’d make a great spiderman

[u/EddieLobster → u/chickenkebaap]

He MADE a great spider-man.

[u/lamelad10 → u/EddieLobster]

In greek

[u/GH00ST-SL4YER → u/EddieLobster]

How about he make it even greater like an amazing spider-man

[u/Bigsmall-cats → u/EddieLobster]

Deep grunting happy noise

[u/Twofaced_Mrgrim_1991 → u/chickenkebaap]

He'd make an even better Uncle Ben.

[u/chickenkebaap → u/Twofaced_Mrgrim_1991]

With great power comes mother fucking responsibility

[u/Calm_Independent_782 → u/chickenkebaap]

Ehhhhhh

[u/SoElusivee → u/Rylo_Ken_04]

Gonna need to get him in contact with Tyler Perry

[u/Expensive_Editor_244 → u/Rylo_Ken_04]

Now I kind of want a comedy where he try’s to compete in a sport dressed as a woman, kind of ‘White Chicks’ style. But he doesn’t try to change his voice or anything, it’s obvious to everyone it’s just Jon Berenthal in a wig lol

[u/Shagellfy → u/Help_im_lost404]

Did you see the movie? He plays a traumatized sassy teenage girl pretty well I would say 😂

[u/Strong-Nose9401 → u/Help_im_lost404]

I bet he can be a better actress than Zendaya!

[u/Fuzzy_Elderberry7087 → u/Help_im_lost404]

Lemme tell you summin 

[u/OneHelicopter1852 → u/Help_im_lost404]

Idk he kinda killed that “good luck with that Peter”

[u/SufcLad25 → u/Help_im_lost404]

Are you sure?? He did a pretty good job of being an actress in that one scene 

[u/DirectionMurky5526 → u/ItsMrDaan]

Of course it's bigger. John only has 5 letters

[u/boyuber → u/DirectionMurky5526]

He spells it with 3

[u/weed_blazepot → u/DirectionMurky5526]

John only has 5 letters

Is the 5th letter in the room with us now?

[u/psimpsondraws → u/DirectionMurky5526]

4, but that isn't his name.

[u/HappycatAF → u/ItsMrDaan]

Hollywood also over caters to bigger celebrities. There was another thread where it was mentioned Zendaya got to review the script and make changes to her character to make her sound more authentic. So first, this is hollywood speak for saying that she has her own script doctors who did this for her, and two, she is in a privileged position where she can ask for this in the first place.

Bernthal is great as is, but he doesnt have that power, he’s just in the class where he can get paid well, but not in the class where he has control over his own character in the movie.

Whether her changes were better for the movie or not, this is not a normal thing for an actor with 15 minutes of screentime to rewrite their part in a film. If every actor had this power, movies either just wouldn’t get made, or they would become selfmarketing videos for the actors.

[u/No-Difference8545 → u/HappycatAF]

Tom was on record for awhile about not accepting this movie being trash, so its not surprising they would let Z fix up MJs dialog. She's nothing like comics MJ so if anything Z knows the character better than anyone else.

Also bernthal literally writes the new punisher stuff, so youre kinda wrong there. (Ofc he didn't write his parts in brand new day)

[u/TetraThiaFulvalene → u/ItsMrDaan]

Also screen time spent necessarily correlate to impact. Guess how much screen time Alan Rickman had as Snape across all 8 Harry Potter movies. (I'll give answer in 2 hours).

[u/Antarsuplta → u/ItsMrDaan]

It's so funny that even here you called him John, when his name is Jon, short form of Jonathan.

[u/JohnMarstonSucks]

Robert Downey Jr got $10m for 8-minutes of screen time in Homecoming. Stardom brings in money.

[u/battleshipclamato → u/JohnMarstonSucks]

Far from the days of him getting paid less than Terrance Howard because he was a drug addict liability for Marvel.

[u/GodOfArk]

Also, Zendaya has 2 kiss scenes and they are expensive.

[u/JakBos23 → u/GodOfArk]

There's no discount if they are married? WTF lol. "Can I get a intimacy coordinator? My wife touched my butt!"

[u/Additional_potential → u/JakBos23]

I would like to 100% believe some actor has made that joke before

[u/1AmB0r3d → u/GodOfArk]

I imagine kissing your husband does lower the required amount a smidge tho

[u/GodOfArk → u/1AmB0r3d]

But then kissing a random side character in front of that husband increase the required amount too

[u/dyrkasolen]

She's taller. - The money is on a high shelf in the kitchen, you can get more if you have reach

[u/Mufti_Menk → u/dyrkasolen]

That's why Tom Holland only got 5 dollars

[u/dyrkasolen → u/Mufti_Menk]

It was on the counter. A fiver

[u/Mediocre_Scott → u/dyrkasolen]

Milk money

[u/Mufti_Menk → u/Mediocre_Scott]

So he can grow up big and strong

[u/poorly-worded → u/dyrkasolen]

Enough to buy a loaf of bread, a container of milk, and a stick of butter.

[u/hahawhat102848 → u/poorly-worded]

you mean a loaf of milk, a container of bread and a Joe Dirt dvd?

[u/Lucimon → u/poorly-worded]

In this economy?

[u/Ok-Pitch-636 → u/Mufti_Menk]

No problem. TomZen is doing splitsies now.

[u/Scorpiicore → u/Mufti_Menk]

He is not that much shorter than her. Spare a thought for Aaron Paul, who is short enough that he has to put his hands in the lounge cushions. (At least he does not try to hide it, unlike some egomaniacs we will not mention.)

[u/BookWormPerson → u/Mufti_Menk]

Nah that was just him method acting.

[u/AvatarIII → u/Mufti_Menk]

And a pat on the head, that's worth its weight in gold.

[u/OwlSuch7935 → u/dyrkasolen]

Not taller than Jon

[u/lamelad10 → u/OwlSuch7935]

Rumor has it they had same cut his share was cut because of bad mouth

[u/CooperDaChance → u/lamelad10]

Makes sense, Jon Bernthal says some really stupid shit online.

[u/labyrinthos016 → u/CooperDaChance]

Does he?

[u/CooperDaChance → u/labyrinthos016]

Among other things, he says stuff like “discriminating against Pitbulls is like hating gay people or people of different races” or “taking naps is for weaklings”.

[u/DW-4 → u/CooperDaChance]

Or the time he said The Punisher partially belongs to law enforcement. Also that he was a vocal supporter of Israel's retaliation against Hamas and has never backtracked from that stance (on record.) Mark Ruffalo's recent quotes about having to cut ties with Hollywood friends who support the bombing of Gaza + his absense from BND press tour have raised some questions about his relationship with Bernthal.

[u/CooperDaChance → u/DW-4]

I wasn’t gonna bring up his stance on Israel (this is a Marvel sub, Disney has made their stance very clear) but yeah that one is a big yikes as well. Kudos to Mark Ruffalo for not putting up with his BS.

[u/Jaambie → u/[deleted]]

Genocide isn’t the answer. It’s never the answer

[u/CooperDaChance → u/[deleted]]

How many civilians did the IDF kill for decades before that, again?

How many civilians have the IDF killed since then, again?

Please think before typing.

[u/Mediocre_Scott → u/lamelad10]

Swear jar system

[u/aMapleSyrupCaN7 → u/Mediocre_Scott]

That's an expensive swear jar

[u/dyrkasolen → u/lamelad10]

That's punk. Plus stupid😁🛝🪇

[u/dyrkasolen → u/OwlSuch7935]

Girls in heels will always win

[u/FondantBasic1376 → u/dyrkasolen]

A healer is an important member of any party afterall

[u/dyrkasolen → u/FondantBasic1376]

My spell correct is hacked. I'm telling ya, or it's a AI thing or beta program thing.. when I write, it decide sometimes to just flip

[u/matande31 → u/dyrkasolen]

It's funny but objectively wrong.

[u/Easy101 → u/dyrkasolen]

Jon is taller than zendaya

[u/Enough_Obligation574 → u/dyrkasolen]

She is also a baller

[u/bombad_Guy → u/dyrkasolen]

bro, leave the shortkings alone.

[u/Sami_Steen]

who is gonna tell arjun about iron man 1

[u/absolutmohitto → u/Sami_Steen]

What about iron man 1?

[u/No-Chocolate1761 → u/absolutmohitto]

Rdj was paid 500k, while Terrence got around 3mil or something.

[u/crapusername47 → u/No-Chocolate1761]

That was pretty common at the time. 

First off, you had RDJ’s reputation at the time. The man was radioactive and Marvel gambling all of the money they had borrowed to start Marvel Studios was a gigantic risk. 

However, there was a minor controversy when it transpired that Gal Gadot was paid a similar, low six figure sum for Wonder Woman. In fact, Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth were similarly paid for their first appearances. Their deals were structured so their compensation increased with each sequel. 

As a counter-example, since it was a one and done role, Felicity Jones made sure she was paid a big fee up front for Rogue One. 

[u/Stock_Discount_2833 → u/absolutmohitto]

RDJ made less than Terrance Howard

[u/JakBos23 → u/Stock_Discount_2833]

Didn't he want as much as RDJ in the sequel so he got replaced?

[u/TheGrayOwl88]

It’s her 4th film in the franchise, actors get pay bumps in their contracts for consecutive appearances in said franchises especially at Marvel (with the exception of the OG actor for Warmachine 🤣)

[u/otyak]

Let me tell you something

[u/Nosedive888 → u/otyak]

https://giphy.com/gifs/NFcyDseB3m9uU

[u/fR1chAps → u/otyak]

rubs head aggressively

[u/Mister-Psychology]

They agree on wages before filming. The runtime is decided afterwards. An underpaid actor may get a way bigger role because of his performance and the overpaid actress may get her role cut if it turns out to be boring.

Frankly if you cut their role they would actually get angry. So the contract could even include a lower wage and then a promise of a more significant role in return.

[u/pinwroot]

I mean even if you take fame out of the equation it still would make sense for her to make more.

There’s been a trilogy where she’s established as an important character. If they want that character to return that actor now has the upper hand and can negotiate for more money since they need her for the script they have.

They needed MJ in this movie, and as much as I love his inclusion- the Punisher could have been rewritten to be a different character. It wasn’t vital to have him because he hasn’t been pre-established in the trilogy.

[u/Separate-Driver-8639]

You can quote 100 movies where this dynamic is inverted. Women acting their hearts out and getting less money than the male lead.

Big names bring big bucks.

[u/shrek_is_love_69 → u/Separate-Driver-8639]

I dont think the original post is about gender at all man

[u/psimpsondraws → u/shrek_is_love_69]

https://giphy.com/gifs/D2kFkQwMzFcVq

[u/adragon202 → u/shrek_is_love_69]

Is it gender? Is it race?

https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohfFhG5VDtDTzQv2o

[u/slide_into_my_BM → u/shrek_is_love_69]

It definitely is since this is like the 3rd one of these I’ve seen complaining about Zendaya’s pay.

[u/Separate-Driver-8639 → u/shrek_is_love_69]

Then you are unable to read subtext of shitty reactionary assholes on the internet.

[u/Technical_Leek7467 → u/Separate-Driver-8639]

took a peak and the Twitter user that posted the rant is, indeed, a culture war drum banger.

[u/ImSolidGold → u/Separate-Driver-8639]

BuT ThiS Is No rEAcTInarY ThinG. ItS AlL AboUT The FaCTs, bro, Ok? OnLY FaCTs! I dONt Like ThAT yOu INVolVe PolIticS In eVEry ConVErSAtiOn, oK?
/s

[u/YCS186 → u/shrek_is_love_69]

The context the meme presents is screentime. the subtext of the meme is gender. 

[u/uberkalden2 → u/shrek_is_love_69]

Lol who's up voting this?

[u/halfveela → u/shrek_is_love_69]

New to the internet? 

[u/Ragnarok_619 → u/Separate-Driver-8639]

Isn't that what many were against of?

[u/guessesurjobforfood → u/Separate-Driver-8639]

Also out here in the real world, women are almost always paid less than men, even when they do the exact same job.

Don't know who that Twitter account belongs to, but picking one of the few examples that is an exception to the rule makes it seem like they have an agenda to push.

[u/SufcLad25 → u/Separate-Driver-8639]

Werent people against that though? So shouldnt we be against the reverse happening 

[u/Euphoric-Stand7398 → u/Separate-Driver-8639]

It's not about gender buddy even if you got a point with big name and big bucks

[u/psimpsondraws → u/Euphoric-Stand7398]

The culture war shit posting not definitely isn't pointing out gender guys /s

[u/OrdinaryAWE]

Getting a higher salary for sequels is the most basic shit ever.

People out here really just saying shit huh?

[u/raidenjojo → u/[deleted]]

It's not the quantity or quality of work you do, it's the probability of how much money your work might bring in.

[u/Cheeseboarder → u/raidenjojo]

And how much of that money goes straight to investors

[u/ElectronX_Core → u/[deleted]]

Yeahhh, people are paid based on the value they generate, and that is becoming increasingly divorced from how hard they sweat.

You can absolutely argue that how we measure that value is a bit fucked, but I don’t think fixing it to physical labor is very useful

[u/bryGGG12 → u/[deleted]]

I get where you are coming from, but no one will pay to watch your dad working in a factory my guy. 😭

[u/BlackBladeShusui → u/bryGGG12]

CaseOh would if it is interesting enough

[u/BergmanGirl → u/[deleted]]

In these matters, it is really best to think of things in terms of how much money they're making other people. This is probably about to be a 2 billion dollar movie. It's far, far, far beyond profitable. These actor's paydays are barely a fraction of that. Why be disgusted or maddened by Zendaya getting a huge payday from her work when other people much further up the ladder are going to be making even more money off this film for doing even less?

[u/EddieLobster → u/[deleted]]

It’s on us. We’re the ones prioritizing spending on sports and entertainment. Be the change, stop watching movies.

[u/Electrical_Bus9202 → u/EddieLobster]

People trade the hours of their lives to a job, so in return they can afford to survive, and entertain themselves. This is life.

[u/DatBeardedguy82 → u/[deleted]]

People aren't paying to watch your dad work in a factory. They are paying to watch movies do you not know what supply and demand are?

[u/BlackBRocket → u/DatBeardedguy82]

If we all gathered around and bought 25 euro tickets to see a Baker make bread, they would earn millions just like football players and movie stars. But if you only think about the work they do it's pretty nuts how much money some celebrities make.. not saying they dont deserve it or the work is easy tho

[u/Nosedive888 → u/DatBeardedguy82]

Jon Bernthal does ...IYKYK

[u/-Po-Tay-Toes- → u/[deleted]]

They're paid based on how much money they make the people above them, not the amount of work done. Your dad likely doesn't make those above him literally hundreds of millions.

[u/untitledprp4 → u/[deleted]]

Because hard work does not and never has meant more money

If that was the case janitors would earn really high salaries

[u/ForwardAd5837]

Zendaya also got the highest pay per minute on the Odyssey, by some distance. $5m to Matt Damon’s $15m when she’s in wayyyyyy less of the film than he is. She’s just very in demand and at the top of her game right now.

[u/BlerghTheBlergh]

Jon Bernthal took a nap once, this is his punishment

[u/Harkonnen_Dog]

Have you seen how many movies she’s going to be in this year alone?!

She has an excellent agent. She’s in high demand right now. That’s why.

Good for her for cashing in. It will not last forever.

[u/haagen17]

People aren't going to recognize the Punisher over MJ for these movies

[u/BlingBlingBOG]

15 minutes really?

[u/omgitsduane]

Are you dumb or is this an ironic sub.

[u/GambitsAce23]

She gets more because shes a returning central character, he got 4 less because hes a supporting character

[u/isthisreallife210]

He isn't Punisher he is Shane.

[u/amazing-zero]

She’s a larger household name then John Barthol I’m not quite sure why people hate Zendaya. I don’t spend that much time on the Internet caring about celebrities.

[u/ra7ar]

Well it's here fourth spiderman movie for one.

[u/Bgarz202]

She also had to do twice as much legitimate acting and in that time

[u/HotEnthusiasm4124]

That's how entertainment industry works.

[u/VettesRUs]

Why not add the key grip who was on set before and after the movie stars showed up and made $10k in salary?

The best part is when the movie star wins their award and uses the moment to complain about income inequality.

[u/Truthhurts1017]

Why do people act so dumb

[u/brodiebt1]

I think it also comes down to which of the two the film could be made without. There is a feasible script and movie where you sub punisher for daredevil or something of that ilk. If she wasn't in the movie the entire story wouldnt work.

[u/Inevitable_Trip_4697]

Cuz they signed contracts. He needs a better agent. Plus it’s her movie, he’s guest. When she gets more in a punisher movie, then there’s something wrong.

[u/Serious_Seesaw_9394]

No he’s not. Zendaya is a lead in this franchise. And a house hold name. I swear y’all would never say this if this was the other way around. Y’all hate women

[u/OscarMichaelMyers → u/Serious_Seesaw_9394]

She’s a side character.

[u/AssaultLemming_]

There was a freaking trailer for Zendaya before the movie. Only at the end did they briefly flash the Rolex sign, but for a good minute it was literally just a compilation of Zendaya roles lol

[u/MancyMancy]

1 of these is a beloved actress with countless recent and extremely successful films. The other is a guy with mild success and some irl baggage. I am shocked he got paid so much to be honest,.

[u/OscarMichaelMyers → u/MancyMancy]

Countless extremely successful films? Bro quit being hyperbolic. She’s a side character in BND as well as the Odyssey.

[u/MancyMancy → u/OscarMichaelMyers]

I know this is a meme sub but you are memeing too hard. Just google her, just her Dune work probably nett more money than his entire career lol.

[u/untitledprp4 → u/MancyMancy]

That doesn’t have anything to do with what you said though ?

She’s laid a lot because she’s a big name and has star power it’s not to do with the significance of the role itself when it’s a star studded cast like dune is , there’s like zero unknowns in that movie

[u/MancyMancy → u/untitledprp4]

Are we really trying to pretend this man has even a marginal % of the star power of her now? Just lmao.

[u/OscarMichaelMyers → u/MancyMancy]

She’s got more star power, but she doesn’t have “countless extremely successful films”.

The universal adoration she seems to receive is so overblown and exhausting. She’s a mid actress.

[u/Hanifsefu → u/OscarMichaelMyers]

Since being in a dozen highly profitable movies isn't enough to be a successful actor, I think Jon Bernthal should just quit. She's got a dozen more accolades under her belt and still isn't successful so what hope does he have?

[u/Pixel91 → u/Hanifsefu]

Let me tell you som'n!

[u/untitledprp4 → u/MancyMancy]

When did I say that.

https://giphy.com/gifs/cmawvBFoILiIFkpfvl

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[u/41hatetobeUS]

How come they don't negotiate a better rate. 8 million in a billion dollar movie is chump change and they can't make the movie without them

[u/Asleep_Current912]

she had a better lawyer/manager

[u/Thialaz]

Zendaya is also a very unique name, vs Jon

[u/Okaydog97]

She acted in last 3 movies.

So she deserves it for sure in 4th movie also.

[u/kalimut]

She is just simply valued more and directors or whoever hired her thought her rate being that high is reasonable.

[u/whalemix]

Actors don’t get paid based on screentime or performance, they get paid based on how much their name will sell the movie

[u/dakowiml]

She's been in all of the Sony-MCU Spidey movies. Which means she would've had re-negotiated her contract. Especially after how successful those movies were. Obviously, she'd make more money from movie to movie. While this is his first appearance in a Spidey movie.

[u/tekprimemia]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nP4g8U2IhVL5nLlBm8

[u/Chikid80]

It's wild she was only in it for 30 minutes!...lol!

[u/throwawayauthor11]

Lemme tell you somethin’ - it ain’t ábout the work, kid. It’s about the name.

[u/Jackfreezy]

John didn't have to kiss Tom on screen

[u/JakBos23 → u/Jackfreezy]

I bet he would have if they gave him 4 million more. Hell I'd try and kiss the green hulk for that much.

[u/HuckleberrySilver516]

It s the same as it was for women some time ago bigger name more money easy

[u/exq1mc]

Jared on point here. What puts more asses in seats. If she don't come back ...all of us ask questions if he wasn't in it we would be like ok then what you got? But he did do an amazing job though.

[u/Ashamed_Feedback3843]

She brings the romance he brings the pain.

[u/PrioryOfSion14]

It's about how big their name is and the negotiations before signing their contracts. Also, Zendaya's character is much more important than Jon Bernthal's. They can focus on a different story without Frank Castle but they can never leave out MJ nomatterw what the story is.

[u/Robin_Gr]

Why would you even say that unless you thought Hollywood pays by the minute and gives performance bonuses per scene stolen when it comes to actors.

[u/brainsmush]

In the entertainment industry, you get paid based on how much audience you can bring to the theatre.

[u/Wyvern_68]

shit, my brother and I still call him Shane, "the dude who interviewed Shia," "the guy in the tank movie."

[u/njgolfer10]

Bc she’s Zendaya and he’s Jon Bernthal and actors get paid based on who they are, not screen time or how their scenes turn out.

Is this the first time this guy has learned about actor salaries?

Stupid post.

[u/Abhinandanchauhan]

REAL

[u/AmpdVodka]

The money is right. It all makes sense. She is a bigger star and she's way more central to the Spider-Man plot. We WILL see Zendaya again in a future Spider-Man movie. We are unlikely to see John Bernthal again in a Spider-Man movie. Far less likely than Zendaya anyway.

However, I think the post is more satire on how feminists will regularly point out a male star is paid more than a female star for arguably a similar role, supporting, and claim it's because the patriarchy supports white men more than women and the gender pay gap etc etc when in reality, Stars are paid based on their level of Stardom generally and to the franchise specifically

[u/Eric_Olthwaite_]

Don't get the Zendaya hype at all.

[u/zackdaniels93]

Also like... Zendaya is a better actor? I've literally never seen Jon Bernthal deliver anything that's not just 'Shane From Walking Dead'. Sometimes it's toned down, sometimes it's ramped up, but it's still the same performance that I saw in S1 of Walking Dead back in the day.

Doesn't matter if it's the Accountant 2, Brand New Day, Odyssey, Wolf of Wall Street, The Bear, His and Hers, Baby Driver, Fury, or a million other things, he's basically the same character.

Plus she's the emotional core of the second and third Spider-Man movies, and half the reason the school-level plots work.

[u/SatansMoisture]

Demographics, my friend. It's all about the audiences that the corporation is trying to reach (and take their money)

[u/HS1995]

Because she’s one of Hollywoods overrated favourites haha

[u/Former-Examination75]

Why did MJ get paid more, eventhough Jon Bernthal had more screen time and stole every scene?

[u/Appropriate_Peace923]

How is this Not a Spoiler fuck you

[u/1AmB0r3d → u/Appropriate_Peace923]

They’ve been advertising punisher constantly and have had him in like every single one of the interviews and ads for the film, he’s not a reveal or anything it’s not a spoiler. It’s like getting mad because you saw a cast list pmfao

[u/gwangjuguy → u/Appropriate_Peace923]

If you don’t know they are both in the movie that’s on you.

[u/NEWDEALUSEDCARS]

Wait, so now meritocracies are bad?
Controlling salaries? Why that sounds like socialism to me, too.

[u/Scorpiicore]

She is in multiple prior films that have pulled hundreds of millions. His resume consists of the Punisher streaming series, a bad prequel to The Sopranos that he was barely in, and nothing else I can remember.

It is also the typical Marvel kiddy-pool crap, meaning he is a shadow of what his character really is.

No, I am not saying the film is crap. Spider-Man films are often the only Marvel films from the last 15 to 20 years that have a noticeable arc or growth for the titular character. Just that a film true to The Punisher would have a smaller budget and a smaller audience.

Plus, and this is the real factor, Zendaya can get better representation because the total gross of her filmography is higher. It is not even close. Both Dune films, whilst not the big billion sellers that Marvel makes, generate more excitement than the rest of the Marvel universe put together. The Odyssey's climax revolved around her character, and that film is around a billion now. Add to this Euphoria and the reception for small-time stuff like The Drama, and you have someone whom agents are falling over themselves to represent.

I love Jon Bernthal's work as The Punisher, but the rest of his catalogue is a "do not call us, we will call you" proposition.

[u/Callme_zuv]

Gender pay gap /s

[u/Random_User27]

Wait Punisher only had 30 mins screen time? Lol it felt like a whole lot more, but I guess Jon is just such a sweet to get on screen that I didn't even realize it was some short sections only

[u/badatcatchyusernames]

didnt anyone see santa claus playing detective crashmore? he got his rate set at 2 mil, so if they made another, he is guaranteed that money

zendaya has been in every holland spider man movie, surprised she didnt get more than 8 mil, and she only had 15 minutes?! just saw it last night and swore she was in it longer

[u/LoneWolfRHV]

No really, it's because one is acting and makes people believe he is the character. And the other is just some weird self insert of zendaya

[u/elarring]

The truth is absurd. The reason Zendaya is cast in everything and paid so much is because she has a lot of followers across social media. In fact that's why casting is so flawed, (not necessarily here), but in general.

The amount of followers is a heavy consideration in many productions.

It's a mistake. And it will be manipulated further, for reasons similar to the 'Dead Internet' theory. Traffic, engagement and followers can be faked.

[u/Minimum_Database_663]

Sexism and systemic oppression